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Re: Minimal required components for SA Help [message #473585 is a reply to message #472531] |
Wed, 23 April 2008 16:40 |
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Originally posted by: nospam_kowalskilee.gmail.com
Hi Rob,
What version level of Eclipse are you planning on using?
Your response will go to determining the list of the bare minimum
required plug-ins for a stand alone system. For example, the list for
Eclipse 3.4 is slightly different than the list for version 3.3, etc.
Be aware that the Eclipse help system will need a JRE to run, because it
is a Java-based app. While you can tell your users that a JRE is a
pre-requisite, some teams choose to include the JRE to make it easier
for their users and the JRE itself will increase the footprint. Of
course, if your non-Eclipse application already requires a JRE, then it
is not a special requirement for the help system per se.
My personal preference is to use the Platform binary instead of the RCP
binary, because I believe that gives me more control: I start with a
superset of everything I'd need and pare it down to the minimum. In the
past, when I started with the RCP binary, I'd have to add in jars from
the Platform binary anyway to get to the minimum needed for stand alone
help. If I was going to need something from the Platform binary anyway,
I figure to just start with that.
However, new with Eclipse 3.4, there is a Help Feature that you can add
to the RCP binary to give you what's needed to have an RCP application
plus online help. I haven't tested for whether doing it that way (RCP
binary + Help Feature) gives you more than the minimum for stand alone
help. (That is, if it brings along a bunch of stuff needed for an RCP
app that isn't needed for stand alone help).
Best regards,
Lee Anne
Rob Kimm wrote:
> Hi -
> I'm in the process of sorting out the best way to deliver Stand Alone
> help for a non-Eclipse application. The content and documentation
> plug-ins are being developed using DITA and the DOTA OTK.
> I have a few implementation questions, if anyone's willing.
>
> One of the requirements we have is to keep the footprint as small as
> possible. Is there a definitive list of the bare minimum required
> plug-ins to allow Eclipse UA to run as a stand alone system?
> I'm also wondering if there's conventional wisdom on whether it's
> preferable to use the platform runtime binary or RCP binary.
>
> Finally, does anyone have recommendations on packaging the help system
> (plug ins and binarys) for distribution?
> Thanks!
> Rob Kimm
> Medtronic
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Re: Minimal required components for SA Help [message #473747 is a reply to message #473746] |
Wed, 14 May 2008 14:21 |
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Originally posted by: nospam_kowalskilee.gmail.com
Pierre Candela wrote:
> Lee Anne wrote:
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>> What version level of Eclipse are you planning on using?
>> Your response will go to determining the list of the bare minimum
>> required plug-ins for a stand alone system. For example, the list for
>> Eclipse 3.4 is slightly different than the list for version 3.3, etc.
>
> Hi Lee Anne,
> in what way is the list different between 3.3 and 3.4?
> The list we came up with for Eclipse 3.3 in Bug #197510 is still valid
> for Eclipse 3.4 M6:
> https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=197510
>
> I haven't had the time to verify it against M7, though.
>
> Regards,
> Pierre
Hi Pierre,
Thanks for pointing this out. I see that I misspoke ("mistyped") when I
posted that the list for Eclipse 3.4 is slightly different. When I
responded to Rob's post, while I was thinking of that same Bugzilla
entry, I mistakenly assumed that we had been talking about 3.4 at that
time also. I have had 3.4 on the brain in the intervening months. :-)
Best regards,
Lee Anne
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Re: Minimal required components for SA Help [message #612018 is a reply to message #472531] |
Wed, 23 April 2008 16:40 |
Eclipse User |
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Originally posted by: nospam_kowalskilee.gmail.com
Hi Rob,
What version level of Eclipse are you planning on using?
Your response will go to determining the list of the bare minimum
required plug-ins for a stand alone system. For example, the list for
Eclipse 3.4 is slightly different than the list for version 3.3, etc.
Be aware that the Eclipse help system will need a JRE to run, because it
is a Java-based app. While you can tell your users that a JRE is a
pre-requisite, some teams choose to include the JRE to make it easier
for their users and the JRE itself will increase the footprint. Of
course, if your non-Eclipse application already requires a JRE, then it
is not a special requirement for the help system per se.
My personal preference is to use the Platform binary instead of the RCP
binary, because I believe that gives me more control: I start with a
superset of everything I'd need and pare it down to the minimum. In the
past, when I started with the RCP binary, I'd have to add in jars from
the Platform binary anyway to get to the minimum needed for stand alone
help. If I was going to need something from the Platform binary anyway,
I figure to just start with that.
However, new with Eclipse 3.4, there is a Help Feature that you can add
to the RCP binary to give you what's needed to have an RCP application
plus online help. I haven't tested for whether doing it that way (RCP
binary + Help Feature) gives you more than the minimum for stand alone
help. (That is, if it brings along a bunch of stuff needed for an RCP
app that isn't needed for stand alone help).
Best regards,
Lee Anne
Rob Kimm wrote:
> Hi -
> I'm in the process of sorting out the best way to deliver Stand Alone
> help for a non-Eclipse application. The content and documentation
> plug-ins are being developed using DITA and the DOTA OTK.
> I have a few implementation questions, if anyone's willing.
>
> One of the requirements we have is to keep the footprint as small as
> possible. Is there a definitive list of the bare minimum required
> plug-ins to allow Eclipse UA to run as a stand alone system?
> I'm also wondering if there's conventional wisdom on whether it's
> preferable to use the platform runtime binary or RCP binary.
>
> Finally, does anyone have recommendations on packaging the help system
> (plug ins and binarys) for distribution?
> Thanks!
> Rob Kimm
> Medtronic
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Re: Minimal required components for SA Help [message #614220 is a reply to message #473746] |
Wed, 14 May 2008 14:21 |
Eclipse User |
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Originally posted by: nospam_kowalskilee.gmail.com
Pierre Candela wrote:
> Lee Anne wrote:
>
>> What version level of Eclipse are you planning on using?
>> Your response will go to determining the list of the bare minimum
>> required plug-ins for a stand alone system. For example, the list for
>> Eclipse 3.4 is slightly different than the list for version 3.3, etc.
>
> Hi Lee Anne,
> in what way is the list different between 3.3 and 3.4?
> The list we came up with for Eclipse 3.3 in Bug #197510 is still valid
> for Eclipse 3.4 M6:
> https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=197510
>
> I haven't had the time to verify it against M7, though.
>
> Regards,
> Pierre
Hi Pierre,
Thanks for pointing this out. I see that I misspoke ("mistyped") when I
posted that the list for Eclipse 3.4 is slightly different. When I
responded to Rob's post, while I was thinking of that same Bugzilla
entry, I mistakenly assumed that we had been talking about 3.4 at that
time also. I have had 3.4 on the brain in the intervening months. :-)
Best regards,
Lee Anne
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