Re: [cdt-dev] CDT and Galileo

[Doug Schaefer <cdtdoug@xxxxxxxxx>]

Yes. Unfortunately I only have enough time available to look at Wascana right now. I'll turn to the remote and cross CDT plugins probably later in the summer which need some thorough testing.

Doug

On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 12:51 PM, Anna Dushistova <adushistova@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Doug,
you can help us to improve remote CDT by submitting bugs for any
problems you discover.

Thanks!
Anna.
--
Dr. Anna Dushistova,
MontaVista Software Inc.

On Thu, 2009-05-14 at 12:36 -0400, Doug Schaefer wrote:
> Other than the SDK feature, which is not targeted at users, and remote
> CDT what features were you referring to? I'm not sure there was
> anything else on the ganymede site that we are considering removing.
>
> I'm not objecting. I'm just not supporting :). I'm not sure how many
> people use the remote CDT feature to begin with, especially given the
> quality problems I saw with it.
>
> Doug.
>
> On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 9:48 AM, Chris Recoskie <recoskie@xxxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
>         Sending this again as the mailing list seems to have eaten my
>         message...
>
>         I have no objections to Martin's proposals.
>
>         I do object to removing features from the update site so that
>         the set of features there solely corresponds to what is in the
>         C/C++ IDE package (Doug's proposal). A few reasons:
>
>

>              1. These features have been in the simultaneous release

>                 update sites already (e.g. Ganymede). Users will
>                 expect them to be there again. We have been telling
>                 users to get these components there already.

>              2. The Galileo site as far as I know is intended to be an

>                 entry point to discovering what components are out
>                 there. Without it, I doubt many people will find these
>                 features as they'll be buried on other update sites
>                 that don't get much press. There will be no other good
>                 avenue for discovery of features.

>              3. The dependency resolution issue that Martin mentioned.
>              4. People that just want the C/C++ IDE are just going to

>                 download it from the main Eclipse page anyway and are
>                 not likely to go to the Galileo update site to get
>                 anything, so catering to them seems to be a waste of
>                 energy.
>
>         Regards,
>
>         ===========================
>         Chris Recoskie
>         Team Lead, IBM CDT and RDT
>         IBM Toronto
>

>         Inactive hide details for Oberhuber,"Oberhuber, Martin"

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>                                         "Oberhuber, Martin" <Martin.Oberhuber@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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>                                         05/13/2009 05:57 AM
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>                      To
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>         "CDT General
>         developers
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>                      cc
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>                 Subject
>
>         RE: [cdt-dev]
>         CDT and Galileo
>
>
>
>
>         Hi Doug,
>
>         In my opinion, the biggest benefit of the coordinated update
>         site in the past was that dependencies got automatically
>         resolved.
>
>         The "two-step-installation" scenario that you propose for
>         "optional add-ons" to CDT is flawed in several ways:
>                       * In the Remote CDT case, I need to think about
>                         installing RSE in the first step BEFORE I get
>                         the remote launcher in the 2nd step. Who would
>                         ever think about this?
>                       * Optional pieces are hard to find. As of
>                         Galileo M7, no additional repositories are
>                         added when I install all of Galileo. I won't
>                         know the URL of the CDT repository. This may
>                         be a current p2 bug, but on the other hand, if
>                         all contributing project's repositories were
>                         added, how would I find the CDT one?
>                       * DD-DSF and RemoteCDT have been on Ganymede.
>                         Not having them in Galileo is a regression.
>                         Clients may just expect finding it there.
>         While I agree that the Galileo site is going to become large,
>         I cannot see how adding the following would lead to any more
>         confusion:
>                       * Collaboration > Mylyn Bridge: C/C++
>                         Development
>                       * Device Development > Eclipse C/C++ DSF gdb
>                         Integration
>                       * Device Development > Eclipse C/C++ Memory View
>                         Enhancements
>                       * Device Development > Eclipse C/C++ Remote
>                         Launch
>         I took the freedom of remaming some of the features (memory
>         view, DSF, Remote Launch) for the sake of being more end-user
>         consumable on a coordinated site such as Galileo. But given
>         that p2 finally sorts contributions alphabetically, I would
>         really appreciate seeing these contributions on Galileo.
>
>         I do believe that having these on Galileo is important for the
>         whole DSDP message, thus I'm CC'ing the DSDP PMC.
>
>         And BTW, as I've mentioned before I'm in favor of
>         re-introducing the Ganymede category name of "Remote Access
>         and Device Development" rather than just Device Development as
>         it's today.
>
>         Cheers,
>         --
>         Martin Oberhuber, Senior Member of Technical Staff, Wind River
>         Target Management Project Lead, DSDP PMC Member
>         http://www.eclipse.org/dsdp/tm
>
>
>
>
>
>
>         ______________________________________________________________
>         From: cdt-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
>         [mailto:cdt-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Doug
>         Schaefer
>         Sent: Montag, 11. Mai 2009 16:19
>         To: CDT General developers list.
>         Subject: Re: [cdt-dev] CDT and Galileo
>
>         Hi Martin. We're treat the Galileo repository as a spring
>         board to the C/C++ IDE. All other features for the CDT, of
>         which there are many, are available in the CDT repository. We
>         discussed removing remoteCDT from Galileo, and it was a tough
>         decision, but we've decided to treat it under the same rules
>         as the other CDT features. The Galileo repo is going to be a
>         disaster. There are way too many projects contributing to it
>         and I don't want to add to the mess.
>
>         At the end of the day, the EPP packages should be the main
>         vehicle where the user community gets their Eclipse plugins.
>         We need an Embedded Development IDE EPP package and that's
>         something I figure would come out of the DSDP Packaging
>         project if it ever gets off the ground.
>
>         Doug.
>
>         On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 9:14 AM, Oberhuber, Martin
>         <Martin.Oberhuber@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>                 PS DSF is also missing in Galileo.
>
>                 DSF and RemoteCDT missing are regressions compared to
>                 Ganymede, where they have been in...
>
>                 Cheers,
>                 --
>                 Martin Oberhuber, Senior Member of Technical Staff,
>                 Wind River
>                 Target Management Project Lead, DSDP PMC Member
>                 http://www.eclipse.org/dsdp/tm
>
>
>
>
>                 ______________________________________________________
>                 From: cdt-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
>                 [mailto:cdt-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
>                 Oberhuber, Martin
>                 Sent: Montag, 11. Mai 2009 15:10
>                 To: CDT General developers list.
>                 Subject: [cdt-dev] CDT and Galileo
>
>                 Dear CDT gurus,
>
>                 I just tried to get "All of Galileo M7" and noticed
>                 some missing from CDT:
>                               * Mylyn CDT connector missing in Galileo
>                                 -- should be in "Collaboration"
>                                 category
>                               * RemoteCDT Launcher missing in Galileo
>                                 -- should be in "Device Development"
>                                 category
>                 Or are these deliberately not in Galileo?
>
>                 Thanks,
>                 --
>                 Martin Oberhuber, Senior Member of Technical Staff,
>                 Wind River
>                 Target Management Project Lead, DSDP PMC Member
>                 http://www.eclipse.org/dsdp/tm
>
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