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| Offer of help [message #80] |
Mon, 07 March 2005 19:38  |
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Originally posted by: mail.martynroberts.com
Hi, I'm the author of schemester - http://www.schemester.com . It's a neat
little tool, but now a chore to work on... for starters it's not written in
Java :(
I would be very interested in embracing open source and redirecting my
efforts towards this project.
Martyn
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| Re: Offer of help [message #86 is a reply to message #83] |
Wed, 09 March 2005 19:46  |
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Originally posted by: mail.martynroberts.com
John Graham wrote:
> Welcome, Martyn! We're happy to receive offers to help! There's been some
> recent activity around modeling with the Borland announcement:
>
> http://www.borland.com/news/press_releases/2005/02_28_05_bor land_amplifies_eclipse_support.html
>
> Perhaps there is a way that DTP can leverage this effort to specialize
> data
> modeling components? It is certainly something to discuss. Please let me
> know your thoughts around this and how you would like to proceed.
>
> Thanks,
> John Graham
> john.graham@sybase.com
> Eclipse DTP
>
> "Martyn Roberts" <mail@martynroberts.com> wrote in message
> news:d0is59$j0v$1@www.eclipse.org...
>
> >Hi, I'm the author of schemester - http://www.schemester.com . It's a
> neat
> >little tool, but now a chore to work on... for starters it's not written
> >in Java :(
> >
> >I would be very interested in embracing open source and redirecting my
> >efforts towards this project.
> >
> >Martyn
> >
>
>
>
Hi John,
A graphical modelling tool would be an excellent addition to the DTP.
Re-using developments in the same space is certainly the way to go, so
what Borland do would most definitely be of interest. Where the link to
the DTP comes in is, as you say, the specialisation of such tools for
the database, which would build on the DTP foundation APIs.
My interest is not solely in visual modelling. Once you regard your
database as a kind of constrained model then you can make use of the
techniques common place in that arena, for example design patterns and
refactoring. For more on this see Scott Ambler's website
http://www.agiledata.org. There is a lot of scope here for creating
tools to perform such techniques. The details of how such tools would
work, especially in a vendor neutral environment, I have not worked out
but it would be a very interesting exercise. For example the DTP ETL API
could be employed in certain refactorings.
From the perspective of creating other practical tools to aid the
database developer the following would be of interest:
* Automated code reviewing, something akin to checkstyle.
* Automated design analysis, something akin to jdepend.
* Text based repository for database objects. Something that would be
used for source control and incremental deployment.
On how to proceed I am open to suggestions. I am interested in
co-developing both ideas and code.
regards,
Martyn
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| Re: Offer of help [message #92 is a reply to message #86] |
Fri, 11 March 2005 11:36 |
| Eclipse User |
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Originally posted by: john.graham.sybase.com
Martyn,
Your ideas sound very interesting, and I think something around this area
would be a great addition to DTP. You've provided a fair amount of
description in this thread: would you be open to working with me on a
(sub)project proposal that we could add to the existing DTP proposal online?
This would allow for greater community feedback and (we hope :-) ) offers
for additional collaboration.
-- John Graham
john.graham@sybase.com
Eclipse DTP
"Martyn Roberts" <mail@martynroberts.com> wrote in message
news:d0o5dh$a7i$1@www.eclipse.org...
> John Graham wrote:
>
>> Welcome, Martyn! We're happy to receive offers to help! There's been some
>> recent activity around modeling with the Borland announcement:
>>
>> http://www.borland.com/news/press_releases/2005/02_28_05_bor land_amplifies_eclipse_support.html
>>
>> Perhaps there is a way that DTP can leverage this effort to specialize
>> data
>> modeling components? It is certainly something to discuss. Please let me
>> know your thoughts around this and how you would like to proceed.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> John Graham
>> john.graham@sybase.com
>> Eclipse DTP
>>
>> "Martyn Roberts" <mail@martynroberts.com> wrote in message
>> news:d0is59$j0v$1@www.eclipse.org...
>>
>> >Hi, I'm the author of schemester - http://www.schemester.com . It's a
>> neat
>> >little tool, but now a chore to work on... for starters it's not written
>> >in Java :(
>> >
>> >I would be very interested in embracing open source and redirecting my
>> >efforts towards this project.
>> >
>> >Martyn
>> >
>>
>>
>>
> Hi John,
>
> A graphical modelling tool would be an excellent addition to the DTP.
> Re-using developments in the same space is certainly the way to go, so
> what Borland do would most definitely be of interest. Where the link to
> the DTP comes in is, as you say, the specialisation of such tools for the
> database, which would build on the DTP foundation APIs.
>
> My interest is not solely in visual modelling. Once you regard your
> database as a kind of constrained model then you can make use of the
> techniques common place in that arena, for example design patterns and
> refactoring. For more on this see Scott Ambler's website
> http://www.agiledata.org. There is a lot of scope here for creating tools
> to perform such techniques. The details of how such tools would work,
> especially in a vendor neutral environment, I have not worked out but it
> would be a very interesting exercise. For example the DTP ETL API could be
> employed in certain refactorings.
>
> From the perspective of creating other practical tools to aid the database
> developer the following would be of interest:
> * Automated code reviewing, something akin to checkstyle.
> * Automated design analysis, something akin to jdepend.
> * Text based repository for database objects. Something that would be used
> for source control and incremental deployment.
>
> On how to proceed I am open to suggestions. I am interested in
> co-developing both ideas and code.
>
> regards,
> Martyn
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| Re: Offer of help [message #106 is a reply to message #92] |
Mon, 14 March 2005 18:14 |
| Eclipse User |
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Originally posted by: mail.martynroberts.com
Hi John,
I would be delighted to work with you on a sub-project proposal.
John Graham wrote:
> Martyn,
>
> Your ideas sound very interesting, and I think something around this area
> would be a great addition to DTP. You've provided a fair amount of
> description in this thread: would you be open to working with me on a
> (sub)project proposal that we could add to the existing DTP proposal online?
> This would allow for greater community feedback and (we hope :-) ) offers
> for additional collaboration.
>
> -- John Graham
> john.graham@sybase.com
> Eclipse DTP
>
> "Martyn Roberts" <mail@martynroberts.com> wrote in message
> news:d0o5dh$a7i$1@www.eclipse.org...
>
>>John Graham wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Welcome, Martyn! We're happy to receive offers to help! There's been some
>>>recent activity around modeling with the Borland announcement:
>>>
>>> http://www.borland.com/news/press_releases/2005/02_28_05_bor land_amplifies_eclipse_support.html
>>>
>>>Perhaps there is a way that DTP can leverage this effort to specialize
>>>data
>>>modeling components? It is certainly something to discuss. Please let me
>>>know your thoughts around this and how you would like to proceed.
>>>
>>>Thanks,
>>>John Graham
>>>john.graham@sybase.com
>>>Eclipse DTP
>>>
>>>"Martyn Roberts" <mail@martynroberts.com> wrote in message
>>>news:d0is59$j0v$1@www.eclipse.org...
>>>
>>>
>>>>Hi, I'm the author of schemester - http://www.schemester.com . It's a
>>>
>>>neat
>>>
>>>>little tool, but now a chore to work on... for starters it's not written
>>>>in Java :(
>>>>
>>>>I would be very interested in embracing open source and redirecting my
>>>>efforts towards this project.
>>>>
>>>>Martyn
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>Hi John,
>>
>>A graphical modelling tool would be an excellent addition to the DTP.
>>Re-using developments in the same space is certainly the way to go, so
>>what Borland do would most definitely be of interest. Where the link to
>>the DTP comes in is, as you say, the specialisation of such tools for the
>>database, which would build on the DTP foundation APIs.
>>
>>My interest is not solely in visual modelling. Once you regard your
>>database as a kind of constrained model then you can make use of the
>>techniques common place in that arena, for example design patterns and
>>refactoring. For more on this see Scott Ambler's website
>>http://www.agiledata.org. There is a lot of scope here for creating tools
>>to perform such techniques. The details of how such tools would work,
>>especially in a vendor neutral environment, I have not worked out but it
>>would be a very interesting exercise. For example the DTP ETL API could be
>>employed in certain refactorings.
>>
>>From the perspective of creating other practical tools to aid the database
>>developer the following would be of interest:
>>* Automated code reviewing, something akin to checkstyle.
>>* Automated design analysis, something akin to jdepend.
>>* Text based repository for database objects. Something that would be used
>>for source control and incremental deployment.
>>
>>On how to proceed I am open to suggestions. I am interested in
>>co-developing both ideas and code.
>>
>>regards,
>>Martyn
>
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| Re: Offer of help [message #109 is a reply to message #106] |
Mon, 14 March 2005 20:35 |
| Eclipse User |
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Originally posted by: john.graham.sybase.com
Hi Martyn:
That great -- it will be lots of fun! :-)
Let me put together some contacts/document formats, and I'll get back to you
soon with how we should proceed.
-- John Graham
john.graham@sybase.com
Eclipse DTP
"Martyn Roberts" <mail@martynroberts.com> wrote in message
news:d155s3$n9$1@www.eclipse.org...
> Hi John,
>
> I would be delighted to work with you on a sub-project proposal.
>
> John Graham wrote:
>> Martyn,
>>
>> Your ideas sound very interesting, and I think something around this area
>> would be a great addition to DTP. You've provided a fair amount of
>> description in this thread: would you be open to working with me on a
>> (sub)project proposal that we could add to the existing DTP proposal
>> online? This would allow for greater community feedback and (we hope
>> -) ) offers for additional collaboration.
>>
>> -- John Graham
>> john.graham@sybase.com
>> Eclipse DTP
>>
>> "Martyn Roberts" <mail@martynroberts.com> wrote in message
>> news:d0o5dh$a7i$1@www.eclipse.org...
>>
>>>John Graham wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Welcome, Martyn! We're happy to receive offers to help! There's been
>>>>some
>>>>recent activity around modeling with the Borland announcement:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.borland.com/news/press_releases/2005/02_28_05_bor land_amplifies_eclipse_support.html
>>>>
>>>>Perhaps there is a way that DTP can leverage this effort to specialize
>>>>data
>>>>modeling components? It is certainly something to discuss. Please let me
>>>>know your thoughts around this and how you would like to proceed.
>>>>
>>>>Thanks,
>>>>John Graham
>>>>john.graham@sybase.com
>>>>Eclipse DTP
>>>>
>>>>"Martyn Roberts" <mail@martynroberts.com> wrote in message
>>>>news:d0is59$j0v$1@www.eclipse.org...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Hi, I'm the author of schemester - http://www.schemester.com . It's a
>>>>
>>>>neat
>>>>
>>>>>little tool, but now a chore to work on... for starters it's not
>>>>>written
>>>>>in Java :(
>>>>>
>>>>>I would be very interested in embracing open source and redirecting my
>>>>>efforts towards this project.
>>>>>
>>>>>Martyn
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>Hi John,
>>>
>>>A graphical modelling tool would be an excellent addition to the DTP.
>>>Re-using developments in the same space is certainly the way to go, so
>>>what Borland do would most definitely be of interest. Where the link to
>>>the DTP comes in is, as you say, the specialisation of such tools for the
>>>database, which would build on the DTP foundation APIs.
>>>
>>>My interest is not solely in visual modelling. Once you regard your
>>>database as a kind of constrained model then you can make use of the
>>>techniques common place in that arena, for example design patterns and
>>>refactoring. For more on this see Scott Ambler's website
>>>http://www.agiledata.org. There is a lot of scope here for creating tools
>>>to perform such techniques. The details of how such tools would work,
>>>especially in a vendor neutral environment, I have not worked out but it
>>>would be a very interesting exercise. For example the DTP ETL API could
>>>be employed in certain refactorings.
>>>
>>>From the perspective of creating other practical tools to aid the
>>>database developer the following would be of interest:
>>>* Automated code reviewing, something akin to checkstyle.
>>>* Automated design analysis, something akin to jdepend.
>>>* Text based repository for database objects. Something that would be
>>>used for source control and incremental deployment.
>>>
>>>On how to proceed I am open to suggestions. I am interested in
>>>co-developing both ideas and code.
>>>
>>>regards,
>>>Martyn
>>
>>
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| Re: Offer of help [message #563870 is a reply to message #83] |
Wed, 09 March 2005 19:46 |
| Eclipse User |
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Originally posted by: mail.martynroberts.com
John Graham wrote:
> Welcome, Martyn! We're happy to receive offers to help! There's been some
> recent activity around modeling with the Borland announcement:
>
> http://www.borland.com/news/press_releases/2005/02_28_05_bor land_amplifies_eclipse_support.html
>
> Perhaps there is a way that DTP can leverage this effort to specialize
> data
> modeling components? It is certainly something to discuss. Please let me
> know your thoughts around this and how you would like to proceed.
>
> Thanks,
> John Graham
> john.graham@sybase.com
> Eclipse DTP
>
> "Martyn Roberts" <mail@martynroberts.com> wrote in message
> news:d0is59$j0v$1@www.eclipse.org...
>
> >Hi, I'm the author of schemester - http://www.schemester.com . It's a
> neat
> >little tool, but now a chore to work on... for starters it's not written
> >in Java :(
> >
> >I would be very interested in embracing open source and redirecting my
> >efforts towards this project.
> >
> >Martyn
> >
>
>
>
Hi John,
A graphical modelling tool would be an excellent addition to the DTP.
Re-using developments in the same space is certainly the way to go, so
what Borland do would most definitely be of interest. Where the link to
the DTP comes in is, as you say, the specialisation of such tools for
the database, which would build on the DTP foundation APIs.
My interest is not solely in visual modelling. Once you regard your
database as a kind of constrained model then you can make use of the
techniques common place in that arena, for example design patterns and
refactoring. For more on this see Scott Ambler's website
http://www.agiledata.org There is a lot of scope here for creating
tools to perform such techniques. The details of how such tools would
work, especially in a vendor neutral environment, I have not worked out
but it would be a very interesting exercise. For example the DTP ETL API
could be employed in certain refactorings.
From the perspective of creating other practical tools to aid the
database developer the following would be of interest:
* Automated code reviewing, something akin to checkstyle.
* Automated design analysis, something akin to jdepend.
* Text based repository for database objects. Something that would be
used for source control and incremental deployment.
On how to proceed I am open to suggestions. I am interested in
co-developing both ideas and code.
regards,
Martyn
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| Re: Offer of help [message #563967 is a reply to message #86] |
Fri, 11 March 2005 11:36 |
| Eclipse User |
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Martyn,
Your ideas sound very interesting, and I think something around this area
would be a great addition to DTP. You've provided a fair amount of
description in this thread: would you be open to working with me on a
(sub)project proposal that we could add to the existing DTP proposal online?
This would allow for greater community feedback and (we hope :-) ) offers
for additional collaboration.
-- John Graham
john.graham@sybase.com
Eclipse DTP
"Martyn Roberts" <mail@martynroberts.com> wrote in message
news:d0o5dh$a7i$1@www.eclipse.org...
> John Graham wrote:
>
>> Welcome, Martyn! We're happy to receive offers to help! There's been some
>> recent activity around modeling with the Borland announcement:
>>
>> http://www.borland.com/news/press_releases/2005/02_28_05_bor land_amplifies_eclipse_support.html
>>
>> Perhaps there is a way that DTP can leverage this effort to specialize
>> data
>> modeling components? It is certainly something to discuss. Please let me
>> know your thoughts around this and how you would like to proceed.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> John Graham
>> john.graham@sybase.com
>> Eclipse DTP
>>
>> "Martyn Roberts" <mail@martynroberts.com> wrote in message
>> news:d0is59$j0v$1@www.eclipse.org...
>>
>> >Hi, I'm the author of schemester - http://www.schemester.com . It's a
>> neat
>> >little tool, but now a chore to work on... for starters it's not written
>> >in Java :(
>> >
>> >I would be very interested in embracing open source and redirecting my
>> >efforts towards this project.
>> >
>> >Martyn
>> >
>>
>>
>>
> Hi John,
>
> A graphical modelling tool would be an excellent addition to the DTP.
> Re-using developments in the same space is certainly the way to go, so
> what Borland do would most definitely be of interest. Where the link to
> the DTP comes in is, as you say, the specialisation of such tools for the
> database, which would build on the DTP foundation APIs.
>
> My interest is not solely in visual modelling. Once you regard your
> database as a kind of constrained model then you can make use of the
> techniques common place in that arena, for example design patterns and
> refactoring. For more on this see Scott Ambler's website
> http://www.agiledata.org There is a lot of scope here for creating tools
> to perform such techniques. The details of how such tools would work,
> especially in a vendor neutral environment, I have not worked out but it
> would be a very interesting exercise. For example the DTP ETL API could be
> employed in certain refactorings.
>
> From the perspective of creating other practical tools to aid the database
> developer the following would be of interest:
> * Automated code reviewing, something akin to checkstyle.
> * Automated design analysis, something akin to jdepend.
> * Text based repository for database objects. Something that would be used
> for source control and incremental deployment.
>
> On how to proceed I am open to suggestions. I am interested in
> co-developing both ideas and code.
>
> regards,
> Martyn
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| Re: Offer of help [message #564208 is a reply to message #92] |
Mon, 14 March 2005 18:14 |
| Eclipse User |
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Originally posted by: mail.martynroberts.com
Hi John,
I would be delighted to work with you on a sub-project proposal.
John Graham wrote:
> Martyn,
>
> Your ideas sound very interesting, and I think something around this area
> would be a great addition to DTP. You've provided a fair amount of
> description in this thread: would you be open to working with me on a
> (sub)project proposal that we could add to the existing DTP proposal online?
> This would allow for greater community feedback and (we hope :-) ) offers
> for additional collaboration.
>
> -- John Graham
> john.graham@sybase.com
> Eclipse DTP
>
> "Martyn Roberts" <mail@martynroberts.com> wrote in message
> news:d0o5dh$a7i$1@www.eclipse.org...
>
>>John Graham wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Welcome, Martyn! We're happy to receive offers to help! There's been some
>>>recent activity around modeling with the Borland announcement:
>>>
>>> http://www.borland.com/news/press_releases/2005/02_28_05_bor land_amplifies_eclipse_support.html
>>>
>>>Perhaps there is a way that DTP can leverage this effort to specialize
>>>data
>>>modeling components? It is certainly something to discuss. Please let me
>>>know your thoughts around this and how you would like to proceed.
>>>
>>>Thanks,
>>>John Graham
>>>john.graham@sybase.com
>>>Eclipse DTP
>>>
>>>"Martyn Roberts" <mail@martynroberts.com> wrote in message
>>>news:d0is59$j0v$1@www.eclipse.org...
>>>
>>>
>>>>Hi, I'm the author of schemester - http://www.schemester.com . It's a
>>>
>>>neat
>>>
>>>>little tool, but now a chore to work on... for starters it's not written
>>>>in Java :(
>>>>
>>>>I would be very interested in embracing open source and redirecting my
>>>>efforts towards this project.
>>>>
>>>>Martyn
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>Hi John,
>>
>>A graphical modelling tool would be an excellent addition to the DTP.
>>Re-using developments in the same space is certainly the way to go, so
>>what Borland do would most definitely be of interest. Where the link to
>>the DTP comes in is, as you say, the specialisation of such tools for the
>>database, which would build on the DTP foundation APIs.
>>
>>My interest is not solely in visual modelling. Once you regard your
>>database as a kind of constrained model then you can make use of the
>>techniques common place in that arena, for example design patterns and
>>refactoring. For more on this see Scott Ambler's website
>>http://www.agiledata.org There is a lot of scope here for creating tools
>>to perform such techniques. The details of how such tools would work,
>>especially in a vendor neutral environment, I have not worked out but it
>>would be a very interesting exercise. For example the DTP ETL API could be
>>employed in certain refactorings.
>>
>>From the perspective of creating other practical tools to aid the database
>>developer the following would be of interest:
>>* Automated code reviewing, something akin to checkstyle.
>>* Automated design analysis, something akin to jdepend.
>>* Text based repository for database objects. Something that would be used
>>for source control and incremental deployment.
>>
>>On how to proceed I am open to suggestions. I am interested in
>>co-developing both ideas and code.
>>
>>regards,
>>Martyn
>
>
>
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| Re: Offer of help [message #564233 is a reply to message #106] |
Mon, 14 March 2005 20:35 |
| Eclipse User |
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Hi Martyn:
That great -- it will be lots of fun! :-)
Let me put together some contacts/document formats, and I'll get back to you
soon with how we should proceed.
-- John Graham
john.graham@sybase.com
Eclipse DTP
"Martyn Roberts" <mail@martynroberts.com> wrote in message
news:d155s3$n9$1@www.eclipse.org...
> Hi John,
>
> I would be delighted to work with you on a sub-project proposal.
>
> John Graham wrote:
>> Martyn,
>>
>> Your ideas sound very interesting, and I think something around this area
>> would be a great addition to DTP. You've provided a fair amount of
>> description in this thread: would you be open to working with me on a
>> (sub)project proposal that we could add to the existing DTP proposal
>> online? This would allow for greater community feedback and (we hope
>> -) ) offers for additional collaboration.
>>
>> -- John Graham
>> john.graham@sybase.com
>> Eclipse DTP
>>
>> "Martyn Roberts" <mail@martynroberts.com> wrote in message
>> news:d0o5dh$a7i$1@www.eclipse.org...
>>
>>>John Graham wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Welcome, Martyn! We're happy to receive offers to help! There's been
>>>>some
>>>>recent activity around modeling with the Borland announcement:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.borland.com/news/press_releases/2005/02_28_05_bor land_amplifies_eclipse_support.html
>>>>
>>>>Perhaps there is a way that DTP can leverage this effort to specialize
>>>>data
>>>>modeling components? It is certainly something to discuss. Please let me
>>>>know your thoughts around this and how you would like to proceed.
>>>>
>>>>Thanks,
>>>>John Graham
>>>>john.graham@sybase.com
>>>>Eclipse DTP
>>>>
>>>>"Martyn Roberts" <mail@martynroberts.com> wrote in message
>>>>news:d0is59$j0v$1@www.eclipse.org...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Hi, I'm the author of schemester - http://www.schemester.com . It's a
>>>>
>>>>neat
>>>>
>>>>>little tool, but now a chore to work on... for starters it's not
>>>>>written
>>>>>in Java :(
>>>>>
>>>>>I would be very interested in embracing open source and redirecting my
>>>>>efforts towards this project.
>>>>>
>>>>>Martyn
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>Hi John,
>>>
>>>A graphical modelling tool would be an excellent addition to the DTP.
>>>Re-using developments in the same space is certainly the way to go, so
>>>what Borland do would most definitely be of interest. Where the link to
>>>the DTP comes in is, as you say, the specialisation of such tools for the
>>>database, which would build on the DTP foundation APIs.
>>>
>>>My interest is not solely in visual modelling. Once you regard your
>>>database as a kind of constrained model then you can make use of the
>>>techniques common place in that arena, for example design patterns and
>>>refactoring. For more on this see Scott Ambler's website
>>>http://www.agiledata.org There is a lot of scope here for creating tools
>>>to perform such techniques. The details of how such tools would work,
>>>especially in a vendor neutral environment, I have not worked out but it
>>>would be a very interesting exercise. For example the DTP ETL API could
>>>be employed in certain refactorings.
>>>
>>>From the perspective of creating other practical tools to aid the
>>>database developer the following would be of interest:
>>>* Automated code reviewing, something akin to checkstyle.
>>>* Automated design analysis, something akin to jdepend.
>>>* Text based repository for database objects. Something that would be
>>>used for source control and incremental deployment.
>>>
>>>On how to proceed I am open to suggestions. I am interested in
>>>co-developing both ideas and code.
>>>
>>>regards,
>>>Martyn
>>
>>
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