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Editor tabs nightmare [message #197749]

Mon, 07 March 2005 05:04

Eclipse User

Originally posted by: andrei.nospam.de

The way Eclipse arranges the editor tabs a nightmare.

The UI developer team call it "MRU" and think that this is a feature which
we all should love.

The fact is, that if you have more opened editors than the number of tabs
that can fit in the window, finding a particular editor is a real puzzle.
Most of my colleagues complained about this tab reordering, nobody like it
and no one can understand why this should be a feature.

There is a bug, opened since 2004-06-25:
https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=68684

The problem is, that Eclipse UI team needs to figure out what the majority
of the Eclipse community feels.

Please, vote for it / write your comments.

Sorry for the cross-posting in this forum.

Kind regards,
Andrei.

Re: Editor tabs nightmare [message #197756 is a reply to message #197749]

Mon, 07 March 2005 06:07

Eclipse User

Originally posted by: user.server.com

Andrei,

I believe, the core problem is, that Tabs are not designed for large number
of pages. Take the settings dialogs, which have tabs in multiple rows.

For displaying large number of items, one should use a scalable component
(e.g. a list in a scrollpane, a combobox or something like that) instead.
Unfortunately tabs for opened file currently are "en vogue".

Tom

Re: Editor tabs nightmare [message #197763 is a reply to message #197756]

Mon, 07 March 2005 06:33

Eclipse User

Originally posted by: andrei.nospam.de

Thomas Singer wrote:

> Andrei,

> I believe, the core problem is, that Tabs are not designed for large number
> of pages. Take the settings dialogs, which have tabs in multiple rows.

This is one of possible solutions.

> For displaying large number of items, one should use a scalable component
> (e.g. a list in a scrollpane, a combobox or something like that) instead.
> Unfortunately tabs for opened file currently are "en vogue".

You have right, but only if we all together make UI team clear that the
current solution is a nightmare then we can get something better.

So please vote/comment:
https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=68684

Andrei

Re: Editor tabs nightmare [message #197779 is a reply to message #197763]

Mon, 07 March 2005 07:55

Eclipse User

Originally posted by: user.server.com

>> I believe, the core problem is, that Tabs are not designed for large
>> number of pages. Take the settings dialogs, which have tabs in
>> multiple rows.
>
> This is one of possible solutions.

Bad a very bad one. See Jeff Johnson's "GUI Bloopers".

I just mentioned it, because it is a different example of abusing tabs for a
large number of pages.

>> For displaying large number of items, one should use a scalable
>> component (e.g. a list in a scrollpane, a combobox or something like
>> that) instead. Unfortunately tabs for opened file currently are "en
>> vogue".
>
> You have right, but only if we all together make UI team clear that the
> current solution is a nightmare then we can get something better.

Agree.

Tom

Re: Editor tabs nightmare [message #197836 is a reply to message #197749]

Mon, 07 March 2005 10:02

Eclipse User

Originally posted by: eclipse.rizzoweb.com

Andrei Loskutov wrote:
> The way Eclipse arranges the editor tabs a nightmare.
> The UI developer team call it "MRU" and think that this is a feature
> which we all should love.
>
> The fact is, that if you have more opened editors than the number of
> tabs that can fit in the window, finding a particular editor is a real
> puzzle. Most of my colleagues complained about this tab reordering,
> nobody like it and no one can understand why this should be a feature.

Until some fix/change is made, you might want to try setting a
reasonable value for the preference Workbench > Editors > "Number of
opened editors before closing"
That will help you keep the number of editor tabs down to avoid the problem.

HTH,
Eric

Re: Editor tabs nightmare [message #197845 is a reply to message #197749]

Mon, 07 March 2005 10:07

Eclipse User

Originally posted by: bob.news.gmx.net

"Andrei Loskutov" <andrei@nospam.de> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:d0h8va$8vd$1@www.eclipse.org...
> The way Eclipse arranges the editor tabs a nightmare.
>
> The UI developer team call it "MRU" and think that this is a feature
which
> we all should love.
>
> The fact is, that if you have more opened editors than the number of
tabs
> that can fit in the window, finding a particular editor is a real
puzzle.
> Most of my colleagues complained about this tab reordering, nobody like
it
> and no one can understand why this should be a feature.
>
> There is a bug, opened since 2004-06-25:
> https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=68684
>
> The problem is, that Eclipse UI team needs to figure out what the
majority
> of the Eclipse community feels.
>
> Please, vote for it / write your comments.
>
> Sorry for the cross-posting in this forum.
>
> Kind regards,
> Andrei.

Do you know CTRL-E and CTRL-SHIFT-E? This makes editor switching quite
easy and fast.

Kind regards

robert

Re: Editor tabs nightmare [message #197851 is a reply to message #197836]

Mon, 07 March 2005 10:14

Eclipse User

Originally posted by: andrei.nospam.de

Eric Rizzo wrote:

> Until some fix/change is made, you might want to try setting a
> reasonable value for the preference Workbench > Editors > "Number of
> opened editors before closing"
> That will help you keep the number of editor tabs down to avoid the problem.

I know about this option - but what should I do if I need more then
"reasonable value" editors at same time? This is not a solution. Therefore
I hope that the bug https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=68684
will be fixed soon.

Re: Editor tabs nightmare [message #197858 is a reply to message #197845]

Mon, 07 March 2005 10:20

Eclipse User

Originally posted by: andrei.nospam.de

Robert Klemme wrote:

> Do you know CTRL-E and CTRL-SHIFT-E? This makes editor switching quite
> easy and fast.

Yes, I know about this keys. I like to use ctrl+tab (remapped from
ctrl+F6) to switch between recently used editors, but the point is, that
when more editors are opened (this happens often on large projects), then
you can't find out where particular editor is, because tab placement is
really weird.
Therefore I hope that the bug
https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=68684 will be fixed before
3.1 final.

Re: Editor tabs nightmare [message #197865 is a reply to message #197858]

Mon, 07 March 2005 10:38

Eclipse User

Andrei,

I would suggest to vote for this bug ...

( https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/votes.cgi?action=show_user& ;bug_id=68684)

Jerome

Andrei Loskutov wrote:
> Robert Klemme wrote:
>
>> Do you know CTRL-E and CTRL-SHIFT-E? This makes editor switching quite
>> easy and fast.
>
>
> Yes, I know about this keys. I like to use ctrl+tab (remapped from
> ctrl+F6) to switch between recently used editors, but the point is, that
> when more editors are opened (this happens often on large projects),
> then you can't find out where particular editor is, because tab
> placement is really weird.
> Therefore I hope that the bug
> https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=68684 will be fixed before
> 3.1 final.
>

Re: Editor tabs nightmare [message #197873 is a reply to message #197865]

Mon, 07 March 2005 10:42

Eclipse User

Originally posted by: andrei.nospam.de

Jerome Lanneluc wrote:

> Andrei,
> I would suggest to vote for this bug ...
> ( https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/votes.cgi?action=show_user& ;bug_id=68684)

Thanks Jerome, I hope we are not alone!

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