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| M9 Look [message #243613] |
Sat, 22 May 2004 13:46  |
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Hi,
I have to admit I think the 2.1 look in M9 looks rather good. Did not
work with it seriously yet, so I will not say anything about _feel_ issues.
The only things that I liked better in the real 2.1 look were the icons
and the lines separating the menus/toolbar/rest of the gui (now a bit
messy I think without them).
The 2.1 icons - to my taste they looked sharper (better defined edges).
And I think the use of colored icons in the new look merely distracts
and makes the tool looks Fisher-Price like, whereas the 2.1 ones offered
a more serious image imho.
Anyway, I guess these are minor issues, and on the whole I am pleased
with the 'new 2.1 look', and glad the decision was taken to at least
provide this alternative to the 'new look' (which I still think looks
awful and wastes too much screen real estate).
Cheers, Luc.
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| Re: M9 Look [message #243618 is a reply to message #243613] |
Sat, 22 May 2004 13:52  |
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Interesting enough, if you select the traditional look in M9, you have to
restart the workbench for it to take affect. When you get the old look back,
and then go to the default look again, you see both tabs AND the window
title bar of 2.1 until you restart the workbench again, and you don't get
the blue colored tabs.
Incidentally, when is theming going to be in place? Meaning, when will we
support changing tab colors, background colors, perhaps background images,
etc?
"Luc Peerdeman" <ljgp@xs4all.nl> wrote in message
news:c8o2u4$pqf$1@eclipse.org...
> Hi,
>
> I have to admit I think the 2.1 look in M9 looks rather good. Did not
> work with it seriously yet, so I will not say anything about _feel_
issues.
>
> The only things that I liked better in the real 2.1 look were the icons
> and the lines separating the menus/toolbar/rest of the gui (now a bit
> messy I think without them).
>
> The 2.1 icons - to my taste they looked sharper (better defined edges).
> And I think the use of colored icons in the new look merely distracts
> and makes the tool looks Fisher-Price like, whereas the 2.1 ones offered
> a more serious image imho.
>
> Anyway, I guess these are minor issues, and on the whole I am pleased
> with the 'new 2.1 look', and glad the decision was taken to at least
> provide this alternative to the 'new look' (which I still think looks
> awful and wastes too much screen real estate).
>
> Cheers, Luc.
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| Re: M9 Look (DEFAULTS!) [message #244188 is a reply to message #243613] |
Mon, 24 May 2004 07:34 |
| Eclipse User |
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[First: Let me say "thanks for listening and the effort" to those who
worked on the 2.1 presentation. It's a step in the right direction
(namely fixing what the UI team broke with the Fisher-Price L&F),
but...]
As I've stated several times, one of my major concerns is that Eclipse
fits in with the native O/S and that we eat the gourmet dog food we call
SWT.
After changing the presentation to 2.1, it's much closer (with the
exceptions of the Fisher-Price icons -- more below...).
HOWEVER...
The DEFAULT presentation is Fisher-Price.
Think about what this says to the world
"Native L&F should *only* be an option"
This flies in the face of everything SWT stands for, and I still feel
very betrayed for buying into and pushing the concept of SWT.
Again, I ask that the defaults be the shining example of how good SWT
is, not a bunch of custom toys that could have been produced using
Swing.
As for icons, I mostly agree with Luc: the Icons are toyish and blurry
(especially the perspective icons). I have no problem adding color to
the old icons (make it an option for those who liked the B&W icons), but
this is a glaring "ewwww" in the 2.1 presentation. (I'll post a quick
note after this about changing them back to the nice icons.(
(Icon sets shouldn't be hard to implement -- just point to different
directories or use different prefixes or something.)
As far as "feel" goes, the first usage issue I don't like is having to
change at least four separate settings to get things back to "normal"
(NOTE: NOT "RETRO"!):
1) Change presentation style
2) Change perspective location
3) Change Fast View location (by dragging its bar)
4) Change view tabs back to bottom
This is the type of thing I was worried about with the defaults, and why
I just wanted the actual old L&F back instead of an emulation of it. I
don't yet know what else I'll need to tweak...
I'll comment more after I've used it for a while. [Note that I'm trying
it at least... I'll probably try to hack the old icons in]
-- Scott
In article <c8o2u4$pqf$1@eclipse.org>, ljgp@xs4all.nl says...
> Hi,
>
> I have to admit I think the 2.1 look in M9 looks rather good. Did not
> work with it seriously yet, so I will not say anything about _feel_ issues.
>
> The only things that I liked better in the real 2.1 look were the icons
> and the lines separating the menus/toolbar/rest of the gui (now a bit
> messy I think without them).
>
> The 2.1 icons - to my taste they looked sharper (better defined edges).
> And I think the use of colored icons in the new look merely distracts
> and makes the tool looks Fisher-Price like, whereas the 2.1 ones offered
> a more serious image imho.
>
> Anyway, I guess these are minor issues, and on the whole I am pleased
> with the 'new 2.1 look', and glad the decision was taken to at least
> provide this alternative to the 'new look' (which I still think looks
> awful and wastes too much screen real estate).
>
> Cheers, Luc.
>
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| Re: M9 Look [message #244224 is a reply to message #243613] |
Mon, 24 May 2004 08:50 |
| Eclipse User |
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It didn't take long for me to find my first "feel" problem...
I just entered bug
https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=63666
for it. The drag behavior of the view title bars has changed. In 3.0M7
and previous, dragging a view's title bar would move just that view.
Now, all views in that folder are moved. To drag individual views, the
tab for that view must be dragged (which is incredibly non-intuitive and
the only reason I tried it was because I knew what the Fisher-Price L&F
does).
I get the feeling I'll be logging a ton of little bugs like this one,
which is precisely the reason so many of us asked for the *actual* 2.1
look and feel, not an *emulation*.
grrrrrrrrrrr...
-- Scott
In article <c8o2u4$pqf$1@eclipse.org>, ljgp@xs4all.nl says...
> Hi,
>
> I have to admit I think the 2.1 look in M9 looks rather good. Did not
> work with it seriously yet, so I will not say anything about _feel_ issues.
>
> The only things that I liked better in the real 2.1 look were the icons
> and the lines separating the menus/toolbar/rest of the gui (now a bit
> messy I think without them).
>
> The 2.1 icons - to my taste they looked sharper (better defined edges).
> And I think the use of colored icons in the new look merely distracts
> and makes the tool looks Fisher-Price like, whereas the 2.1 ones offered
> a more serious image imho.
>
> Anyway, I guess these are minor issues, and on the whole I am pleased
> with the 'new 2.1 look', and glad the decision was taken to at least
> provide this alternative to the 'new look' (which I still think looks
> awful and wastes too much screen real estate).
>
> Cheers, Luc.
>
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| Re: M9 Look (Changing Icons back) [message #244247 is a reply to message #243613] |
Mon, 24 May 2004 09:29 |
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To change back to the pre M8 icons
[Notes:
1) BACKUP YOUR \eclipse dir before trying this, just in case there's a
typo in this note!!!
2) There were new icons added in M8/M9 that aren't in M7. If you copy
the M7 icons as I show below, once in a while you'll still see a new
icon, but most of the icons should be back to normal
3) If this messes up your installation, remember that I told you to back
it up first!
4) If you install eclipse in other locations, modify the commands below
to reflect those locations.
]
1) Grab Eclipse 3.0M7 and unzip (rename dir to c:/eclipse-m7)
2) Grab Eclipse 3.0M9 and unzip (as c:/eclipse)
3a) In Windows command prompt (all on one line)
for /D %i in (*) do @if exist %i\icons\nul xcopy /S/F/R/K/Y \eclipse-m7
\plugins\%i\icons \eclipse\plugins\%i\icons
(If you just want to see what that'll do before running it, add /L to
the xcopy command)
3b) In bash (I tried this using cygwin)
for i in plugins/*/icons
do
cp -r ../eclipse-m7/$i ../eclipse/$i/..
done
and it looks like the old icons are back. Note that I haven't done much
testing yet, but things are much closer to m7 now.
(There might be some new icons in m9 that didn't exist in m7 -- haven't
noticed any yet)
Later,
-- Scott
In article <c8o2u4$pqf$1@eclipse.org>, ljgp@xs4all.nl says...
> Hi,
>
> I have to admit I think the 2.1 look in M9 looks rather good. Did not
> work with it seriously yet, so I will not say anything about _feel_ issues.
>
> The only things that I liked better in the real 2.1 look were the icons
> and the lines separating the menus/toolbar/rest of the gui (now a bit
> messy I think without them).
>
> The 2.1 icons - to my taste they looked sharper (better defined edges).
> And I think the use of colored icons in the new look merely distracts
> and makes the tool looks Fisher-Price like, whereas the 2.1 ones offered
> a more serious image imho.
>
> Anyway, I guess these are minor issues, and on the whole I am pleased
> with the 'new 2.1 look', and glad the decision was taken to at least
> provide this alternative to the 'new look' (which I still think looks
> awful and wastes too much screen real estate).
>
> Cheers, Luc.
>
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| Re: M9 Look (Changing Icons back) [message #244825 is a reply to message #244247] |
Tue, 25 May 2004 09:45 |
| Eclipse User |
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After using this for a few days, not sure I can recommend it. It seems
that the icons are a bit inconsistent in black&white vs color.
- Scott
In article <MPG.1b1bc2d91bdf50e4989705@news.eclipse.org>,
scott@javadude.com says...
> To change back to the pre M8 icons
> [Notes:
> 1) BACKUP YOUR \eclipse dir before trying this, just in case there's a
> typo in this note!!!
> 2) There were new icons added in M8/M9 that aren't in M7. If you copy
> the M7 icons as I show below, once in a while you'll still see a new
> icon, but most of the icons should be back to normal
> 3) If this messes up your installation, remember that I told you to back
> it up first!
> 4) If you install eclipse in other locations, modify the commands below
> to reflect those locations.
> ]
>
> 1) Grab Eclipse 3.0M7 and unzip (rename dir to c:/eclipse-m7)
> 2) Grab Eclipse 3.0M9 and unzip (as c:/eclipse)
> 3a) In Windows command prompt (all on one line)
>
> for /D %i in (*) do @if exist %i\icons\nul xcopy /S/F/R/K/Y \eclipse-m7
> \plugins\%i\icons \eclipse\plugins\%i\icons
>
> (If you just want to see what that'll do before running it, add /L to
> the xcopy command)
>
> 3b) In bash (I tried this using cygwin)
>
> for i in plugins/*/icons
> do
> cp -r ../eclipse-m7/$i ../eclipse/$i/..
> done
>
>
> and it looks like the old icons are back. Note that I haven't done much
> testing yet, but things are much closer to m7 now.
>
> (There might be some new icons in m9 that didn't exist in m7 -- haven't
> noticed any yet)
>
> Later,
> -- Scott
>
> In article <c8o2u4$pqf$1@eclipse.org>, ljgp@xs4all.nl says...
> > Hi,
> >
> > I have to admit I think the 2.1 look in M9 looks rather good. Did not
> > work with it seriously yet, so I will not say anything about _feel_ issues.
> >
> > The only things that I liked better in the real 2.1 look were the icons
> > and the lines separating the menus/toolbar/rest of the gui (now a bit
> > messy I think without them).
> >
> > The 2.1 icons - to my taste they looked sharper (better defined edges).
> > And I think the use of colored icons in the new look merely distracts
> > and makes the tool looks Fisher-Price like, whereas the 2.1 ones offered
> > a more serious image imho.
> >
> > Anyway, I guess these are minor issues, and on the whole I am pleased
> > with the 'new 2.1 look', and glad the decision was taken to at least
> > provide this alternative to the 'new look' (which I still think looks
> > awful and wastes too much screen real estate).
> >
> > Cheers, Luc.
> >
>
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| Re: M9 Look (Changing Icons back) [message #244910 is a reply to message #244830] |
Tue, 25 May 2004 11:16 |
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Originally posted by: user.domain.invalid
Most don't really give a darn and think being PO'd about the new L&F is
silly. Reason or not, change did happen and it is not that big a deal.
Scott Stanchfield wrote:
> We've debated this enough already. Some folks like the new UI, some
> don't. Read the past posts.
>
> Change shouldn't just "happen" -- it should be there for a reason, which
> is why many of us are so PO'd about the new UI.
>
> -- Scott
>
> In article <c8ui0o$mgu$1@eclipse.org>, binyan357@yahoo.com says...
>
>>All this stuff after reading it seems so unreal. Exactly how many
>>things can you buy today and they will look the same in a few years,
>>especially in the software world. I can't buy an Audi, toaster or a
>>checking account and expect it to be the same. I work with 50
>>developers and since it's my job to roll out the eclipse IDE, I know 1st
>>hand whether someone likes the new ui or not, and they all like it, or
>>they are a bunch of group liars because they say they like it.
>>
>>I'm not trying to say you shouldn't like the old ui better just that
>>"change happens"
>>
>>Binyan
>>
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| Re: M9 Look (Changing Icons back) [message #245488 is a reply to message #244910] |
Wed, 26 May 2004 06:50 |
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That's your opinion, and just because you don't mind the mess doesn't
mean others don't. It's an *incredibly* big deal to MANY people who
voted against it.
This is my last post in this troll thread. Read the past threads.
-- Scott
In article <c8vnip$lpe$1@eclipse.org>, user@domain.invalid says...
> Most don't really give a darn and think being PO'd about the new L&F is
> silly. Reason or not, change did happen and it is not that big a deal.
>
> Scott Stanchfield wrote:
> > We've debated this enough already. Some folks like the new UI, some
> > don't. Read the past posts.
> >
> > Change shouldn't just "happen" -- it should be there for a reason, which
> > is why many of us are so PO'd about the new UI.
> >
> > -- Scott
> >
> > In article <c8ui0o$mgu$1@eclipse.org>, binyan357@yahoo.com says...
> >
> >>All this stuff after reading it seems so unreal. Exactly how many
> >>things can you buy today and they will look the same in a few years,
> >>especially in the software world. I can't buy an Audi, toaster or a
> >>checking account and expect it to be the same. I work with 50
> >>developers and since it's my job to roll out the eclipse IDE, I know 1st
> >>hand whether someone likes the new ui or not, and they all like it, or
> >>they are a bunch of group liars because they say they like it.
> >>
> >>I'm not trying to say you shouldn't like the old ui better just that
> >>"change happens"
> >>
> >>Binyan
> >>
>
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| Re: M9 Look (Changing Icons back) [message #246485 is a reply to message #245882] |
Thu, 27 May 2004 15:03 |
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Whether people "like" it or not, isn't the issue. (And I've had plenty
of folks tell me they hate the new L&F as well, and a few who say they
kinda like it).
The issue is that Eclipse is THE most important example of SWT.
If Fisher-Price is the default L&F, all of the SWT work seems
hypocritical. "Hey folks! Ya know that thing about native L&F? Well we
decided that wasn't important."
If this is really what Eclipse should look like, we should just convert
it to Swing so we can immediately have tons of people able to write
plugins without the added learning curve of SWT/JFace.
-- Scott
In article <c9325d$hr6$1@eclipse.org>, jcompagner@j-com.nl says...
> exactly
> i have exactly the same here.
> Everybody i ask over here that uses eclipse are really loving the new lnf
> So this one should be default by default.
>
> johan
>
>
> Binyan wrote:
>
> > All this stuff after reading it seems so unreal. Exactly how many
> > things can you buy today and they will look the same in a few years,
> > especially in the software world. I can't buy an Audi, toaster or a
> > checking account and expect it to be the same. I work with 50
> > developers and since it's my job to roll out the eclipse IDE, I know 1st
> > hand whether someone likes the new ui or not, and they all like it, or
> > they are a bunch of group liars because they say they like it.
> >
> > I'm not trying to say you shouldn't like the old ui better just that
> > "change happens"
> >
> > Binyan
>
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| Re: M9 Look (DEFAULTS!) [message #246636 is a reply to message #244188] |
Thu, 27 May 2004 20:29 |
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Originally posted by: sxenos.__DELETEME__ca.ibm.com
Just some points of clarifiation:
1. Eclipse 2.1 is no more or less native than the Eclipse new look. The
widgets that are emulated now were always emulated.
2. The presentation API makes a good chunk of the workbench UI pluggable
-- it is not a skinning API that just draws widgets in different ways.
The R21 presentation was built by grabbing the relevant widgets from the
Eclipse 2.1.3 stream and plugging them into the presentation API. You're
not looking at emulation of Eclipse 2.1, you're looking at the exact
same widgets.
3. Switching presentations changes all the preferences you mentioned. It
is not necessary to change them all individually.
- Stefan
Scott Stanchfield wrote:
> Think about what this says to the world
>
> "Native L&F should *only* be an option"
>
>
> This flies in the face of everything SWT stands for, and I still feel
> very betrayed for buying into and pushing the concept of SWT.
>
> Again, I ask that the defaults be the shining example of how good SWT
> is, not a bunch of custom toys that could have been produced using
> Swing.
>
>
> As for icons, I mostly agree with Luc: the Icons are toyish and blurry
> (especially the perspective icons). I have no problem adding color to
> the old icons (make it an option for those who liked the B&W icons), but
> this is a glaring "ewwww" in the 2.1 presentation. (I'll post a quick
> note after this about changing them back to the nice icons.(
>
> (Icon sets shouldn't be hard to implement -- just point to different
> directories or use different prefixes or something.)
>
>
> As far as "feel" goes, the first usage issue I don't like is having to
> change at least four separate settings to get things back to "normal"
> (NOTE: NOT "RETRO"!):
>
> 1) Change presentation style
> 2) Change perspective location
> 3) Change Fast View location (by dragging its bar)
> 4) Change view tabs back to bottom
>
> This is the type of thing I was worried about with the defaults, and why
> I just wanted the actual old L&F back instead of an emulation of it. I
> don't yet know what else I'll need to tweak...
>
> I'll comment more after I've used it for a while. [Note that I'm trying
> it at least... I'll probably try to hack the old icons in]
> -- Scott
>
>
> In article <c8o2u4$pqf$1@eclipse.org>, ljgp@xs4all.nl says...
>
>>Hi,
>>
>>I have to admit I think the 2.1 look in M9 looks rather good. Did not
>>work with it seriously yet, so I will not say anything about _feel_ issues.
>>
>>The only things that I liked better in the real 2.1 look were the icons
>>and the lines separating the menus/toolbar/rest of the gui (now a bit
>>messy I think without them).
>>
>>The 2.1 icons - to my taste they looked sharper (better defined edges).
>>And I think the use of colored icons in the new look merely distracts
>>and makes the tool looks Fisher-Price like, whereas the 2.1 ones offered
>>a more serious image imho.
>>
>>Anyway, I guess these are minor issues, and on the whole I am pleased
>>with the 'new 2.1 look', and glad the decision was taken to at least
>>provide this alternative to the 'new look' (which I still think looks
>>awful and wastes too much screen real estate).
>>
>>Cheers, Luc.
>>
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| Re: M9 Look (DEFAULTS!) [message #246776 is a reply to message #246636] |
Fri, 28 May 2004 08:13 |
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Please read the past discussions on this. In a nutshell:
I realize that parts of the 2.1 presentation are in fact emulated.
However, the 2.1 presentation "fits in" much better with native apps (at
least on Windows).
The Fisher-Price L&F stands out like crazy from any other app on Windows
I already followed up to my post stating that I found out some of the
other options were set at the same time. When I first tried changing the
presentation, it wasn't obvious in the prefs that the other options
would in fact change. However, I still need to at least move the fast
view bar.
-- Scott
In article <c960m5$5ne$1@eclipse.org>, sxenos@__DELETEME__ca.ibm.com
says...
>
> Just some points of clarifiation:
>
> 1. Eclipse 2.1 is no more or less native than the Eclipse new look. The
> widgets that are emulated now were always emulated.
>
> 2. The presentation API makes a good chunk of the workbench UI pluggable
> -- it is not a skinning API that just draws widgets in different ways.
> The R21 presentation was built by grabbing the relevant widgets from the
> Eclipse 2.1.3 stream and plugging them into the presentation API. You're
> not looking at emulation of Eclipse 2.1, you're looking at the exact
> same widgets.
>
> 3. Switching presentations changes all the preferences you mentioned. It
> is not necessary to change them all individually.
>
> - Stefan
>
> Scott Stanchfield wrote:
>
> > Think about what this says to the world
> >
> > "Native L&F should *only* be an option"
> >
> >
> > This flies in the face of everything SWT stands for, and I still feel
> > very betrayed for buying into and pushing the concept of SWT.
> >
> > Again, I ask that the defaults be the shining example of how good SWT
> > is, not a bunch of custom toys that could have been produced using
> > Swing.
> >
> >
> > As for icons, I mostly agree with Luc: the Icons are toyish and blurry
> > (especially the perspective icons). I have no problem adding color to
> > the old icons (make it an option for those who liked the B&W icons), but
> > this is a glaring "ewwww" in the 2.1 presentation. (I'll post a quick
> > note after this about changing them back to the nice icons.(
> >
> > (Icon sets shouldn't be hard to implement -- just point to different
> > directories or use different prefixes or something.)
> >
> >
> > As far as "feel" goes, the first usage issue I don't like is having to
> > change at least four separate settings to get things back to "normal"
> > (NOTE: NOT "RETRO"!):
> >
> > 1) Change presentation style
> > 2) Change perspective location
> > 3) Change Fast View location (by dragging its bar)
> > 4) Change view tabs back to bottom
> >
> > This is the type of thing I was worried about with the defaults, and why
> > I just wanted the actual old L&F back instead of an emulation of it. I
> > don't yet know what else I'll need to tweak...
> >
> > I'll comment more after I've used it for a while. [Note that I'm trying
> > it at least... I'll probably try to hack the old icons in]
> > -- Scott
> >
> >
> > In article <c8o2u4$pqf$1@eclipse.org>, ljgp@xs4all.nl says...
> >
> >>Hi,
> >>
> >>I have to admit I think the 2.1 look in M9 looks rather good. Did not
> >>work with it seriously yet, so I will not say anything about _feel_ issues.
> >>
> >>The only things that I liked better in the real 2.1 look were the icons
> >>and the lines separating the menus/toolbar/rest of the gui (now a bit
> >>messy I think without them).
> >>
> >>The 2.1 icons - to my taste they looked sharper (better defined edges).
> >>And I think the use of colored icons in the new look merely distracts
> >>and makes the tool looks Fisher-Price like, whereas the 2.1 ones offered
> >>a more serious image imho.
> >>
> >>Anyway, I guess these are minor issues, and on the whole I am pleased
> >>with the 'new 2.1 look', and glad the decision was taken to at least
> >>provide this alternative to the 'new look' (which I still think looks
> >>awful and wastes too much screen real estate).
> >>
> >>Cheers, Luc.
> >>
>
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| Re: M9 Look (Changing Icons back) [message #247162 is a reply to message #246485] |
Sat, 29 May 2004 07:53 |
| Eclipse User |
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again scott,
2.1 is also not native.. at least the things that are the eye catches (the tabs)
and the tabs now in eclipse 3.0 are absoluutly better then in 2.1, that even didn't
look as tabs at all.
So people saying 2.1 is native and 3.0 is not are just complete bogus.
johan
Scott Stanchfield wrote:
> Whether people "like" it or not, isn't the issue. (And I've had plenty
> of folks tell me they hate the new L&F as well, and a few who say they
> kinda like it).
>
>
> The issue is that Eclipse is THE most important example of SWT.
>
>
> If Fisher-Price is the default L&F, all of the SWT work seems
> hypocritical. "Hey folks! Ya know that thing about native L&F? Well we
> decided that wasn't important."
>
> If this is really what Eclipse should look like, we should just convert
> it to Swing so we can immediately have tons of people able to write
> plugins without the added learning curve of SWT/JFace.
>
> -- Scott
>
>
> In article <c9325d$hr6$1@eclipse.org>, jcompagner@j-com.nl says...
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>>exactly
>>i have exactly the same here.
>>Everybody i ask over here that uses eclipse are really loving the new lnf
>>So this one should be default by default.
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>>johan
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>>Binyan wrote:
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>>>All this stuff after reading it seems so unreal. Exactly how many
>>>things can you buy today and they will look the same in a few years,
>>>especially in the software world. I can't buy an Audi, toaster or a
>>>checking account and expect it to be the same. I work with 50
>>>developers and since it's my job to roll out the eclipse IDE, I know 1st
>>>hand whether someone likes the new ui or not, and they all like it, or
>>>they are a bunch of group liars because they say they like it.
>>>
>>>I'm not trying to say you shouldn't like the old ui better just that
>>>"change happens"
>>>
>>>Binyan
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| Re: M9 Look (Changing Icons back) [message #247180 is a reply to message #247162] |
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Like I've said all along, what I mean is "blends better with the native
O/S".
Let's end this thread.
-- Scott
In article <c99t4p$kh0$1@eclipse.org>, jcompagner@j-com.nl says...
> again scott,
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> 2.1 is also not native.. at least the things that are the eye catches (the tabs)
> and the tabs now in eclipse 3.0 are absoluutly better then in 2.1, that even didn't
> look as tabs at all.
> So people saying 2.1 is native and 3.0 is not are just complete bogus.
>
> johan
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