Dear Andreas,
calm down please, Ralph started this and the orginal question was quite well put, although I fear there is no nice answer
L.
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Betreff: Re: [auto-iwg] Fwd: [eclipse.org-membership-at-large] OpenPASS: New Working Group Proposal
Dear all,
please keep this list related to automotive IWG content. I will block anyone in the future that post off-topic stuff like this.
Andreas
Am 03.07.2016 um 11:06 schrieb UOMo:
I'm afraid I have too many books to either write or review myself right now to read a lot by others, but what Wikipedia says about it, those must have been water to the mills of Brexit agitators or movements like the "Tea Party" and those
behind e.g. the Oregon standoff?;-)
With the "children" spawning-off and (in nature that does in fact happen e.g. among spiders or other insects) eating the parents, this WG was pretty much reduced to the mailing list now. Especially after Continental's "Conexit";-|
Continental remains e.g. a main Euro 2016 sponsor as you can see from TV ads, guess they have their priorities on where to spend money and where to save some?;-)
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Werner -
I suggest your read some of
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elinor_Ostrom <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elinor_Ostrom> books.
These might provide some answers to your questions.
Liebe Gr??e/Best Regards
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> Am 01.07.2016 um 23:53 schrieb UOMo <uomo@xxxxxxxxxxx>:
>
> Why yet another Automotive WG outside the Automotive WG?
>
> It's not really busy here, this has been only the 2nd message all year long (the first announced, that there will be no more Automotive IDE with Neon;-|)
>
> So how come, there are at least 3 competing Automotive WGs now (this one, a slightly more active but still incubating MDM WG and now PAAS)? Not to mention PolarSys and Papyrus which pretty much took the "torch" regarding Modeling in Embedded and Realtime...
>
> Science does not keep spawning a new WG for every area of interest like "Eclipse Bio WG", "Eclipse Numerical Data WG" etc.
> Nor is there a brand new WG for every new IoT idea or trend like a "MQTT WG", "CoAP WG", etc. so why in Automotive?;-O
>
> Having just helped a large Automotive vendor with things like tooling and DevOps enablement, I know how big the delivery pressure can be on many in this field. And although using a few plugins that came out of this WG in its more active time, most companies
do not have the time to follow or join every WG especially if there are 3, 4 or even up to 7 a company or industry might be obliged to keep an eye on ;-O
>
> Having so many groups might be a nice thing for Eclipse Foundation earning extra fees, and it could offer multiple vendors the honor of "leadig their own WG" but it seems a bit like those end up being scattered monocultures with only one or very few vendors
actively participating in one group while an equally small number sticks to another group. Usually the group they lead.
> That's not necessarily a good way to broad, truly vendor-neutral standards and technologies. It seems more like isolated small "ponds" in allotments. They also got a separate club or "working group" for each and evry one of them ;-)
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> Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2016 14:36:57 +0200
> From: Ralph Mueller <ralph.mueller@xxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:ralph.mueller@xxxxxxxxxxx>>
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> Informing you that a new working group draft charter has been published.
>
> Please send me a short email if you want more information.
>
> Liebe Gr??e/Best Regards
>
> Ralph Mueller
> ralph.mueller@xxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:ralph.mueller@xxxxxxxxxxx> <mailto:ralph.mueller@xxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:ralph.mueller@xxxxxxxxxxx>>
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> > Anfang der weitergeleiteten Nachricht:
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> > Von: Mike Milinkovich <mike.milinkovich@xxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:mike.milinkovich@xxxxxxxxxxx>>
> > Betreff: [eclipse.org-membership-at-large] OpenPASS: New Working Group Proposal
> > Datum: 30. Juni 2016 um 14:13:16 MESZ
> > An:
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> > Antwort an: mike.milinkovich@xxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:mike.milinkovich@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> >
> > All,
> >
> > A proposal has been made to establish the Eclipse OpenPASS Working Group <http://www.eclipse.org/org/workinggroups/openpasswg_charter.php <http://www.eclipse.org/org/workinggroups/openpasswg_charter.php>>
[1]. The goal of the Eclipse OpenPASS Working Group will be to support the advancement of advanced driver assistance systems (sometimes referred to as autonomous driving systems) by providing tools, systems, and adapters for standardized, openly-available
and vendor-neutral platform for simulation of traffic scenarios. Volkswagen Group of America, Inc., BMW Group, Daimler AG, ITK Engineering AG and others have all expressed interest in participating this collaborative working group.
> >
> > The proposed charter <http://www.eclipse.org/org/workinggroups/openpasswg_charter.php <http://www.eclipse.org/org/workinggroups/openpasswg_charter.php>>
[1] for this working group is available for review. If you have any comments or feedback on the proposed charter, please send to
openpass-wg@xxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:openpass-wg@xxxxxxxxxxx> <mailto:openpass-wg@xxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:openpass-wg@xxxxxxxxxxx>>. All Members of the Eclipse Foundation are invited to join and participate in this working group. If you are interested, please send an e-mail to the mailing list.
Based on the feedback and level of interest, the working group will be officially created in July 2016.
> >
> > Please feel free to contact myself, Ralph Mueller, or the <mailto:openpass-wg@xxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:openpass-wg@xxxxxxxxxxx>>openpass-wg@xxxxxxxxxxx
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> >
> > [1] -
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> >
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> Hello,
>
> I am interested in this and I would like to know morw about it. Please
> send me more information on the same if possible.
>
> Thank you.
> On Jun 30, 2016 8:37 AM, "Ralph Mueller" <ralph.mueller@xxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:ralph.mueller@xxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
>
> > Informing you that a new working group draft charter has been published.
> >
> > Please send me a short email if you want more information.
> >
> > Liebe Gr??e/Best Regards
> >
> > Ralph Mueller
> > ralph.mueller@xxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:ralph.mueller@xxxxxxxxxxx>
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> > *Betreff: **[eclipse.org <http://eclipse.org/> <http://eclipse.org <http://eclipse.org/>>-membership-at-large]
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> > *Datum: *30. Juni 2016 um 14:13:16 MESZ
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> > *Antwort an: *mike.milinkovich@xxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:mike.milinkovich@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> >
> > All,
> >
> > A proposal has been made to establish the Eclipse OpenPASS Working Group
> > <http://www.eclipse.org/org/workinggroups/openpasswg_charter.php <http://www.eclipse.org/org/workinggroups/openpasswg_charter.php>>
[1].
> > The goal of the Eclipse OpenPASS Working Group will be to support the
> > advancement of advanced driver assistance systems (sometimes referred to as
> > autonomous driving systems) by providing tools, systems, and adapters for
> > standardized, openly-available and vendor-neutral platform for simulation
> > of traffic scenarios. Volkswagen Group of America, Inc., BMW Group,
> > Daimler AG, ITK Engineering AG and others have all expressed interest in
> > participating this collaborative working group.
> >
> > The proposed charter
> > <http://www.eclipse.org/org/workinggroups/openpasswg_charter.php <http://www.eclipse.org/org/workinggroups/openpasswg_charter.php>>
[1]
> > for this working group is available for review. If you have any comments
> > or feedback on the proposed charter, please send to
> > openpass-wg@xxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:openpass-wg@xxxxxxxxxxx>. All Members of the Eclipse Foundation are
> > invited to join and participate in this working group. If you are
> > interested, please send an e-mail to the mailing list. Based on the
> > feedback and level of interest, the working group will be officially
> > created in July 2016.
> >
> > Please feel free to contact myself, Ralph Mueller, or the
> > <openpass-wg@xxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:openpass-wg@xxxxxxxxxxx>>openpass-wg@xxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:openpass-wg@xxxxxxxxxxx>
mailing list if you have
> > any questions.
> >
> > [1] -
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> >
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> Hallo Ralph,
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> Ich w?re sehr interessiert. :-)
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> Gru?
> Martin
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> Informing you that a new working group draft charter has been published.
>
> Please send me a short email if you want more information.
>
> Liebe Gr??e/Best Regards
>
> Ralph Mueller
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> Datum: 30. Juni 2016 um 14:13:16 MESZ
> An:
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> Antwort an: mike.milinkovich@xxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:mike.milinkovich@xxxxxxxxxxx><mailto:mike.milinkovich@xxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:mike.milinkovich@xxxxxxxxxxx>>
>
> All,
>
> A proposal has been made to establish the Eclipse OpenPASS Working Group<http://www.eclipse.org/org/workinggroups/openpasswg_charter.php <http://www.eclipse.org/org/workinggroups/openpasswg_charter.php>>
[1]. The goal of the Eclipse OpenPASS Working Group will be to support the advancement of advanced driver assistance systems (sometimes referred to as autonomous driving systems) by providing tools, systems, and adapters for standardized, openly-available
and vendor-neutral platform for simulation of traffic scenarios. Volkswagen Group of America, Inc., BMW Group, Daimler AG, ITK Engineering AG and others have all expressed interest in participating this collaborative working group.
>
> The proposed charter<http://www.eclipse.org/org/workinggroups/openpasswg_charter.php <http://www.eclipse.org/org/workinggroups/openpasswg_charter.php>>
[1] for this working group is available for review. If you have any comments or feedback on the proposed charter, please send to
openpass-wg@xxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:openpass-wg@xxxxxxxxxxx><mailto:openpass-wg@xxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:openpass-wg@xxxxxxxxxxx>>.
All Members of the Eclipse Foundation are invited to join and participate in this working group. If you are interested, please send an e-mail to the mailing list. Based on the feedback and level of interest, the working group will be officially created in
July 2016.
>
> Please feel free to contact myself, Ralph Mueller, or the <mailto:openpass-wg@xxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:openpass-wg@xxxxxxxxxxx>>
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>
> [1] -
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Aufsichtsrat: Aufsichtsrat: Prof. Dr. Burkhard Igel (Vors.) | Michael Neuhaus | Jennifer Fiorentino
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