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| Learning JAVA using Eclipse [message #213173] |
Thu, 31 May 2007 16:40  |
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Originally posted by: baabakb.gmail.com
Hi Everyone,
I am totally new to the whole java world and I am trying to learn java but
kind of lost. First there are some many flavors and opinions about
whether learn it in notepad and not IDE and ... My question is for
someone like me that does not know java, can I start learning java using
eclipse or I have to leave eclipse and learn it some where else and then
come later on working with eclipse?
How can I learn java?
Thanks,
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| Re: Learning JAVA using Eclipse [message #213183 is a reply to message #213173] |
Thu, 31 May 2007 17:18  |
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Originally posted by: psentosa.yahoo.com
Based on my personal experience, learning Java using notepad will force you
to get to know the very basic elements of Java, e.g. how to compile and run
a program, set the referenced libraries, and many more. Moreover, you'll
have to more or less "memorize" the Java code structure , possibly basic
classes and its methods, and of course, you should type your code completely
manually, which might be error-prone.
Using Eclipse will help you with these kinds of things, so that you can
really concentrate on learning how to use Java to create your own programs.
I would say, you should read the books/articles on Java that explains all
the basic things I mentioned above (if possible, try to do some simple
exercises using notepad) and continue on more advanced topics using Eclipse.
Regards
Paul
"Baabak" <baabakb@gmail.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:17bfdf4b93a73757fb784d31f7239e59$1@www.eclipse.org...
> Hi Everyone,
>
> I am totally new to the whole java world and I am trying to learn java but
> kind of lost. First there are some many flavors and opinions about
> whether learn it in notepad and not IDE and ... My question is for
> someone like me that does not know java, can I start learning java using
> eclipse or I have to leave eclipse and learn it some where else and then
> come later on working with eclipse?
>
> How can I learn java?
>
> Thanks,
>
>
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| Re: Learning JAVA using Eclipse [message #213239 is a reply to message #213173] |
Thu, 31 May 2007 22:11 |
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Baabak wrote:
> Hi Everyone,
> I am totally new to the whole java world and I am trying to learn java but
> kind of lost. First there are some many flavors and opinions about
> whether learn it in notepad and not IDE and ... My question is for
> someone like me that does not know java, can I start learning java using
> eclipse or I have to leave eclipse and learn it some where else and then
> come later on working with eclipse?
> How can I learn java?
> Thanks,
Hi. I was in exactly the same situation a few months ago. I started with
notepad and quickly got frustrated with the logistics. Then I tried BlueJ,
which was really helpful in getting some of the basics of OOP (which I
needed). However, BlueJ was still frustrating, in that the editor was very
basic and it was easy to waste time on curly brackets, etc.
So I would definitely use Eclipse. One feature of Eclipse that I have
found very helpful is the Scrapbook. It's a little trickly to get started
with, but the help is good. With Scrapbook you can try a piece of code and
then inspect it (very much like BlueJ). So you can do something as simple
as create a simple class (e.g., Person) and then in the scrapbook type:
Person p = new Person(); person
Highlight this text and select Inspect. You will be presented with a tree
representation of your object for your viewing pleasure.
Also, if you want to learn test driven development, the JUnit stuff in
Eclipse is great, as is the debugger.
In short, I agree with the other posts -- use Eclipse. Whatever complexity
you have with learning your way around the IDE will pay big dividends very
quickly. (Of course, what do you expect if you post this question on an
Eclipse newsgroup!!!) Hope this helps. Mark Dexter
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| Re: Learning JAVA using Eclipse [message #213246 is a reply to message #213183] |
Fri, 01 June 2007 01:15 |
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I agree with Paul. start with notepad or emacs. This will give you more
clarity on language itself. If you use IDE you will always rely on IDE
and won't learn from simple errors and exception like
NullPointerException and classNotFound Exception. IDE will always give
you warning in advance. I feel for new learners command line tools
really helps.
When i started with java i started using NetBeans. I completed project.
But when i joined a company and started working with actual projects i
was no where. I even didn't knew about some basics. We were using simple
tools here even for large projects.
IDE will always help you when you are working on prroject and you want
to improve productivity.
Get back if u need some more help.
Jigar Shah
Paul Sentosa wrote:
> Based on my personal experience, learning Java using notepad will force you
> to get to know the very basic elements of Java, e.g. how to compile and run
> a program, set the referenced libraries, and many more. Moreover, you'll
> have to more or less "memorize" the Java code structure , possibly basic
> classes and its methods, and of course, you should type your code completely
> manually, which might be error-prone.
> Using Eclipse will help you with these kinds of things, so that you can
> really concentrate on learning how to use Java to create your own programs.
> I would say, you should read the books/articles on Java that explains all
> the basic things I mentioned above (if possible, try to do some simple
> exercises using notepad) and continue on more advanced topics using Eclipse.
>
> Regards
> Paul
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>
> "Baabak" <baabakb@gmail.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
> news:17bfdf4b93a73757fb784d31f7239e59$1@www.eclipse.org...
>> Hi Everyone,
>>
>> I am totally new to the whole java world and I am trying to learn java but
>> kind of lost. First there are some many flavors and opinions about
>> whether learn it in notepad and not IDE and ... My question is for
>> someone like me that does not know java, can I start learning java using
>> eclipse or I have to leave eclipse and learn it some where else and then
>> come later on working with eclipse?
>>
>> How can I learn java?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>>
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| Re: Learning JAVA using Eclipse [message #213333 is a reply to message #213239] |
Fri, 01 June 2007 12:42 |
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Hi, Mark,
> Also, if you want to learn test driven development, the JUnit stuff in
> Eclipse is great, as is the debugger.
Complete agreement - and I'll go a little further still: the best way to
learn the language is via TDD; it's not something you should put on the
list to learn later, but a habit you would be well advised to pick up
first. All the questions you have about the language and (particularly)
its libraries are best answered with unit tests. Are the parameters to
substring start and finish, or start and length? Look it up, sure - but
to really build your understanding, write a test. That habit of writing
tests, and writing them before you write the code to make them pass, will
serve you well both while you're learning and long after you've mastered
the language.
Peace,
--Carl
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