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| Eclipse Rocks [message #245668] |
Wed, 16 January 2008 02:14  |
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Originally posted by: zoomclub.gmail.com
Hello Eclipse,
Wow! I'm having a great time discovering Eclipse. Lately I'm got myself a
PC laptop with Vista (OSX has issues with Java 6 and I got tired of
waiting) and I also made the switch to Eclipse from another commercial IDE
at this same time, I like Eclipse much better. Eclipse is faster, more
elegant, is just much more clear in its presentation of the many things
that can be done in a modern IDE.
There are also the super cool features that only Eclipse has, the one that
blows my mind tonight is how I am able to drag and drop a text file
listing my objects to the project explorer and automatically have it
create the packages and java files, presto! This is just fantastic for the
way I work and my hat goes off to the people responsible for just this one
feature, out of so many excellent ones.
Eclipse is accellerating my project forward, for months if you can believe
it I have resorted back to using MS Word outliner to put project aspects
into place, now to be able to just drag and drop a lot of it into place is
just wild! Thank you so much!
I also want to thank the man who created the Eclipse video tutorials
available at http://eclipsetutorial.sourceforge.net/index.html because
they are fantastic, please keep making these great videos, they blow all
the reading on IDE's I've done away, awesome!
Right now I'm building a outline of the many editing options available to
me with Eclipse, I've already got the keymap and want to put together more
info on content assistant, etc. I can not memorize all the options right
away so I'm putting my own document together. The help system is excellent
but I want to extract only the steps for topics useful in editing and
implementing my project.
I had posted a message here a while ago on not being able to run the
context help, this is still the case however I can run it in firefox.
Oh yeah, its also cool that Eclipse is so easy to download and install,
this has made it so easy to use even at my day job where I can poke away
at it for a few hours each day as well, heck I even printed all the help
on the company printer, why not!
Well, I must get back to learning more about Eclipse and building my power
user document. Thank you so much for making an IDE that is going to make
me much more productive faster and allow me to finally realize a dream for
some new software.
Thanks so much,
Thom
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| Re: Eclipse Rocks [message #245684 is a reply to message #245668] |
Wed, 16 January 2008 06:53  |
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Originally posted by: merks.ca.ibm.com
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Thom,
Thanks for the kind words on behalf of the hundreds of developers whose
collective efforts have made Eclipse so totally awesome and who continue
to maintain, support, and improve it. It's especially nice to get a
positive note like yours since obviously most of the messages on the
newsgroups are about problems. We like to help with those too when we
can...
Did you know Eclipse accepts donation? :-P
http://www.eclipse.org/donate/index.php
Just teasing. No pressure. But for just $35 though you do get the
privilege to use an awesome logo and you get access to an exclusive
Friend of Eclipse fast mirror...
Thom wrote:
> Hello Eclipse,
>
> Wow! I'm having a great time discovering Eclipse. Lately I'm got
> myself a PC laptop with Vista (OSX has issues with Java 6 and I got
> tired of waiting) and I also made the switch to Eclipse from another
> commercial IDE at this same time, I like Eclipse much better. Eclipse
> is faster, more elegant, is just much more clear in its presentation
> of the many things that can be done in a modern IDE.
>
> There are also the super cool features that only Eclipse has, the one
> that blows my mind tonight is how I am able to drag and drop a text
> file listing my objects to the project explorer and automatically have
> it create the packages and java files, presto! This is just fantastic
> for the way I work and my hat goes off to the people responsible for
> just this one feature, out of so many excellent ones.
>
> Eclipse is accellerating my project forward, for months if you can
> believe it I have resorted back to using MS Word outliner to put
> project aspects into place, now to be able to just drag and drop a lot
> of it into place is just wild! Thank you so much!
>
> I also want to thank the man who created the Eclipse video tutorials
> available at http://eclipsetutorial.sourceforge.net/index.html because
> they are fantastic, please keep making these great videos, they blow
> all the reading on IDE's I've done away, awesome!
>
> Right now I'm building a outline of the many editing options available
> to me with Eclipse, I've already got the keymap and want to put
> together more info on content assistant, etc. I can not memorize all
> the options right away so I'm putting my own document together. The
> help system is excellent but I want to extract only the steps for
> topics useful in editing and implementing my project.
>
> I had posted a message here a while ago on not being able to run the
> context help, this is still the case however I can run it in firefox.
>
> Oh yeah, its also cool that Eclipse is so easy to download and
> install, this has made it so easy to use even at my day job where I
> can poke away at it for a few hours each day as well, heck I even
> printed all the help on the company printer, why not!
>
> Well, I must get back to learning more about Eclipse and building my
> power user document. Thank you so much for making an IDE that is going
> to make me much more productive faster and allow me to finally realize
> a dream for some new software.
>
> Thanks so much,
>
> Thom
>
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Thom,<br>
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Thanks for the kind words on behalf of the hundreds of developers whose
collective efforts have made Eclipse so totally awesome and who
continue to maintain, support, and improve it.
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| Re: Eclipse Rocks [message #245689 is a reply to message #245668] |
Wed, 16 January 2008 08:34 |
| Eclipse User |
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Thom wrote:
> Hello Eclipse,
>
> Wow! I'm having a great time discovering Eclipse. Lately I'm got
> myself a PC laptop with Vista (OSX has issues with Java 6 and I got
> tired of waiting) and I also made the switch to Eclipse from another
> commercial IDE at this same time, I like Eclipse much better. Eclipse
> is faster, more elegant, is just much more clear in its presentation
> of the many things that can be done in a modern IDE.
>
> There are also the super cool features that only Eclipse has, the one
> that blows my mind tonight is how I am able to drag and drop a text
> file listing my objects to the project explorer and automatically have
> it create the packages and java files, presto! This is just fantastic
> for the way I work and my hat goes off to the people responsible for
> just this one feature, out of so many excellent ones.
>
> Eclipse is accellerating my project forward, for months if you can
> believe it I have resorted back to using MS Word outliner to put
> project aspects into place, now to be able to just drag and drop a lot
> of it into place is just wild! Thank you so much!
>
> I also want to thank the man who created the Eclipse video tutorials
> available at http://eclipsetutorial.sourceforge.net/index.html because
> they are fantastic, please keep making these great videos, they blow
> all the reading on IDE's I've done away, awesome!
>
> Right now I'm building a outline of the many editing options available
> to me with Eclipse, I've already got the keymap
Try Ctrl+Shift+L this gives you a list of available commands in the
current context along with key bindings (if set).
Dani
> and want to put together more info on content assistant, etc. I can
> not memorize all the options right away so I'm putting my own document
> together. The help system is excellent but I want to extract only the
> steps for topics useful in editing and implementing my project.
>
> I had posted a message here a while ago on not being able to run the
> context help, this is still the case however I can run it in firefox.
>
> Oh yeah, its also cool that Eclipse is so easy to download and
> install, this has made it so easy to use even at my day job where I
> can poke away at it for a few hours each day as well, heck I even
> printed all the help on the company printer, why not!
>
> Well, I must get back to learning more about Eclipse and building my
> power user document. Thank you so much for making an IDE that is going
> to make me much more productive faster and allow me to finally realize
> a dream for some new software.
>
> Thanks so much,
>
> Thom
>
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| Re: Eclipse Rocks [message #245694 is a reply to message #245668] |
Wed, 16 January 2008 10:11 |
 Eclipse Webmaster
Messages: 607353
Registered: July 2009 |
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Thom,
I posted some of your praise on the Eclipse Kudos page (link below).
Thanks for the kind words, I'm sure all the Eclipse developers out there
appreciate them.
http://wiki.eclipse.org/Kudos
Denis
Thom wrote:
> Hello Eclipse,
>
> Wow! I'm having a great time discovering Eclipse. Lately I'm got myself
> a PC laptop with Vista (OSX has issues with Java 6 and I got tired of
> waiting) and I also made the switch to Eclipse from another commercial
> IDE at this same time, I like Eclipse much better. Eclipse is faster,
> more elegant, is just much more clear in its presentation of the many
> things that can be done in a modern IDE.
>
> There are also the super cool features that only Eclipse has, the one
> that blows my mind tonight is how I am able to drag and drop a text file
> listing my objects to the project explorer and automatically have it
> create the packages and java files, presto! This is just fantastic for
> the way I work and my hat goes off to the people responsible for just
> this one feature, out of so many excellent ones.
>
> Eclipse is accellerating my project forward, for months if you can
> believe it I have resorted back to using MS Word outliner to put project
> aspects into place, now to be able to just drag and drop a lot of it
> into place is just wild! Thank you so much!
>
> I also want to thank the man who created the Eclipse video tutorials
> available at http://eclipsetutorial.sourceforge.net/index.html because
> they are fantastic, please keep making these great videos, they blow all
> the reading on IDE's I've done away, awesome!
>
> Right now I'm building a outline of the many editing options available
> to me with Eclipse, I've already got the keymap and want to put together
> more info on content assistant, etc. I can not memorize all the options
> right away so I'm putting my own document together. The help system is
> excellent but I want to extract only the steps for topics useful in
> editing and implementing my project.
>
> I had posted a message here a while ago on not being able to run the
> context help, this is still the case however I can run it in firefox.
>
> Oh yeah, its also cool that Eclipse is so easy to download and install,
> this has made it so easy to use even at my day job where I can poke away
> at it for a few hours each day as well, heck I even printed all the help
> on the company printer, why not!
>
> Well, I must get back to learning more about Eclipse and building my
> power user document. Thank you so much for making an IDE that is going
> to make me much more productive faster and allow me to finally realize a
> dream for some new software.
>
> Thanks so much,
>
> Thom
>
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| Re: Eclipse Rocks [message #245719 is a reply to message #245668] |
Wed, 16 January 2008 12:13 |
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Thom wrote:
> Hello Eclipse,
>
> Wow! I'm having a great time discovering Eclipse. Lately I'm got myself
> a PC laptop with Vista (OSX has issues with Java 6 and I got tired of
> waiting) and I also made the switch to Eclipse from another commercial
> IDE at this same time, I like Eclipse much better. Eclipse is faster,
> more elegant, is just much more clear in its presentation of the many
> things that can be done in a modern IDE.
>
> There are also the super cool features that only Eclipse has, the one
> that blows my mind tonight is how I am able to drag and drop a text file
> listing my objects to the project explorer and automatically have it
> create the packages and java files, presto! This is just fantastic for
> the way I work and my hat goes off to the people responsible for just
> this one feature, out of so many excellent ones.
>
> Eclipse is accellerating my project forward, for months if you can
> believe it I have resorted back to using MS Word outliner to put project
> aspects into place, now to be able to just drag and drop a lot of it
> into place is just wild! Thank you so much!
>
> I also want to thank the man who created the Eclipse video tutorials
> available at http://eclipsetutorial.sourceforge.net/index.html because
> they are fantastic, please keep making these great videos, they blow all
> the reading on IDE's I've done away, awesome!
>
> Right now I'm building a outline of the many editing options available
> to me with Eclipse, I've already got the keymap and want to put together
> more info on content assistant, etc. I can not memorize all the options
> right away so I'm putting my own document together. The help system is
> excellent but I want to extract only the steps for topics useful in
> editing and implementing my project.
>
> I had posted a message here a while ago on not being able to run the
> context help, this is still the case however I can run it in firefox.
>
> Oh yeah, its also cool that Eclipse is so easy to download and install,
> this has made it so easy to use even at my day job where I can poke away
> at it for a few hours each day as well, heck I even printed all the help
> on the company printer, why not!
>
> Well, I must get back to learning more about Eclipse and building my
> power user document. Thank you so much for making an IDE that is going
> to make me much more productive faster and allow me to finally realize a
> dream for some new software.
>
> Thanks so much,
>
> Thom
>
Hi Thom. Thanks for your kind words about my video tutorials
(http://eclipsetutorial.sourceforge.net). I'm very glad to hear that
they helped you get jump-started with Eclipse. Mark Dexter
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| Re: Eclipse Rocks [message #245756 is a reply to message #245719] |
Wed, 16 January 2008 23:19 |
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Originally posted by: zoomclub.gmail.com
Hi Mark and Eclipse,
Enjoyed your excellent videos a lot, they covered the perfect progression
of topics I still wanted more hands on experience with. Really liked the
funky intro and outro music too, made me feel real at home and peeked for
grand adventure. One possible next video that I would find helpful would
be on setting up Eclipse projects, covering topics such as; workspace,
project/s, product/s, working sets and Mylyn tasks. Creating projects that
have a plug-in structure may go along with the new video as well.
Initially last summer I got interested in Eclipse after using it to inhale
existing projects, Eclipse handled this automatically where as my
commercial IDE was always a real pain to use when setting up more
complicated projects. My IDE at the time also had the concept of modules,
Im not sure what these would relate to in Eclipse, complete projects
within one workspace maybe, I do not know?
Basically, I have been doing a lot of R&D during the past while and have
found the frameworks/libraries I need for my project. I have also arranged
my own packages and objects into five primary tiers; apex/startup,
core/model, graphic, media and network. Ive designed all this outside of
an IDE for the most part and now need to create the type of layout
required by my project in the Eclipse project explorer.
The five primary tiers Ive arranged seem more like sub-projects/modules
to me, where each should have its own main, testers, libraries and allow
different development teams to work on them independent of each other.
However, there will still be dependencies between all five but they should
be able to run independently as well, likely tier1 could have the output
folder for all other tiers, so tiers 2 through 5 depend on tier1?
Alternatively, the five tiers could just be packages within one project,
but then would this arrangement facilitate team development and
tier/project/module reuse as robustly as having five interdependent
tier-projects would?
After reading a bit more about Eclipse the term product has come into
the picture as it is a differentiation from project that Eclipse makes.
This works with the end goal which is to have multiple products built out
of the five sub-projects however, Im not sure how to best arrange
tier-projects and end-products into the same workspace/project explorer
view.
Along with this, Im also not sure on how working sets can be best used
and for what exactly; I had no such feature in my previous IDE? Are
working sets just collections of references to specific files (or even
projects?) in my five primary sub-projects, sort of a cross project focus
tool? Are working sets more of a static version of the dynamic self
learning Mylyn tasks that learn from your interaction within the
workbench? Also, is Mylyn a separate download?
Presently I have a project that needs all of these aspects but Im not
sure yet on how to proceed in putting it together in the most scalable way
however, the project explorer seems flexible enough to allow rearranging
at any future point as the total project evolves. Here is how I presently
see the required arrangement, please let me know if Im in the ball park
with the following essential layout:
workspace
- product/project1
- sources
- tests
- product/project2
- sources
- tests
- tier/project1
- sources
- tests
- libraries
- tier/project2
- sources
- tests
- libraries
- tier/project3
- sources
- tests
- libraries
- tier/project4
- sources
- tests
- libraries
- tier/project5
- sources
- tests
- libraries
- global libraries
Eclipse has made the workspace/project layout very flexible and it has my
vote for the next tutorial video because it is an important subject, Ive
seen many poorly setup projects so I can not learn from them, I just know
how important it is to get off on the right foot.
What would be good is a focused article on just the following related
topics; workspace, project/s, product/s, working sets and Mylyn tasks and
how these are useful within projects of different types. This kind of
presentation would act as a measuring stick as well and make it easier to
apply these powerful layout and management features to projects of
different proportions. Any advice is greatly appreciated.
Best Regards,
Thom
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| Re: Eclipse Rocks [message #245845 is a reply to message #245803] |
Thu, 17 January 2008 17:13 |
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Originally posted by: zoomclub.gmail.com
Eclipse,
Thanks for the links. Had a chance to dig more into working sets last
night, they are a super feature that I can now make good use of. Also my
understanding now is that you can have your workspace as organized or
disorganized as you like with all possible arrangments of projects and
interdepedancies. This along with working sets will work very well for me.
I was playing with the project explorer today and was also very happy to
find that my MS Word and Excel files also load as tabs within Eclipse,
sweet! Now my whole workflow can be managed from one source, Eclipse.
Another idea I had for a tutorial video was on the subject of refactoring,
it would be nice to see each refactor type be applied to some crude code
base to polish it up brand new, kinda like remodeling a older home.
Hey, I got another very big reason to celebrate too. Three years ago I had
cancer bad, after 14 months I got back to living. Today, after my doctor
scaring me as usual for the past 10 months, I found that the result of all
the intensive PET, CT and ultrasound tests of the last 2 months say that I
am a survivor and have a clean bill of health. Just thought I might share
that with you all, seeing that I attribute much of my recovery to having a
dream, just as in the book "Dreaming in Code". Can never forget to
exercise and eat well too.
Cheers,
Thom
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| Re: Eclipse Rocks [message #245854 is a reply to message #245845] |
Thu, 17 January 2008 21:04 |
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Originally posted by: jason_ace750.yahoo.com
Thom -
That's awesome! Congratulations and may you have all the success as a "Dream
Coder" that one person can handle. I'm looking to extend Mylyn to connect
with ScrumWorks Pro. If you are interested in helping out let me know.
Regards,
Jason
"Thom" <zoomclub@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:a2ff1fc174a349ff5d8d170f0b7bc4dd$1@www.eclipse.org...
> Eclipse,
>
> Thanks for the links. Had a chance to dig more into working sets last
> night, they are a super feature that I can now make good use of. Also my
> understanding now is that you can have your workspace as organized or
> disorganized as you like with all possible arrangments of projects and
> interdepedancies. This along with working sets will work very well for me.
>
> I was playing with the project explorer today and was also very happy to
> find that my MS Word and Excel files also load as tabs within Eclipse,
> sweet! Now my whole workflow can be managed from one source, Eclipse.
>
> Another idea I had for a tutorial video was on the subject of refactoring,
> it would be nice to see each refactor type be applied to some crude code
> base to polish it up brand new, kinda like remodeling a older home.
>
> Hey, I got another very big reason to celebrate too. Three years ago I had
> cancer bad, after 14 months I got back to living. Today, after my doctor
> scaring me as usual for the past 10 months, I found that the result of all
> the intensive PET, CT and ultrasound tests of the last 2 months say that I
> am a survivor and have a clean bill of health. Just thought I might share
> that with you all, seeing that I attribute much of my recovery to having a
> dream, just as in the book "Dreaming in Code". Can never forget to
> exercise and eat well too.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Thom
>
>
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>
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| Re: Eclipse Rocks [message #245987 is a reply to message #245901] |
Fri, 18 January 2008 20:31 |
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Originally posted by: jason_ace750.yahoo.com
Hi David -
I'm hoping that the code base is the same for basic task maintenance. I will
start a thread in the mylyn group for this connector.
eclipse.tools.mylyn
Regards,
Jason
"David Carver" <dcarver@starstandard.org> wrote in message
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> Jason wrote:
>> Thom -
>>
>> That's awesome! Congratulations and may you have all the success as a
>> "Dream Coder" that one person can handle. I'm looking to extend Mylyn to
>> connect with ScrumWorks Pro. If you are interested in helping out let me
>> know.
>
> What would be nice also, is if it can work with Scrumworks Basic as well.
> That I would be very interested in.
>
> Dave
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