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FTP - is there still nothing viable? [message #524705]

Thu, 01 April 2010 21:31

Moshe Plotkin

Messages: 3
Registered: April 2010

Junior Member

I have been searching for over a year for ftp support for Eclipse and can't find anything that actually works.

There seem's to be a wonderful project "WebDAV and FTP Support" at http://www.eclipse.org/eclipse/platform-team/target.php which has obviously been abandon long ago.

When ever you search on google they (or their related projects) dominate the results.

On their page they claim to be part of the "Platform Build" so they have no need to give a download link or a link point Eclipse's "Install New Software" dialog to. but they are obviously not part of the platform build and nowhere in any of the standard projects.

so WHAT GIVES?

I am totally confused. How can the platform that is being trumpeted as the future of web development not have even one FTP plugin?

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Re: FTP - is there still nothing viable? [message #525312 is a reply to message #524705]

Tue, 06 April 2010 07:58

Eclipse User

Originally posted by: hpatzke.hotmail.com

On 04/01/2010 11:31 PM, Moshe Plotkin wrote:
> I am totally confused. How can the platform that is being trumpeted as
> the future of web development not have even one FTP plugin?

If you really need it, instead of complaining, why don't you sit down,
implement it, and thus "fix" your problem?

With a closed-source product, if you can't convince the manufacturer to
integrate your preferred plugin, it's "end of story". Same if the
manufacturer discontinues the product or goes out of business.

With Eclipse being open source, you can fix/change anything you need
fixed/changed. If you can't do it yourself, and you really need the
feature, you can spend some money and pay someone to do it for you.

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Re: FTP - is there still nothing viable? [message #525380 is a reply to message #524705]

Tue, 06 April 2010 12:23

Eclipse Webmaster

Messages: 607343
Registered: July 2009

Senior Member

Although we could argue that the future of web development is not in
FTP, you are looking for the Remote Systems Explorer from DSDP.

http://download.eclipse.org/dsdp/tm/downloads/drops/R-3.1.2- 201002152323/

That plugin will allow you to transparently open, save and delete remote
files locally. You won't even know they are remote. It supports FTP,
SSH, SCP and SFTP.

Good luck!

D.

On 04/01/2010 05:31 PM, Moshe Plotkin wrote:
> I have been searching for over a year for ftp support for Eclipse and
> can't find anything that actually works.
>
> There seem's to be a wonderful project "WebDAV and FTP Support" at
> http://www.eclipse.org/eclipse/platform-team/target.php which has
> obviously been abandon long ago.
>
> When ever you search on google they (or their related projects) dominate
> the results.
>
> On their page they claim to be part of the "Platform Build" so they have
> no need to give a download link or a link point Eclipse's "Install New
> Software" dialog to. but they are obviously not part of the platform
> build and nowhere in any of the standard projects.
>
>
> so WHAT GIVES?
>
> I am totally confused. How can the platform that is being trumpeted as
> the future of web development not have even one FTP plugin?

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Re: FTP - is there still nothing viable? [message #525565 is a reply to message #524705]

Tue, 06 April 2010 21:39

Steve Blass

Messages: 276
Registered: July 2009

Senior Member

The Remote System Explorer in the Target Management project supports
FTP, SSH and more. The TM home page is at
http://www.eclipse.org/dsdp/tm/ The downloads are at
http://download.eclipse.org/dsdp/tm/downloads/ . You can install it
through the Eclipse help menu as well.
-
Steve

Moshe Plotkin wrote:
> I have been searching for over a year for ftp support for Eclipse and
> can't find anything that actually works.
>
> There seem's to be a wonderful project "WebDAV and FTP Support" at
> http://www.eclipse.org/eclipse/platform-team/target.php which has
> obviously been abandon long ago.
>
> When ever you search on google they (or their related projects) dominate
> the results.
>
> On their page they claim to be part of the "Platform Build" so they have
> no need to give a download link or a link point Eclipse's "Install New
> Software" dialog to. but they are obviously not part of the platform
> build and nowhere in any of the standard projects.
>
>
> so WHAT GIVES?
>
> I am totally confused. How can the platform that is being trumpeted as
> the future of web development not have even one FTP plugin?

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Re: FTP - is there still nothing viable? [message #525581 is a reply to message #525565]

Wed, 07 April 2010 01:33

Moshe Plotkin

Messages: 3
Registered: April 2010

Junior Member

@hpatzke: I like your attitude. That is exactly what I plan to do. I was kind of voicing my frustration to the community. In a closed project I'd have no one to turn to, but in an open source community - possibly the biggest most active open source community in the world - I was surprised that a great idea got dropped like a hot potato and replaced with something that (might be really cool, but) is totally different.
There's a little hang up - I haven't programmed in Java in a decade in a half. I'm a C# guy and recently I've been doing a lot of php (which is what I am using eclipse for) but I haven't touched java. But we should be able to get over that.

@Everyone else: Yes I've seen RSE and tried it, a few times. Before we get to the bugs and inconsistencies, the main point is that the paradigm is all wrong. The tried and true arrangement is what every single one of the commercial and amateur programs uses.
A local repository is kept as a working copy and files are synchronized when needed.
You cant work from a linked remote file system over ftp. Its wrong on so many levels.

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Re: FTP - is there still nothing viable? [message #526151 is a reply to message #525581]

Fri, 09 April 2010 00:07

Steve Blass

Messages: 276
Registered: July 2009

Senior Member

Moshe Plotkin wrote:
> @hpatzke: I like your attitude. That is exactly what I plan to do. I was
> kind of voicing my frustration to the community. In a closed project I'd
> have no one to turn to, but in an open source community - possibly the
> biggest most active open source community in the world - I was surprised
> that a great idea got dropped like a hot potato and replaced with
> something that (might be really cool, but) is totally different.
> There's a little hang up - I haven't programmed in Java in a decade in a
> half. I'm a C# guy and recently I've been doing a lot of php (which is
> what I am using eclipse for) but I haven't touched java. But we should
> be able to get over that.
>
>
> @Everyone else: Yes I've seen RSE and tried it, a few times. Before we
> get to the bugs and inconsistencies, the main point is that the paradigm
> is all wrong. The tried and true arrangement is what every single one of
> the commercial and amateur programs uses.
> A local repository is kept as a working copy and files are synchronized
> when needed.
> You cant work from a linked remote file system over ftp. Its wrong on so
> many levels.

I don't use FTP much anymore but your post made me curious enough to
take a look.

The FTP plugins are still out there in CVS and appear to work with
Eclipse 3.5. The WebDAV plugins throw build errors but the FTP works
without them.

I took the project set file from the old FTP/WebDav page that you linked
to earlier and adjusted it so that it could find cvsroot, imported the
project set, closed the webdav projects that were imported, fixed the
two Manifest.MF lines showing errors in org.eclipse.ftp (remove the
dependency on the webdav project and set singleton=true - you'll see the
flags in the problems view) and was ready to run.

Launching an Eclipse Application run configuration with all plugins
enabled provided a Target Management/Site Explorer option in the
Window/Show View/Other menu that gives a point and shoot FTP client -- I
don't see any ties to the Team synchronizing features but I didn't look
very hard.

To use these FTP plugins for real you would build the projects in your
workspace, export them and install in your eclipse installation. You'll
end up with a FTP client inside Eclipse but it looks like you will still
be copying by hand to synch.

To make the tool set fit the paradigm you have in mind you might
consider using an Ant FTP task. Getting a basic Ant FTP task working
requires adding two jars (commons-net and jakarta-oro) and identifying
where they are to ANT through Windows/Preferences/Ant and then writing
an ant file with an ftp task. This approach could get you real close to
the click to synch approach. Using the 'newer' property in the ant ftp
task should even make putting only newly changed files fairly straight
forward.

Here's the modified project set file you can use to retrieve the
ftp/webdav plugins into your workspace.

-------

<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>
<psf version="2.0">
<provider id="org.eclipse.team.cvs.core.cvsnature">
<project
reference="1.0,:pserver:anonymous@dev.eclipse.org :/cvsroot/eclipse,platform-vcm-home/plugins/target/org.eclip se.ftp,org.eclipse.ftp "/>
<project
reference="1.0,:pserver:anonymous@dev.eclipse.org :/cvsroot/eclipse,platform-vcm-home/plugins/target/org.eclip se.target,org.eclipse.target "/>
<project
reference="1.0,:pserver:anonymous@dev.eclipse.org :/cvsroot/eclipse,platform-vcm-home/plugins/target/org.eclip se.target.ftp,org.eclipse.target.ftp "/>
<project
reference="1.0,:pserver:anonymous@dev.eclipse.org :/cvsroot/eclipse,platform-vcm-home/plugins/target/org.eclip se.target.webdav,org.eclipse.target.webdav "/>
<project
reference="1.0,:pserver:anonymous@dev.eclipse.org :/cvsroot/eclipse,platform-vcm-home/plugins/target/org.eclip se.target.iofile,org.eclipse.target.iofile "/>
<project
reference="1.0,:pserver:anonymous@dev.eclipse.org :/cvsroot/eclipse,platform-vcm-home/plugins/target/org.eclip se.team.target,org.eclipse.team.target "/>
<project
reference="1.0,:pserver:anonymous@dev.eclipse.org:/cvsroot/eclipse,org.eclipse.team.ftp,org.eclipse.team.ftp"/ >
<project
reference="1.0,:pserver:anonymous@dev.eclipse.org :/cvsroot/eclipse,org.eclipse.team.webdav,org.eclipse.team.w ebdav "/>
<project
reference="1.0,:pserver:anonymous@dev.eclipse.org :/cvsroot/eclipse,platform-vcm-home/plugins/target/org.eclip se.target.rcp,org.eclipse.target.rcp "/>
</provider>
</psf>

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Here's a sample ant file for an ftp task

---------------

<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>
<project name="ftptest" default="ftptest" basedir=".">
<target name="ftptest" description="ftp test">
<ftp server="ftp.server.name" remotedir="/testdir" passive="yes"
userid="yourname" password="yourpassword" depends="no">
<fileset file="testfile.jpg">
</fileset>
</ftp>
</target>
</project>

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HTH

-
Steve

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