RE: [aspectj-users] CNET News.com Article on AOP

["Louth, William" <william.louth@xxxxxx>]

Ron,

I did not really like the reference to your view that AOP (AspectJ) code
tends to be better. This could be attributed to the fact that early
adopters tend to be skillful engineers who recognize a new tool and its
application to their problems, ;-).

I am sure that as soon AOP becomes mainstream you will see poor designs
and code as people apply the technology wrongly - which is what happened
to EJB.

I believe that AOP has a promising future for complex development
projects in the hands of experienced engineers but as I have stated
previously the more I apply AOP the more I am drawn into refactoring
existing designs and code. AOP will not solve a poor design and it
proves quite hard to introduce it into systems which have not been
designed with this in mind. There still exists problems with scaling AOP
to large projects. I really hope that JBoss's framework does not become
widely used until we solved how to handle the direct/indirect
interactions between different aspects on common object/component
models.

Its great to see AOP having greater media coverage but I hope we don't
promise too much.

All the best,

William Louth
William.louth@xxxxxx

-----Original Message-----
From: Ron Bodkin [mailto:rbodkin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] 
Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2003 4:28 PM
To: aspectj-users@xxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [aspectj-users] CNET News.com Article on AOP


Indeed, the JBoss crew view aspect-oriented programming as a means of
implementing attribute-oriented programming, and that perspective is
clear in the article. And therefore it's also the emphasis of their
message, namely fighting C#. This is probably an attempt to pull
together with the rest of the Java world, by focusing on a common enemy
in Microsoft.

However, the article does discuss defining rules and enforcing policies
for the entire system, which isn't something that attribute-oriented can
do (at least not completely). Given the audience is non-programmers, I
think the description is reasonable.

Overall, having AOP hit the radar screen like this is helpful, even
though I'd like to see the title be "Growth in AOP for Enterprise Java."
Feel free to encourage Marc Fleury to change his message ...

Ron

Ron Bodkin
Chief Technology Officer
New Aspects of Security
m: (415) 509-2895

> ------------Original Message-------------
> From: Carlos E Perez <ceperez@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: aspectj-users@xxxxxxxxxxx
> Date: Thu, Sep-25-2003 3:30 AM
> Subject: Re: [aspectj-users] CNET News.com Article on AOP
> 
> It's good PR, however, the main theme of the article,
> that is "a way to fight the rising popularity of C#" completely 
> distracts the audience from the real issue.
> 
> The other problem is the association of Aspect
> programming with Attribute based programming.  If you replaced 
> "Aspect-oriented" with "Attribute-based" this article would have made 
> more sense.
> 
> Carlos
> 
> 
> --- Ron Bodkin <rbodkin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > This article was published today as the lead story
> > on CNET News.com: http://news.com.com/2100-1007_3-5081831.html.  
> > It's good to see the increase in interest and awareness
> > of AOP from industry news sources (as well as
> > industry analysts).
> > 
> > Ron
> > 
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> > Chief Technology Officer
> > New Aspects of Security
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