Re: [cdt-dev] Re: New Debug Model (was: Editor technology subgroup)

["Mikhail Khodjaiants" <mikhailk@xxxxxxx>]

Thanks Pawel. Looking forward to try it.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Pawel Piech" <pawel.piech@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: "CDT General developers list." <cdt-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 2:24 PM
Subject: Re: [cdt-dev] Re: New Debug Model (was: Editor technology subgroup)


> Hi Mikhail,
> A simple answer is GDB.  A more accurate answer is little involved:
> In our commercial product, where the base design for our prototype was 
> lifted from, we use an out-of-process back end which could run on the same 
> or different host... just like gdb.  Also the protocol that we use to 
> communicate with this back end is GDB/MI with extensions... lots of 
> extensions.
> As far as the prototype itself.  For most of its development, I used the 
> Push Down Automata example back end, which has a very simple text-based 
> protocol that carries over two socket data streams.  And relatively 
> recently, Ted took the prototype and ported it to use GDB. That said, the 
> most mature part of the prototype is the framework that the different 
> components use to communicate with each other.  The specific interfaces 
> for back-end communication, representation of threads, stack frames, etc, 
> are just place holders, even for the GDB back end implementation.
> -Pawel
>
> Mikhail Khodjaiants wrote:
> > Hi Pawel,
> >
> > A quick question. What are you using as a backend?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Mikhail Khodjaiants
> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pawel Piech" 
> > <pawel.piech@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > To: "Device Debugging developer discussions" <dsdp-dd-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>; 
> > "CDT General developers list." <cdt-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 1:35 PM
> > Subject: [cdt-dev] Re: New Debug Model (was: Editor technology subgroup)
> >
> >
> > > Hi All,
> > > I'll start off by apologizing.  I've been meaning to edit the 
> > > http://wiki.eclipse.org/index.php/DSDP/DD/DebugModel to start collecting 
> > > requirements, but it seems like such a daunting task that I ended up 
> > > putting it off week after week :-(  So rather than make up more excuses 
> > > I'll make sure that I get started on it today.  If anyone already has a 
> > > set of requirements written up, please feel free to post them on the 
> > > twiki page or mail them to the list, it'll make this process a lot 
> > > easier.
> > >
> > > Separately, we have been working on a prototype that we will commit to 
> > > CVS shortly.  This is the same prototype that we talked about in the 
> > > February DSDP meeting, except we have rewritten it a couple of time 
> > > since to take advantage of standards that are in JDK 5.0 and in OSGI. 
> > > At this point, aside from javadocs and example code, the prototype code 
> > > is ready to commit, we're just waiting to get the required signatures 
> > > from within the company.  So rather than try to describe what this thing 
> > > is about, I'd rather wait another week or so and just post the code for 
> > > everyone to look at.
> > >
> > > -Pawel
> > >
> > > P.S. I just signed up for dsdp-dd-dev and cdt-dev... better late then 
> > > never.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Oberhuber, Martin wrote:
> > > > Hi,
> > > >
> > > > while Doug Gaff is at the WR User Conference in Orlando,
> > > > let me go ahead and start the new thread :-)
> > > >
> > > > Yes, Pawel P has made quite some progress on prototyping
> > > > against the Flexible Debug Model. Sine quite a bit of this
> > > > is based on former WR proprietary code, we'll need to wait
> > > > for IP clearance before we can actually make a contribution.
> > > >
> > > > We hope this to happen anytime soon.
> > > >
> > > > Cheers,
> > > > Martin
> > > > --
> > > > Martin Oberhuber - WindRiver, Austria
> > > > +43(662)457915-85
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: dsdp-dd-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx 
> > > > > [mailto:dsdp-dd-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Ewa Matejska
> > > > > Sent: Friday, May 12, 2006 8:43 PM
> > > > > To: CDT General developers list.; Device Debugging developer 
> > > > > discussions
> > > > > Subject: RE: [cdt-dev] RE: [dsdp-dd-dev] Editor technology subgroup
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi,
> > > > >
> > > > > I propose starting a new thread for future communications about the
> > > > > Debug Model since there's a technology subgroup in the DSDP-DD.  I 
> > > > > would
> > > > > like to leave this thread for Editor enhancement/ideas/requests 
> > > > > focusing
> > > > > on embedded development.
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > Ewa.
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: cdt-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:cdt-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx]
> > > > > On Behalf Of Greg Watson
> > > > > Sent: Friday, May 12, 2006 10:45 AM
> > > > > To: CDT General developers list.
> > > > > Subject: Re: [cdt-dev] RE: [dsdp-dd-dev] Editor technology subgroup
> > > > >
> > > > > I got confused by all the Dougs. :-) I'd like to work with anyone on 
> > > > > this!
> > > > >
> > > > > Greg
> > > > >
> > > > > On May 12, 2006, at 9:48 AM, Mikhail Khodjaiants wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Doug S,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I sent my previous message before I saw yours. It is for Doug G
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Mikhail K
> > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Schaefer"
> > > > > <DSchaefer@xxxxxxx>
> > > > >
> > > > > > To: "CDT General developers list." <cdt-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > > > Sent: Friday, May 12, 2006 11:46 AM
> > > > > > Subject: RE: [cdt-dev] RE: [dsdp-dd-dev] Editor technology subgroup
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Which Doug is everyone talking about :).
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Since the Greg's note was sent to cdt-dev, I thought it was for  me. 
> > > > > > > This
> > > > > > > note sounds like it is for Doug G...
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Doug Schaefer, QNX Software Systems
> > > > > > > Eclipse CDT Project Lead, Tools PMC member
> > > > > > > http://cdtdoug.blogspot.com
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > From: cdt-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:cdt-dev- 
> > > > > > > bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] On
> > > > > > > Behalf Of Mikhail Khodjaiants
> > > > > > > Sent: Friday, May 12, 2006 11:35 AM
> > > > > > > To: CDT General developers list.
> > > > > > > Subject: Re: [cdt-dev] RE: [dsdp-dd-dev] Editor technology subgroup
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Doug,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > There was a special group formed among others at the last DSDP 
> > > > > > > meeting to
> > > > > > > work on the design of the debug model. I volunteered to 
> > > > > > > participate, but I
> > > > > > > haven't heard anything since. You mentioned that Pavel and
> > > > > Ted are
> > > > > > > doing
> > > > > > > some work in this direction. Is there any new information  available 
> > > > > > > on what
> > > > > > > they are doing?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > > > Mikhail Khodjaiants
> > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg Watson" 
> > > > > > > <g.watson@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > > > > To: "CDT General developers list." <cdt-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > > > > Sent: Friday, May 12, 2006 11:11 AM
> > > > > > > Subject: Re: [cdt-dev] RE: [dsdp-dd-dev] Editor technology subgroup
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Doug,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I wonder if we could be involved in the design of the next 
> > > > > > > > generation
> > > > > > > > debugger model? We're also looking at how to use the flexible 
> > > > > > > > debug model
> > > > > > > >           for the parallel debugger. Since we reused considerable
> > > > > portions
> > > > > > > > of CDT
> > > > > > > > debugger functionality in the parallel debugger  implementation, 
> > > > > > > > it would
> > > > > > > > make sense to try and combine efforts here.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Greg
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On May 12, 2006, at 8:19 AM, Doug Schaefer wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > BTW, Welcome Toni!
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > We've been in need of some focus on the CDT editor for a while 
> > > > > > > > > and I
> > > > > > > > > look
> > > > > > > > > forward to your contributions.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Cheers,
> > > > > > > > > Doug Schaefer, QNX Software Systems
> > > > > > > > > Eclipse CDT Project Lead, Tools PMC member
> > > > > > > > > http://cdtdoug.blogspot.com
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > > > From: dsdp-dd-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > > > > > [mailto:dsdp-dd-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Gaff, Doug
> > > > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 2:43 PM
> > > > > > > > > To: Device Debugging developer discussions
> > > > > > > > > Cc: Leherbauer, Anton; CDT General developers list.
> > > > > > > > > Subject: RE: [dsdp-dd-dev] Editor technology subgroup
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Hi folks,
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I've asked Toni Leherbauer from my team to provide input
> > > > > on the
> > > > > > > > > editor.
> > > > > > > > > Toni is currently looking at enhancing the CDT editor and is 
> > > > > > > > > collecting
> > > > > > > > > some features on the CDT project plan.
> > > > > > > > > http://wiki.eclipse.org/index.php/CDT/planning/4.0
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Since there is interest in the editor in both the CDT and DD 
> > > > > > > > > projects,
> > > > > > > > > we should keep both groups in the loop.  And of course, we  should 
> > > > > > > > > have
> > > > > > > > > one editor solution in the end (in CDT).  We started
> > > > > discussing
> > > > > > > > > this in
> > > > > > > > > the DD project in Toronto simply as a way to capture  requirements 
> > > > > > > > > as
> > > > > > > > > they related to debugging.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Also, as I mentioned on the recent DD call, Ted and Pawel are 
> > > > > > > > > working on
> > > > > > > > > a prototype for a generic debugger implementation of the
> > > > > Eclipse
> > > > > > > > > 3.2
> > > > > > > > > debug model interfaces (EDMI 3.2 for short).  The goal
> > > > > is that this
> > > > >
> > > > > > > > > prototype will form the basis of a next-generation debugger  model 
> > > > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > benefits folks using CDT and folks working directly with the 
> > > > > > > > > Eclipse
> > > > > > > > > platform today.  We intend to get this committed in the
> > > > > next few
> > > > > > > > > weeks
> > > > > > > > > so that the community can start discussing architecture, 
> > > > > > > > > interfaces, and
> > > > > > > > > requirements.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > So regarding the editor, I see open questions around how we 
> > > > > > > > > integrate
> > > > > > > > > disassembly, breakpoints, instruction pointers, etc. with a new 
> > > > > > > > > debugger
> > > > > > > > > implementation.  I am also wondering how the editor will
> > > > > deal with
> > > > >
> > > > > > > > > multiple debug engines simultaneously (for example, how
> > > > > to set the
> > > > >
> > > > > > > > > default breakpoint scope).
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Doug
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