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Hi Bob,
I thought about the issue again and want to share my results.
From a closed marketing perspective you can argue the decision to
move the JBoss Tools (JBPM, Drools) into the web browser. You will
find arguments that support thus an idea. We saw exactly the same
move in the camunda project. They have completely moved out from
Eclipse and moved there BPMN modeller into the web browser. As an
result, they advice there customers now to use IntelliJ instead of
Eclipse.
So what I am thinking about is, that it is more an strategic
decision to the Eclipse Platform. The advantage of Eclipse is its
broad approach to tools. BPMN is an essential modeling standard in
my eyes. And the BPMN2 Plugin demonstrates perfectly that Eclipse
is much more than a Java IDE. We have customers (e.g. consulting
companies) which are using eclipse just for modelling.
So there are two views. The strategic product decision from JBoss
about their BPM platform and on the other hand Eclipse, as a
tooling platform also used for modelling.
Should this discussion run therefore not even also a different
level?
When JBoss and Camunda leave the train, should also Imixs and
others leave the train? Where would it go?
best regards
Ralph
On 04.03.2016 00:56, Bob Brodt wrote:
Hi
all,
As
you may or may not know, the BPMN2 Modeler is sponsored by
JBoss/Red Hat and was originally developed as the primary BPM
process editor for Eclipse tooling for Drools/jBPM (which is
being rebranded as BRMS/BPMS and/or BxMS, B*MS, etc.) The
long-range plan for the jBPM product is to migrate existing
developers to use the Web Tooling (a.k.a. KIE Workbench) editors within
the Eclipse IDE. How, when and if this is going to work is
still a bit of a mystery but suffice it to say that the plan
is to deprecate the BPMN2 Modeler native Eclipse plug-in, in
favor of "Web Designer" which is the browser-based BPM process
editor offered by KIE Workbench.
My
personal feelings aside, I'm not convinced that Web Designer
is the best choice for a native Eclipse BPM process
development tool, and I'm trying to build a case to present to
my Product Manager, arguing against discontinuing development
of the BPMN2 Modeler project. Since Red Hat is the industry
leader in Open Source Software, we do listen to you the
community members when it comes to these kinds of decisions.
Please
reply to this mailing list with your
opinions/experiences/recommendations.
Thanks,
"The
management"
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