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Mon, 16 June 2003 05:25

Eclipse User

Hi,

I would like to understand the reason why the eclipse user 'forums' are
hosted using usenet news?

I myself started using news 11 years ago and I like it, but in my mind
there are a few reasons not to use it for this purpose:

Cons:

1) Firewalls have been popping up like crazy all over the place. 99% of
the time this cuts off access to news directly. (No you cannot get your
admin to change this as most of the time he is a far bigger idiot than you)

2) Web interfaces like this current forum, sucks. It would be better if
you could
search it and access archives.

3) Its not searchable unless you have access to the archives.

4) All information going back years aren't available in general.

Pros:

1) Spam less common.
2) Probably less network intensive as it is based on selective pull
instead of push.

My main gripes are archives and searchability as you want to find data
that is relevant when you want than accessing the newsgroup on a regular
basis.

What do other users think?

Re: Why newsgroups? [message #75145 is a reply to message #75124]

Mon, 16 June 2003 05:34

Eclipse User

Originally posted by: daniel.megert.gmx.net

Alwyn Schoeman wrote:

>Hi,
>
>I would like to understand the reason why the eclipse user 'forums' are
>hosted using usenet news?
>
>I myself started using news 11 years ago and I like it, but in my mind
>there are a few reasons not to use it for this purpose:
>
>Cons:
>
>1) Firewalls have been popping up like crazy all over the place. 99% of
>the time this cuts off access to news directly. (No you cannot get your
>admin to change this as most of the time he is a far bigger idiot than you)
>
>2) Web interfaces like this current forum, sucks. It would be better if
>you could
>search it and access archives.
>
>3) Its not searchable unless you have access to the archives.
>
http://www.eclipse.org/search/search.cgi

>
>4) All information going back years aren't available in general.
>
As long as Eclipse.org exists see 3)

HTH
Dani

Re: Why newsgroups? [message #75311 is a reply to message #75124]

Mon, 16 June 2003 08:05

Eclipse User

Originally posted by: adam_kiezun.ch.ibm.spam.protection.com

maybe it's because newgroups are simply better?
(threads, no spam mail, able to ignore and mark threads etc.)

> 2) Web interfaces like this current forum, sucks. It would be better if
> you could search it and access archives.

use a newreader- i use ms outlook and i'm a happy user of it
a.
--
eclipse.org

Re: Why newsgroups? [message #75749 is a reply to message #75124]

Mon, 16 June 2003 13:50

Eclipse User

Alwyn Schoeman wrote:
> Hi,
>

<snip-lot-of-babble/>

>
> What do other users think?
>

You haven't found a decent news-agent after 11 years?

I'm using mozilla as my agent and it works fairly well:
http://www.mozilla.org/

Here is the eclipse nntp-server:
news://news.eclipse.org

This is the-mailinglists:
http://eclipse.org/mail/index.html

And here you can search the archives if you choose not to do so with
your news-agent:
http://eclipse.org/search/search.cgi

Stein

Re: Why newsgroups? [message #76040 is a reply to message #75311]

Tue, 17 June 2003 03:04

Eclipse User

> > 2) Web interfaces like this current forum, sucks. It would be better if
> > you could search it and access archives.
>
> use a newreader- i use ms outlook and i'm a happy user of it

Same here (Outlook Express). But he babbled something about
firewalls (come on admins are just humans - they deserve respect
to get them to work).

Re: Why newsgroups? [message #77003 is a reply to message #75124]

Tue, 17 June 2003 17:54

Eclipse User

Originally posted by: John_Arthorne.oti.com_

Alwyn Schoeman wrote:
> 3) Its not searchable unless you have access to the archives.
>
> 4) All information going back years aren't available in general.

In addition to the eclipse.org search page, you can access web-based
archives here:

http://dev.eclipse.org/newslists/news.eclipse.platform/maill ist.html
http://dev.eclipse.org/newslists/news.eclipse.tools/maillist .html
.... etc ...

[OT] Re: Why newsgroups? [message #77152 is a reply to message #76040]

Tue, 17 June 2003 19:14

Eclipse User

Originally posted by: alex.fitzpatrick.rogers.com

Martin Kersten wrote:
>>>2) Web interfaces like this current forum, sucks. It would be better if
>>>you could search it and access archives.
>>
>>use a newreader- i use ms outlook and i'm a happy user of it
>
> Same here (Outlook Express). But he babbled something about
> firewalls (come on admins are just humans - they deserve respect
> to get them to work).

Respect is useful, but so are dire threats and bribery...

--
Alex

Re: Why newsgroups? [message #77574 is a reply to message #75749]

Wed, 18 June 2003 07:56

Eclipse User

Originally posted by: parora.veritas.com

Any free and reliabale nntp server where i can access (read and post)
messages to newsgroups like comp.lang.java.* ,etc :) ?

~Parvinder

"Stein M. Eliassen" <dulci@start.no> wrote in message
news:bcl03e$joj$1@rogue.oti.com...
> Alwyn Schoeman wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
>
> <snip-lot-of-babble/>
>
> >
> > What do other users think?
> >
>
> You haven't found a decent news-agent after 11 years?
>
> I'm using mozilla as my agent and it works fairly well:
> http://www.mozilla.org/
>
> Here is the eclipse nntp-server:
> news://news.eclipse.org
>
> This is the-mailinglists:
> http://eclipse.org/mail/index.html
>
> And here you can search the archives if you choose not to do so with
> your news-agent:
> http://eclipse.org/search/search.cgi
>
> Stein
>

Re: Why newsgroups? [message #77700 is a reply to message #77574]

Wed, 18 June 2003 11:00

Eclipse User

Originally posted by: burner.zclipse.org

On Wed, 18 Jun 2003 17:26:00 +0530, Parvinder Singh Arora wrote:

> Any free and reliabale nntp server where i can access (read and post)
> messages to newsgroups like comp.lang.java.* ,etc :) ?

Check with your ISP.

>
> ~Parvinder

Re: Why newsgroups? [message #77715 is a reply to message #77574]

Wed, 18 June 2003 11:02

Eclipse User

Originally posted by: stein.m.eliassen.start.no

Parvinder Singh Arora wrote:
> Any free and reliabale nntp server where i can access (read and post)
> messages to newsgroups like comp.lang.java.* ,etc :) ?
>

I don't know of any, if your isp don't provide one you can try google:
http://www.google.com/search?q=public+nntp

Stein

Re: Why newsgroups? [message #78634 is a reply to message #75145]

Thu, 19 June 2003 15:44

Eclipse User

I agree that the search interface could be improved (as well as the
search accuracy, which is still an issue).
Google or even google-like interface could be very good idea.
(I think that if Mr Palmisano (CEO, IBM) calls Dr Schmidt (CEO, Google)
they can work out a deal :)

Genady

Daniel Megert wrote:
> Alwyn Schoeman wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I would like to understand the reason why the eclipse user 'forums' are
>> hosted using usenet news?
>>
>> I myself started using news 11 years ago and I like it, but in my mind
>> there are a few reasons not to use it for this purpose:
>>
>> Cons:
>>
>> 1) Firewalls have been popping up like crazy all over the place. 99% of
>> the time this cuts off access to news directly. (No you cannot get your
>> admin to change this as most of the time he is a far bigger idiot than
>> you)
>>
>> 2) Web interfaces like this current forum, sucks. It would be better if
>> you could search it and access archives.
>>
>> 3) Its not searchable unless you have access to the archives.
>>
> http://www.eclipse.org/search/search.cgi
>
>>
>> 4) All information going back years aren't available in general.
>>
> As long as Eclipse.org exists see 3)
>
> HTH
> Dani
>

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