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[PMF] Feedback about the PMF project [message #383574] |
Thu, 11 December 2008 17:12 |
Jean-Sebastien Sottet Messages: 4 Registered: July 2009 |
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Hello,
We, AtlanMod team (an INRIA-EMN team led by Jean Bézivin), are
interested in participating to the PMF project. We have experience in
several Eclipse projects: M2M (model-to-model transformation with
ATL), GMT with the AM3, AMW, and Modisco components, and TMF with the
TCS component.
During his Ph.D. on Model Driven Adaptation of User Interfaces (UI)
Jean-Sébastien experienced the usage of model-to-model transformation
(M2M) as well as model-to-text (M2T), to generated user interfaces. He
unified around a generic UI model code generation from abstract and
data model to technology such as XUL, XAML, HTML and Swing.
We are in relation with other interested parties such as Obeo, etc.
We will be glad to participate to the PMF and we are willing to share
our experience of model-to-model (M2M) transformations usage for UI.
Best regards,
AtlanMod team
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Re: [PMF] Feedback about the PMF project [message #383576 is a reply to message #383574] |
Thu, 11 December 2008 19:39 |
Jim Van Dam Messages: 38 Registered: July 2009 |
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Hi Jean-Sebastien,
Good to hear from your team. We are very interested in anyone with
experience and technology for UI modeling whishing to
contribute/participate.
You can see the PMF abstract here: http://www.eclipse.org/proposals/pmf/
and Yves POC demo here: http://www.soyatec.com/eface/video/PMF.html
The spectrum for UI Models can range from purely PIM (far left) to a 1-1
mapping of a UI platform (far right).
PMF will likely be a gathering place of all parties interested in UI
Modeling, transformation and generation to specific technical UI platforms.
I expect PMF by the end of 2009 to consist of:
1) A clear PIM level metamodel and tooling to edit and transform
2) A number of metamodels and accompanying support tools to edit and
transform for different locations on the spectrum between PIM and target
platform technology
3) A number of examples of transformations to different supported UI
platforms like SWT/JFace/RCP, JSF, e4 (and maybe also Swing, ASP.Net,
GWT, Flash, XAML, etc...)
Could you give us some links to the work you have been doing concerning
UI Modeling?
Since the proposal went public we have gathered quite an impressive
group of people eager to participate which is very encouraging.
We would very much welcome participation from your team
and look forward to discussing UI modeling and transformations with the
AtlanMod team.
Regards,
Jim
> Hello,
>
> We, AtlanMod team (an INRIA-EMN team led by Jean Bézivin), are
> interested in participating to the PMF project. We have experience in
> several Eclipse projects: M2M (model-to-model transformation with
> ATL), GMT with the AM3, AMW, and Modisco components, and TMF with the
> TCS component.
>
> During his Ph.D. on Model Driven Adaptation of User Interfaces (UI)
> Jean-Sébastien experienced the usage of model-to-model transformation
> (M2M) as well as model-to-text (M2T), to generated user interfaces. He
> unified around a generic UI model code generation from abstract and
> data model to technology such as XUL, XAML, HTML and Swing.
>
> We are in relation with other interested parties such as Obeo, etc.
>
> We will be glad to participate to the PMF and we are willing to share
> our experience of model-to-model (M2M) transformations usage for UI.
>
> Best regards,
>
> AtlanMod team
>
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Re: [PMF] Feedback about the PMF project [message #383580 is a reply to message #383576] |
Fri, 12 December 2008 09:02 |
Thomas Schindl Messages: 6651 Registered: July 2009 |
Senior Member |
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Hi Jim,
Could you add me:
Tom Schindl/BestSoltion.at
as an interested party to your proposal. I'd be interested in the
e4-stuff and transformation to UFaceKit-API [1] which will hopefully get
an Ecore-Model soon.
Tom
[1]http://www.eclipse.org/proposals/ufacekit/
Jim van Dam schrieb:
> Hi Jean-Sebastien,
>
> Good to hear from your team. We are very interested in anyone with
> experience and technology for UI modeling whishing to
> contribute/participate.
> You can see the PMF abstract here: http://www.eclipse.org/proposals/pmf/
> and Yves POC demo here: http://www.soyatec.com/eface/video/PMF.html
>
> The spectrum for UI Models can range from purely PIM (far left) to a 1-1
> mapping of a UI platform (far right).
> PMF will likely be a gathering place of all parties interested in UI
> Modeling, transformation and generation to specific technical UI platforms.
> I expect PMF by the end of 2009 to consist of:
> 1) A clear PIM level metamodel and tooling to edit and transform
> 2) A number of metamodels and accompanying support tools to edit and
> transform for different locations on the spectrum between PIM and target
> platform technology
> 3) A number of examples of transformations to different supported UI
> platforms like SWT/JFace/RCP, JSF, e4 (and maybe also Swing, ASP.Net,
> GWT, Flash, XAML, etc...)
>
> Could you give us some links to the work you have been doing concerning
> UI Modeling?
>
> Since the proposal went public we have gathered quite an impressive
> group of people eager to participate which is very encouraging.
> We would very much welcome participation from your team
> and look forward to discussing UI modeling and transformations with the
> AtlanMod team.
>
> Regards,
>
> Jim
>
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> We, AtlanMod team (an INRIA-EMN team led by Jean Bézivin), are
>> interested in participating to the PMF project. We have experience in
>> several Eclipse projects: M2M (model-to-model transformation with
>> ATL), GMT with the AM3, AMW, and Modisco components, and TMF with the
>> TCS component.
>>
>> During his Ph.D. on Model Driven Adaptation of User Interfaces (UI)
>> Jean-Sébastien experienced the usage of model-to-model transformation
>> (M2M) as well as model-to-text (M2T), to generated user interfaces. He
>> unified around a generic UI model code generation from abstract and
>> data model to technology such as XUL, XAML, HTML and Swing.
>>
>> We are in relation with other interested parties such as Obeo, etc.
>>
>> We will be glad to participate to the PMF and we are willing to share
>> our experience of model-to-model (M2M) transformations usage for UI.
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> AtlanMod team
>>
--
B e s t S o l u t i o n . at
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Tom Schindl JFace-Committer
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Re: [PMF] Feedback about the PMF project [message #383582 is a reply to message #383578] |
Sat, 13 December 2008 01:47 |
Jim Van Dam Messages: 38 Registered: July 2009 |
Member |
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Hi Thomas,
> As I far as I can see it's time to
> indroduce a common abstraction layer for user interface
We think so too. Thank you for your interest.
There will plenty of ways to participate in PMF I am sure
as it is heading to become an umbrella project for the different
possible levels of UI modeling and transformation efforts.
Regards,
Jim
Thomas wrote:
> HI,
>
> I have found initial interest in what you are doing with PMF. I've been
> thinking (mostly on my own) about abstraction layers in ui modeling.
>
>
> Currently I'm still hand coding my UI's mostly on SWT, Ive seen Swing,
> JSF, GWT, and to some extend XAML. As I far as I can see it's time to
> indroduce a common abstraction layer for user interface, and for that I
> would be happy if I can get involved in some way, and get my hands on
> the real thing.
>
> Regards Thomas
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Re: [PMF] Feedback about the PMF project [message #383869 is a reply to message #383578] |
Sun, 14 December 2008 14:29 |
Yves YANG Messages: 688 Registered: July 2009 |
Senior Member |
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For sure, a common abstraction layer is a big missing in Java. It seems it
is not a technical issue, but political one. For me, JavaFX is big joke.
Could we add you in the interested parties?
Best regards
Yves YANG
"Thomas" <thomas.kratz@eiswind.de> wrote in message
news:ght90j$9ht$1@build.eclipse.org...
> HI,
>
> I have found initial interest in what you are doing with PMF. I've been
> thinking (mostly on my own) about abstraction layers in ui modeling.
>
>
> Currently I'm still hand coding my UI's mostly on SWT, Ive seen Swing,
> JSF, GWT, and to some extend XAML. As I far as I can see it's time to
> indroduce a common abstraction layer for user interface, and for that I
> would be happy if I can get involved in some way, and get my hands on the
> real thing.
>
> Regards Thomas
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Re: [PMF] Feedback about the PMF project [message #613650 is a reply to message #383574] |
Thu, 11 December 2008 19:39 |
Jim Van Dam Messages: 38 Registered: July 2009 |
Member |
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Hi Jean-Sebastien,
Good to hear from your team. We are very interested in anyone with
experience and technology for UI modeling whishing to
contribute/participate.
You can see the PMF abstract here: http://www.eclipse.org/proposals/pmf/
and Yves POC demo here: http://www.soyatec.com/eface/video/PMF.html
The spectrum for UI Models can range from purely PIM (far left) to a 1-1
mapping of a UI platform (far right).
PMF will likely be a gathering place of all parties interested in UI
Modeling, transformation and generation to specific technical UI platforms.
I expect PMF by the end of 2009 to consist of:
1) A clear PIM level metamodel and tooling to edit and transform
2) A number of metamodels and accompanying support tools to edit and
transform for different locations on the spectrum between PIM and target
platform technology
3) A number of examples of transformations to different supported UI
platforms like SWT/JFace/RCP, JSF, e4 (and maybe also Swing, ASP.Net,
GWT, Flash, XAML, etc...)
Could you give us some links to the work you have been doing concerning
UI Modeling?
Since the proposal went public we have gathered quite an impressive
group of people eager to participate which is very encouraging.
We would very much welcome participation from your team
and look forward to discussing UI modeling and transformations with the
AtlanMod team.
Regards,
Jim
> Hello,
>
> We, AtlanMod team (an INRIA-EMN team led by Jean Bézivin), are
> interested in participating to the PMF project. We have experience in
> several Eclipse projects: M2M (model-to-model transformation with
> ATL), GMT with the AM3, AMW, and Modisco components, and TMF with the
> TCS component.
>
> During his Ph.D. on Model Driven Adaptation of User Interfaces (UI)
> Jean-Sébastien experienced the usage of model-to-model transformation
> (M2M) as well as model-to-text (M2T), to generated user interfaces. He
> unified around a generic UI model code generation from abstract and
> data model to technology such as XUL, XAML, HTML and Swing.
>
> We are in relation with other interested parties such as Obeo, etc.
>
> We will be glad to participate to the PMF and we are willing to share
> our experience of model-to-model (M2M) transformations usage for UI.
>
> Best regards,
>
> AtlanMod team
>
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Re: [PMF] Feedback about the PMF project [message #613657 is a reply to message #383576] |
Fri, 12 December 2008 09:02 |
Thomas Schindl Messages: 6651 Registered: July 2009 |
Senior Member |
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Hi Jim,
Could you add me:
Tom Schindl/BestSoltion.at
as an interested party to your proposal. I'd be interested in the
e4-stuff and transformation to UFaceKit-API [1] which will hopefully get
an Ecore-Model soon.
Tom
[1]http://www.eclipse.org/proposals/ufacekit/
Jim van Dam schrieb:
> Hi Jean-Sebastien,
>
> Good to hear from your team. We are very interested in anyone with
> experience and technology for UI modeling whishing to
> contribute/participate.
> You can see the PMF abstract here: http://www.eclipse.org/proposals/pmf/
> and Yves POC demo here: http://www.soyatec.com/eface/video/PMF.html
>
> The spectrum for UI Models can range from purely PIM (far left) to a 1-1
> mapping of a UI platform (far right).
> PMF will likely be a gathering place of all parties interested in UI
> Modeling, transformation and generation to specific technical UI platforms.
> I expect PMF by the end of 2009 to consist of:
> 1) A clear PIM level metamodel and tooling to edit and transform
> 2) A number of metamodels and accompanying support tools to edit and
> transform for different locations on the spectrum between PIM and target
> platform technology
> 3) A number of examples of transformations to different supported UI
> platforms like SWT/JFace/RCP, JSF, e4 (and maybe also Swing, ASP.Net,
> GWT, Flash, XAML, etc...)
>
> Could you give us some links to the work you have been doing concerning
> UI Modeling?
>
> Since the proposal went public we have gathered quite an impressive
> group of people eager to participate which is very encouraging.
> We would very much welcome participation from your team
> and look forward to discussing UI modeling and transformations with the
> AtlanMod team.
>
> Regards,
>
> Jim
>
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> We, AtlanMod team (an INRIA-EMN team led by Jean Bézivin), are
>> interested in participating to the PMF project. We have experience in
>> several Eclipse projects: M2M (model-to-model transformation with
>> ATL), GMT with the AM3, AMW, and Modisco components, and TMF with the
>> TCS component.
>>
>> During his Ph.D. on Model Driven Adaptation of User Interfaces (UI)
>> Jean-Sébastien experienced the usage of model-to-model transformation
>> (M2M) as well as model-to-text (M2T), to generated user interfaces. He
>> unified around a generic UI model code generation from abstract and
>> data model to technology such as XUL, XAML, HTML and Swing.
>>
>> We are in relation with other interested parties such as Obeo, etc.
>>
>> We will be glad to participate to the PMF and we are willing to share
>> our experience of model-to-model (M2M) transformations usage for UI.
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> AtlanMod team
>>
--
B e s t S o l u t i o n . at
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Tom Schindl JFace-Committer
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Re: [PMF] Feedback about the PMF project [message #613660 is a reply to message #383578] |
Sat, 13 December 2008 01:47 |
Jim Van Dam Messages: 38 Registered: July 2009 |
Member |
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Hi Thomas,
> As I far as I can see it's time to
> indroduce a common abstraction layer for user interface
We think so too. Thank you for your interest.
There will plenty of ways to participate in PMF I am sure
as it is heading to become an umbrella project for the different
possible levels of UI modeling and transformation efforts.
Regards,
Jim
Thomas wrote:
> HI,
>
> I have found initial interest in what you are doing with PMF. I've been
> thinking (mostly on my own) about abstraction layers in ui modeling.
>
>
> Currently I'm still hand coding my UI's mostly on SWT, Ive seen Swing,
> JSF, GWT, and to some extend XAML. As I far as I can see it's time to
> indroduce a common abstraction layer for user interface, and for that I
> would be happy if I can get involved in some way, and get my hands on
> the real thing.
>
> Regards Thomas
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Re: [PMF] Feedback about the PMF project [message #613804 is a reply to message #383578] |
Sun, 14 December 2008 14:29 |
Yves YANG Messages: 688 Registered: July 2009 |
Senior Member |
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For sure, a common abstraction layer is a big missing in Java. It seems it
is not a technical issue, but political one. For me, JavaFX is big joke.
Could we add you in the interested parties?
Best regards
Yves YANG
"Thomas" <thomas.kratz@eiswind.de> wrote in message
news:ght90j$9ht$1@build.eclipse.org...
> HI,
>
> I have found initial interest in what you are doing with PMF. I've been
> thinking (mostly on my own) about abstraction layers in ui modeling.
>
>
> Currently I'm still hand coding my UI's mostly on SWT, Ive seen Swing,
> JSF, GWT, and to some extend XAML. As I far as I can see it's time to
> indroduce a common abstraction layer for user interface, and for that I
> would be happy if I can get involved in some way, and get my hands on the
> real thing.
>
> Regards Thomas
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