Should UML be MDD or agile ? [message #677068] |
Tue, 07 June 2011 13:09 |
Vlad Varnica Messages: 546 Registered: July 2009 Location: Milton Keynes - UK |
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This forum is sleeping therefore I have decided to launch a new topic.
Should UML be Model Driven Development or Agile ?
Let's talk about it.
PS: If you don't understand what is MDD or Agile then let me know. thx
[Updated on: Tue, 07 June 2011 13:11] Report message to a moderator
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Re: (no subject) [message #677729 is a reply to message #677507] |
Thu, 09 June 2011 09:05 |
Vlad Varnica Messages: 546 Registered: July 2009 Location: Milton Keynes - UK |
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Ed,
My answer below:
Ed said: Which newsgroups are you looking at? EMF is ever popular (especially
CDO) and the TMF newsgroup (which is mostly about Xtext) is typically
the most active at Eclipse often generating more posts (and more
consistent answers) than even the platform or newcomers newsgroup.
Vlad answer: Compare to the year June 2005 to June 2006 the EMF number of clicks have dropped by over 50%
Ed said: Certainly there is much room for broader adoption of MDD strategies, I
think that's growing significantly in Germany and in France, but in
other regions, particularly North America, there seem to be cultural
biases against being so formal and rigorous...
Vlad answer: If a technology is not adopted in North America it means it will never be adopted on large scale by others. After 10 years Model Driven development has not been adopted except by very few France and Germany companies usually using public funds . MDD technologies will therefore never be as a real profitable market.
Ed said: We discussed such things at CodeGen 2011. How better to educate people
and evangelize these technologies... One of the things I pointed out was
that we're often our own worst enemies by appearing to be over zealous
fanatics with panacea solutions to all the ills of the world. Someone
even suggested we should rebrand MDD as kind of an ultra Agile
methodology; that kind of bogus marketing makes me feel sick....
Vlad answer: I would recommend you not to feel sick too much because this is just the beginning of the end of MDD. MDD is mediocre and has never bring any value to software development. Only dreaming stories of software vendors or consulting companies are taking advantages of fullish companies !!
[Updated on: Thu, 09 June 2011 09:06] Report message to a moderator
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Re: (no subject) [message #681707 is a reply to message #677729] |
Thu, 09 June 2011 16:50 |
Ed Merks Messages: 33218 Registered: July 2009 |
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Vlad,
Comments below.
Vlad Varnica wrote:
> Ed,
>
> My answer below:
>
> Which newsgroups are you looking at? EMF is ever popular (especially
> CDO) and the TMF newsgroup (which is mostly about Xtext) is typically
> the most active at Eclipse often generating more posts (and more
> consistent answers) than even the platform or newcomers newsgroup.
> Compare to the year June 2005 to June 2006 the EMF number of clicks
> have dropped by over 50%
Clicks? I use NNTP and I count posts.
>
> Certainly there is much room for broader adoption of MDD strategies, I
> think that's growing significantly in Germany and in France, but in
> other regions, particularly North America, there seem to be cultural
> biases against being so formal and rigorous...
> If a technology is not adopted in North America it means it will never
> be adopted on large scale by others.
I think DSLs (models by another name) will have more traction in a
culture that is averse to UML.
> After 10 years Model Driven development has not been adopted except by
> very few France and Germany companies usually using public funds . MDD
> technologies will therefore never be as a real profitable market.
It's significantly used in the automotive industry (just to name one
sector) and without public funding.
Profitable markets are an orthogonal issue. Is there a long term
profitable market for Java IDEs? I don't think so. But that doesn't
imply Java IDEs aren't broadly adopted or that they have failed in some
way...
>
>
> We discussed such things at CodeGen 2011. How better to educate people
> and evangelize these technologies... One of the things I pointed out was
> that we're often our own worst enemies by appearing to be over zealous
> fanatics with panacea solutions to all the ills of the world. Someone
> even suggested we should rebrand MDD as kind of an ultra Agile
> methodology; that kind of bogus marketing makes me feel sick....
> I would recommend you not to feel sick too much because this is just
> the beginning of the end of MDD.
Now you're a soothsayer. Hopefully you're not hearing voices...
> MDD is mediocre and has never bring any value to software development.
Didn't you use it to build your tools from a model for UML2?
> Only dreaming stories of software vendors or consulting companies are
> taking advantages of fullish companies !!
You mean foolish? You should let the Swiss banks and the German
automotive companies know about this outrage as soon as possible!
Either that or you might consider taking your medication more consistently.
Ed Merks
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