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| Re: Swing looks and performs better on Mac than SWT :-( [message #225170 is a reply to message #225027] |
Fri, 09 April 2004 10:55   |
 Scott Stanchfield
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Karsten has definitely shown that with the right effort you can make
Swing look/feel nice.
At a given *instant* in time.
Swing can be made to kinda look and feel native. There are usually a few
"feel oddities" which prove pretty annoying, but the more effort spent
by someone like Karsten on a project, the better than project can feel.
However, most folks don't take that time and effort. Look at Netbeans
for example, or the vast majority of Swing apps out there. What a mess.
And, one of the bigger problems is that as soon as the native windowing
system changes, Swing doesn't follow. The various windows upgrades
demonstrate this in a huge way.
This is why I'm a big fan of true native look and feel. It's the only
way to ensure that the app really stays consistent with the platform
it's being used on. When the platform changes, the app changes.
(Of course in addition to this, the platform's L&F guidelines must be
followed, which I think is even a bigger issue for Java apps -- what
goes on what menus, for example. To truly do this right requires a
configurable app that can change its layout, key assignments, and so
forth per platform as well...)
-- Scott
In article <c54n0o$kb4$1@eclipse.org>, sean_dynan@nowhere.com says...
> Luc Peerdeman wrote:
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> > Swing now
> > performs better and looks more native on Mac than SWT does.
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> <snip/>
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> > One of the things
> > Eclipse customers have prided themselves in is that you generally can't
> > tell that Eclipse isn't a native platform application, yet it's written
> > in Java.
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> Indeed.
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> Have you checked this out?
> http://www.jgoodies.com/freeware/metamorphosis/index.html
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> Run the demo, and tell me that Swing app doesn't feel as fast as
> Eclipse. It can certainly look the part:
> http://www.jgoodies.com/freeware/metamorphosis/images/elegan tui.gif
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| Re: Swing looks and performs better on Mac than SWT :-( [message #228877 is a reply to message #226740] |
Wed, 14 April 2004 21:10 |
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Originally posted by: hanma0.arcor.de
"Johan Compagner" <jcompagner@j-com.nl> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:c5dktf$kb3$1@eclipse.org...
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> I developer for the mac (www.servoy.com)
> But i can say that swing only performs fast when you have a really fast
Mac G-5 dual
> Eclipse on the other hand runs fine on my ibook.
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> And we have so so so many bugs found in the swing implementation of apple
> There are still so many. I must constantly find workarounds and
workarounds and workarounds.
> Its getting very tyresome..
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> Also apple people are in my eyes stupid.. For example they see mnemonics
as the same things
> as accelarators..... incrediable... idiots..
> Now we have for example for every menu that we make a special object that
will test for the
> mac and if it is a mac we don't allow the mnemonic to be set..
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> There are so many things about the mac that i don't like especially now
that i am targeting
> it with a java program..
Hm. Wasn't there some "write once run anywhere" thing with java ?? :-)
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