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I have Eclipse 3.2.1 should I upgrade to 3.4? [message #255595] Wed, 13 August 2008 12:07 Go to next message
Eclipse UserFriend
Originally posted by: kwarner.uneedspeed.net

Hi,

I use 3.2.1 everyday for Java development and it is solid
as a rock. Never any problems.

Should I upgrade to 3.4? What's the difference between
the two? And what is Mylyn?

I don't do Java Enterprise but I would like the JavaScript
IDE. Do I have to get the full Java EE release of Eclipse
or can I just add the JavaScript Plugin to the IDE for Java
Developers.

The Eclipse website is so big and it's hard to get small
answers.

DemonDuck
Re: I have Eclipse 3.2.1 should I upgrade to 3.4? [message #255624 is a reply to message #255595] Wed, 13 August 2008 16:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Eclipse UserFriend
DemonDuck wrote:
> Should I upgrade to 3.4? What's the difference between
> the two? And what is Mylyn?

I doubt anyone can tell you what you should do. If you're an "if it
ain't broke don't fix it" kind of guy, well, you just said what you have
ain't broke. If you're an aggressive adopter, you'd already have 3.4 or
at least 3.3. So you're somewhere in the middle, which means that
you're unlikely to get useful info from anyone else.

That said, tens of thousands of people have been getting their routine
day-to-day work done for months with Eclipse 3.4, and I don't see any
more "OMG this is totaly borken !1!!11" messages than there ever were.
Speaking only for my own small contribution to the Eclipse codebase, it
is much more solid in 3.4 than it was in 3.2.

There is a very high-level description of what's new in 3.4 here:

http://www.eclipse.org/org/press-release/20080625_ganymede.p hp

There's a description of what Mylyn is here:

http://www.eclipse.org/projects/project_summary.php?projecti d=tools.mylyn

>
> I don't do Java Enterprise but I would like the JavaScript
> IDE. Do I have to get the full Java EE release of Eclipse
> or can I just add the JavaScript Plugin to the IDE for Java
> Developers.

Good question - I can't help you there but I'd suggest asking on one of
the WTP-related newsgroups. Personally I expect you need the other
dependencies as well - at the least, I expect no one is testing the
minimal configuration you have in mind.
Re: I have Eclipse 3.2.1 should I upgrade to 3.4? [message #255627 is a reply to message #255624] Wed, 13 August 2008 21:20 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Eclipse UserFriend
Originally posted by: kwarner.uneedspeed.net

Thanks Walter,

If 3.4 is more solid that 3.2 it must be really, really good
'cause I aint had no problems with 3.2.

I tried to download a custom configuration from Yoxos. I could
specify exactly what I wanted eg. the JavaScript IDE but couldn't
make Yoxos start the download. THERE'S NO DOWNLOAD BUTTON !!!

I'm ready to go to 3.4 based on what you said and my own
curiosity...

DemonDuck

Walter Harley wrote:
> DemonDuck wrote:
>
>> Should I upgrade to 3.4? What's the difference between
>> the two? And what is Mylyn?
>
>
> I doubt anyone can tell you what you should do. If you're an "if it
> ain't broke don't fix it" kind of guy, well, you just said what you have
> ain't broke. If you're an aggressive adopter, you'd already have 3.4 or
> at least 3.3. So you're somewhere in the middle, which means that
> you're unlikely to get useful info from anyone else.
>
> That said, tens of thousands of people have been getting their routine
> day-to-day work done for months with Eclipse 3.4, and I don't see any
> more "OMG this is totaly borken !1!!11" messages than there ever were.
> Speaking only for my own small contribution to the Eclipse codebase, it
> is much more solid in 3.4 than it was in 3.2.
>
> There is a very high-level description of what's new in 3.4 here:
>
> http://www.eclipse.org/org/press-release/20080625_ganymede.p hp
>
> There's a description of what Mylyn is here:
>
> http://www.eclipse.org/projects/project_summary.php?projecti d=tools.mylyn
>
>>
>> I don't do Java Enterprise but I would like the JavaScript
>> IDE. Do I have to get the full Java EE release of Eclipse
>> or can I just add the JavaScript Plugin to the IDE for Java
>> Developers.
>
>
> Good question - I can't help you there but I'd suggest asking on one of
> the WTP-related newsgroups. Personally I expect you need the other
> dependencies as well - at the least, I expect no one is testing the
> minimal configuration you have in mind.
Re: I have Eclipse 3.2.1 should I upgrade to 3.4? [message #255635 is a reply to message #255627] Wed, 13 August 2008 22:03 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Eclipse UserFriend
Originally posted by: kwarner.uneedspeed.net

Never mind about Yoxos, my browser was choking on
a cookie. All better now. I downloaded my
minimalist version of 3.4.

Thanks...

DemonDuck wrote:
> Thanks Walter,
>
> If 3.4 is more solid that 3.2 it must be really, really good
> 'cause I aint had no problems with 3.2.
>
> I tried to download a custom configuration from Yoxos. I could
> specify exactly what I wanted eg. the JavaScript IDE but couldn't
> make Yoxos start the download. THERE'S NO DOWNLOAD BUTTON !!!
>
> I'm ready to go to 3.4 based on what you said and my own
> curiosity...
>
> DemonDuck
>
> Walter Harley wrote:
>
>> DemonDuck wrote:
>>
>>> Should I upgrade to 3.4? What's the difference between
>>> the two? And what is Mylyn?
>>
>>
>>
>> I doubt anyone can tell you what you should do. If you're an "if it
>> ain't broke don't fix it" kind of guy, well, you just said what you
>> have ain't broke. If you're an aggressive adopter, you'd already have
>> 3.4 or at least 3.3. So you're somewhere in the middle, which means
>> that you're unlikely to get useful info from anyone else.
>>
>> That said, tens of thousands of people have been getting their routine
>> day-to-day work done for months with Eclipse 3.4, and I don't see any
>> more "OMG this is totaly borken !1!!11" messages than there ever were.
>> Speaking only for my own small contribution to the Eclipse codebase,
>> it is much more solid in 3.4 than it was in 3.2.
>>
>> There is a very high-level description of what's new in 3.4 here:
>>
>> http://www.eclipse.org/org/press-release/20080625_ganymede.p hp
>>
>> There's a description of what Mylyn is here:
>>
>> http://www.eclipse.org/projects/project_summary.php?projecti d=tools.mylyn
>>
>>>
>>> I don't do Java Enterprise but I would like the JavaScript
>>> IDE. Do I have to get the full Java EE release of Eclipse
>>> or can I just add the JavaScript Plugin to the IDE for Java
>>> Developers.
>>
>>
>>
>> Good question - I can't help you there but I'd suggest asking on one
>> of the WTP-related newsgroups. Personally I expect you need the other
>> dependencies as well - at the least, I expect no one is testing the
>> minimal configuration you have in mind.
Re: I have Eclipse 3.2.1 should I upgrade to 3.4? [message #255657 is a reply to message #255627] Thu, 14 August 2008 10:01 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Eclipse UserFriend
Originally posted by: eclipse-news.rizzoweb.com

DemonDuck wrote:
> Thanks Walter,
>
> If 3.4 is more solid that 3.2 it must be really, really good
> 'cause I aint had no problems with 3.2.
>
> I tried to download a custom configuration from Yoxos. I could
> specify exactly what I wanted eg. the JavaScript IDE but couldn't
> make Yoxos start the download. THERE'S NO DOWNLOAD BUTTON !!!
>
> I'm ready to go to 3.4 based on what you said and my own
> curiosity...

This wiki page has links that describe in detail some of the new
features and enhancements:
http://wiki.eclipse.org/Ganymede/For_Users#New_and_Noteworth y

Hope this helps,
Eric


> Walter Harley wrote:
>> DemonDuck wrote:
>>
>>> Should I upgrade to 3.4? What's the difference between
>>> the two? And what is Mylyn?
>>
>>
>> I doubt anyone can tell you what you should do. If you're an "if it
>> ain't broke don't fix it" kind of guy, well, you just said what you
>> have ain't broke. If you're an aggressive adopter, you'd already have
>> 3.4 or at least 3.3. So you're somewhere in the middle, which means
>> that you're unlikely to get useful info from anyone else.
>>
>> That said, tens of thousands of people have been getting their routine
>> day-to-day work done for months with Eclipse 3.4, and I don't see any
>> more "OMG this is totaly borken !1!!11" messages than there ever were.
>> Speaking only for my own small contribution to the Eclipse codebase,
>> it is much more solid in 3.4 than it was in 3.2.
>>
>> There is a very high-level description of what's new in 3.4 here:
>>
>> http://www.eclipse.org/org/press-release/20080625_ganymede.p hp
>>
>> There's a description of what Mylyn is here:
>>
>> http://www.eclipse.org/projects/project_summary.php?projecti d=tools.mylyn
>>
>>>
>>> I don't do Java Enterprise but I would like the JavaScript
>>> IDE. Do I have to get the full Java EE release of Eclipse
>>> or can I just add the JavaScript Plugin to the IDE for Java
>>> Developers.
>>
>>
>> Good question - I can't help you there but I'd suggest asking on one
>> of the WTP-related newsgroups. Personally I expect you need the other
>> dependencies as well - at the least, I expect no one is testing the
>> minimal configuration you have in mind.
Re: I have Eclipse 3.2.1 should I upgrade to 3.4? [message #255661 is a reply to message #255657] Thu, 14 August 2008 14:20 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Eclipse UserFriend
Originally posted by: kwarner.uneedspeed.net

Yes, thank you. I was able to configure a minimal version
of Eclipse 3.4 and download it from Yoxos. I chose not
to include Mylyn.

Ken

Eric Rizzo wrote:
> DemonDuck wrote:
>
>> Thanks Walter,
>>
>> If 3.4 is more solid that 3.2 it must be really, really good
>> 'cause I aint had no problems with 3.2.
>>
>> I tried to download a custom configuration from Yoxos. I could
>> specify exactly what I wanted eg. the JavaScript IDE but couldn't
>> make Yoxos start the download. THERE'S NO DOWNLOAD BUTTON !!!
>>
>> I'm ready to go to 3.4 based on what you said and my own
>> curiosity...
>
>
> This wiki page has links that describe in detail some of the new
> features and enhancements:
> http://wiki.eclipse.org/Ganymede/For_Users#New_and_Noteworth y
>
> Hope this helps,
> Eric
>
>
>> Walter Harley wrote:
>>
>>> DemonDuck wrote:
>>>
>>>> Should I upgrade to 3.4? What's the difference between
>>>> the two? And what is Mylyn?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I doubt anyone can tell you what you should do. If you're an "if it
>>> ain't broke don't fix it" kind of guy, well, you just said what you
>>> have ain't broke. If you're an aggressive adopter, you'd already
>>> have 3.4 or at least 3.3. So you're somewhere in the middle, which
>>> means that you're unlikely to get useful info from anyone else.
>>>
>>> That said, tens of thousands of people have been getting their
>>> routine day-to-day work done for months with Eclipse 3.4, and I don't
>>> see any more "OMG this is totaly borken !1!!11" messages than there
>>> ever were. Speaking only for my own small contribution to the Eclipse
>>> codebase, it is much more solid in 3.4 than it was in 3.2.
>>>
>>> There is a very high-level description of what's new in 3.4 here:
>>>
>>> http://www.eclipse.org/org/press-release/20080625_ganymede.p hp
>>>
>>> There's a description of what Mylyn is here:
>>>
>>> http://www.eclipse.org/projects/project_summary.php?projecti d=tools.mylyn
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> I don't do Java Enterprise but I would like the JavaScript
>>>> IDE. Do I have to get the full Java EE release of Eclipse
>>>> or can I just add the JavaScript Plugin to the IDE for Java
>>>> Developers.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Good question - I can't help you there but I'd suggest asking on one
>>> of the WTP-related newsgroups. Personally I expect you need the
>>> other dependencies as well - at the least, I expect no one is testing
>>> the minimal configuration you have in mind.
Re: I have Eclipse 3.2.1 should I upgrade to 3.4? [message #255706 is a reply to message #255595] Mon, 18 August 2008 06:20 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Eclipse UserFriend
Originally posted by: mauro.molinari.cardinis.com

DemonDuck ha scritto:
> I use 3.2.1 everyday for Java development and it is solid
> as a rock. Never any problems.
>
> Should I upgrade to 3.4? What's the difference between
> the two? And what is Mylyn?

I personally would wait for 3.4.1, because there are some annoying bugs
in 3.4 compiler that might affect you. I know a lot of them have already
been fixed for 3.4.1.

Apart from this, there are a lot of enhancements from 3.2.1 that I think
are worth the switching.

Mauro.
Re: I have Eclipse 3.2.1 should I upgrade to 3.4? [message #255710 is a reply to message #255706] Mon, 18 August 2008 13:17 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Eclipse UserFriend
Originally posted by: kwarner.uneedspeed.net

Thanks Mauro, that's an important bit of info.

I always like to drag my feet changing versions.

Do you know anything about the release schedule?

DD

Mauro Molinari wrote:
> DemonDuck ha scritto:
>
>> I use 3.2.1 everyday for Java development and it is solid
>> as a rock. Never any problems.
>>
>> Should I upgrade to 3.4? What's the difference between
>> the two? And what is Mylyn?
>
>
> I personally would wait for 3.4.1, because there are some annoying bugs
> in 3.4 compiler that might affect you. I know a lot of them have already
> been fixed for 3.4.1.
>
> Apart from this, there are a lot of enhancements from 3.2.1 that I think
> are worth the switching.
>
> Mauro.
Re: I have Eclipse 3.2.1 should I upgrade to 3.4? [message #255730 is a reply to message #255710] Tue, 19 August 2008 04:57 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Eclipse UserFriend
Originally posted by: mauro.molinari.cardinis.com

DemonDuck ha scritto:
> Thanks Mauro, that's an important bit of info.
>
> I always like to drag my feet changing versions.
>
> Do you know anything about the release schedule?
>
> DD

3.4.1 is planned for September, 24th 2008:
http://www.eclipse.org/projects/project_summary.php?projecti d=eclipse

Mauro.
Re: I have Eclipse 3.2.1 should I upgrade to 3.4? [message #255754 is a reply to message #255730] Tue, 19 August 2008 23:07 Go to previous message
Eclipse UserFriend
Originally posted by: kwarner.uneedspeed.net

Thanks again Mauro, I've marked my calendar...

Mauro Molinari wrote:
> DemonDuck ha scritto:
>
>> Thanks Mauro, that's an important bit of info.
>>
>> I always like to drag my feet changing versions.
>>
>> Do you know anything about the release schedule?
>>
>> DD
>
>
> 3.4.1 is planned for September, 24th 2008:
> http://www.eclipse.org/projects/project_summary.php?projecti d=eclipse
>
> Mauro.
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