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| Eclipse and NetBeans [message #188040] |
Mon, 15 January 2007 11:07  |
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Originally posted by: louarnoldottawa._yahoo.ca
I'm interested in creating a Java application. This will be a serious
process, not a toy and not a for learning purposes, although I will learn
Java in the process.
However, there appear to be two free-of-charge IDE's: Eclipse and
NetBeans, and so the question is which one to use. Comments would be
appreciated, but please reply if you have experience with both.
The application I write will be largely database applications. A strong
GUI builder capability will therefore be important.
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| Re: Eclipse and NetBeans [message #188117 is a reply to message #188040] |
Mon, 15 January 2007 12:57  |
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Originally posted by: ns_dkerber.ns_WarrenRogersAssociates.com
In article <37292d605e50f2eaea67d99d3c89801f$1@www.eclipse.org>,
louarnoldottawa@_yahoo.ca says...
> I'm interested in creating a Java application. This will be a serious
> process, not a toy and not a for learning purposes, although I will learn
> Java in the process.
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> However, there appear to be two free-of-charge IDE's: Eclipse and
> NetBeans, and so the question is which one to use. Comments would be
> appreciated, but please reply if you have experience with both.
I tried both when migrating off of SilverStream, and found NetBeans a
bit more intuitive and easier to get started with, but not quite as
versatile (I needed more than just java support), so I went with
Eclipse.
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Remove the ns_ from if replying by e-mail (but keep posts in the
newsgroups if possible).
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| Re: Eclipse and NetBeans [message #188231 is a reply to message #188040] |
Mon, 15 January 2007 16:03 |
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Originally posted by: eclipse5.rizzoweb.com
Lou Arnold wrote:
> I'm interested in creating a Java application. This will be a serious
> process, not a toy and not a for learning purposes, although I will
> learn Java in the process.
>
> However, there appear to be two free-of-charge IDE's: Eclipse and
> NetBeans, and so the question is which one to use. Comments would be
> appreciated, but please reply if you have experience with both.
>
> The application I write will be largely database applications. A strong
> GUI builder capability will therefore be important.
>
It is largely a matter of taste, but I think you'll find the community
support behind Eclipse is more than NetBeans. Just look at the number of
free and commercial plugins that are available for Eclipse; I don't
think NetBeans even comes close. As someone else already said, the
biggest "selling" point of NetBeans is their Matisse GUI layout tool -
if that is the biggest feature you have to hype, what does that say
about the overall usefulness of the tool? And since it is not
bi-directional, it is utterly useless for a lot of kinds of work where
editing of the generated code is necessary.
Eclipse has its own Visual Editor (VE) project/plugin which you can
install via the Update Manager. See
http://www.eclipse.org/vep/WebContent/faq.html#install_howto for
instructions.
There are other third-party visual GUI tools, too. I can recommend any
product from Instantiations, as they've been in the Java tool business
for a very long time and have a history of quality products.
There are also numerous plugins to help you work with your database. The
Eclipse.org project WTP (Web Tools Project) includes DB tools, but there
are many others, some even better.
Hope this helps,
Eric
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| Re: Eclipse and NetBeans [message #188278 is a reply to message #188231] |
Mon, 15 January 2007 20:14 |
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Originally posted by: ken.kroberts.in.9ci.com
On 2007-01-15, Eric Rizzo <eclipse5@rizzoweb.com> wrote:
> Lou Arnold wrote:
>> I'm interested in creating a Java application. This will be a serious
>> process, not a toy and not a for learning purposes, although I will
>> learn Java in the process.
>>
>> However, there appear to be two free-of-charge IDE's: Eclipse and
>> NetBeans, and so the question is which one to use. Comments would be
>> appreciated, but please reply if you have experience with both.
>>
>> The application I write will be largely database applications. A strong
>> GUI builder capability will therefore be important.
>>
>
> It is largely a matter of taste, but I think you'll find the community
> support behind Eclipse is more than NetBeans. Just look at the number of
> free and commercial plugins that are available for Eclipse; I don't
> think NetBeans even comes close. As someone else already said, the
> biggest "selling" point of NetBeans is their Matisse GUI layout tool -
> if that is the biggest feature you have to hype, what does that say
> about the overall usefulness of the tool? And since it is not
> bi-directional, it is utterly useless for a lot of kinds of work where
> editing of the generated code is necessary.
>
> Eclipse has its own Visual Editor (VE) project/plugin which you can
> install via the Update Manager. See
> http://www.eclipse.org/vep/WebContent/faq.html#install_howto for
> instructions.
>
> There are other third-party visual GUI tools, too. I can recommend any
> product from Instantiations, as they've been in the Java tool business
> for a very long time and have a history of quality products.
>
> There are also numerous plugins to help you work with your database. The
> Eclipse.org project WTP (Web Tools Project) includes DB tools, but there
> are many others, some even better.
>
> Hope this helps,
> Eric
Regarding the GUI tool, I have used neither one (NetBeans nor Eclipse)
so I can hardly argue anyone's point. I was forwarding an opinion given
me by someone else, which amounts to hearsay. I'll certainly take a
look at the products which have been mentioned.
Regarding the number of plugins, I have to agree. My company has been
using JBuilder for years, and now we're converting to Eclipse. Eclipse
has a lot of features I really like, including the first GUI CVS tool
that I'll actually use most of the time, rather than the command line.
IMHO, any company that makes a commercial IDE needs to watch their back.
Eclipse is coming, and it ain't gonna stop. I've been programming for
decades, and I can't recall any single tool that ever changed how an
entire industry works quite so much as this one does. Companies are
bailing out of the IDE market it seems, and trying to get whatever
commercial functionality they want to keep into an Eclipse plugin.
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