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| Installing VE 1.0.0 on Eclipse3.0M7 issue [message #19125] |
Mon, 16 February 2004 07:16  |
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Originally posted by: Norbert.Mallien.Wettschereck-Partner.de
Hi,
I've installed all the prerequisites for running the VE on M5 (GEF,EMF...),
....and installed the M7 . Everything works fine, but at the end, the update
manager tells me, that there is no valid license found for this feature
(VE).
If I look into the "feature.properties" , I am finding a "key" called
license, which is properly filled.
Is there a way around this, or, where can I patch the license (without
breaking it ;-)) ?
Does anybody knows about the the next stumbling blocks?
Regards
Norbert
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| Re: Installing VE 1.0.0 on Eclipse3.0M7 issue [message #19451 is a reply to message #19405] |
Wed, 18 February 2004 11:44  |
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On Wed, 18 Feb 2004 11:13:55 -0500, Rich Kulp
<richkulp@NO.SPAM.us.ibm.com> wrote:
> Nightly builds are just that. They may or may not work. It is the
> integration and stable builds that should be better.
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> But thanks for the testing because we did not know there was such a
> problem with the license. Can you give me the exact process you used to
> do the installation? Because it has been working for us, maybe you are
> doing something slightly different.
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> By the way, what system are you on. We've actually only done major tests
> on Windows for M7. We haven't tried Linux yet.
I can't speak for the original poster NM, but I did try the nightly build
myself, along with the versions of GEF and EMF indicated on the download
page. Unsurprisingly, not one damn thing installed correctly. ;-)
I'm using M7 under KDE 3.1 on SuSE Linux Professional 9.0. The version of
GTK+ installed is 2.2.3. First I installed EMF, restarted Eclipse, and got
nothing, not under the plugin dialog nor the plugins manager. Then I
installed XSD, thinking perhaps there was a dependency there, but still
nothing. I proceeded to install GEF anyhow, restarted, and yep, you
guessed it: nothing. Finally I installed the nightly build of VE and...
well you get the picture. ;-)
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| Re: Installing VE 1.0.0 on Eclipse3.0M7 issue [message #19846 is a reply to message #19802] |
Wed, 18 February 2004 15:13 |
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On Wed, 18 Feb 2004 14:29:55 -0500, Rich Kulp
<richkulp@NO.SPAM.us.ibm.com> wrote:
> Take a look at the Help->About Eclipse->Plugins and see if
> org.eclipse.ve.swt plugin is in there. If it is, SWT is in there,
> however, it is very limited, and dropping a shell doesn't work.
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> You need to go to aproject->Properties->Java Build Path->Libraries->Add
> Library Button and select SWT as the library.
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> We are in the process of getting an integration build together for today
> where dropping a shell should work.
Thanks, I found it.
I'm looking forward to that integration build since I'm keen to use VE for
a minor GUI project. I usually don't like to be on the bleeding edge with
tools, but frankly none of the commercial GUI designer plugins for Eclipse
are suitable for the individual/hobbyist developer -- the "community"
versions I find are too crippled, and the feature-complete versions are
unreasonably priced. And I certainly don't want to turn to JBloater or
NetBeans for my GUI design needs. I've had my fill with them.
So you can expect bug reports from me, both for WinXP and Linux/GTK+.
Should I report nightly and integration build bugs on Bugzilla, or is
there a less formal procedure preferred for such builds?
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| Re: Installing VE 1.0.0 on Eclipse3.0M7 issue [message #20178 is a reply to message #19405] |
Thu, 19 February 2004 05:03 |
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Originally posted by: Norbert.Mallien.Wettschereck-Partner.de
Hi Rich,
sorry for beeing absent some days, but let my try to remember how this
license issue came up...
First of all, I'm using Eclipse on a WIN2000SP4-System.
Here the procedure :
1.) Dowload and exctract M7 into an empty directory.
2.) Download & install JDT (just copy)
3.) Startup Eclipse, retrieve my project from CVS and rebuild it -->OK
5.) Dowload and Extract GEF-runtime-I20031015
6.) Dowload and Extract emf_2.0.0_20031219_0637VL
7.) Dowload and Extract VE-runtime-IM520040209a
8.) Startup Eclipse and open up the Update Manager
9.) Create an update bookmark ("Add local Site"for EMF and follwed the
installation steps. Reboot Eclipse.-->OK
10.) Similar for GEF --> OK
11.) Similar for VE--> License issue on the last installation step.
Same procedure with more recent versions of GEF and EMF gave the same
results.
Later on, I fiddled around little bit....
However, I managed it (don't, know how anymore), to install state the
VE1.0.0 as valid configuration within the configuration overview. I was
quite happy, because all VE-menus where visible from now on. But opening a
class created with the 0.5.0 Version of VE was disappointing. It gave a
"red" error message in the left lower corder of eclipse and tells me that he
cannot open the desired editor.
This was the point I finally gave up. Obviously binary not compatible.
Best regards
Norbert (NM)
P.S. Even if this issue does not work( I know that it's not a release
version) : My highest respect on the work you folks are doing...
"Rich Kulp" <richkulp@NO.SPAM.us.ibm.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:c102qb$3ut$1@eclipse.org...
> Nightly builds are just that. They may or may not work. It is the
> integration and stable builds that should be better.
>
> But thanks for the testing because we did not know there was such a
> problem with the license. Can you give me the exact process you used to
> do the installation? Because it has been working for us, maybe you are
> doing something slightly different.
>
> By the way, what system are you on. We've actually only done major tests
> on Windows for M7. We haven't tried Linux yet.
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> --
> Thanks, Rich Kulp
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| Re: Installing VE 1.0.0 on Eclipse3.0M7 issue [message #20208 is a reply to message #20200] |
Fri, 20 February 2004 10:32 |
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Originally posted by: richkulp.NO.SPAM.us.ibm.com
I don't know where I got 0.5.0 from. :-( but one thing for sure is that
the drivers before yesterday do not work on M7 at all. So I don't know
about licenses, but I do know it wouldn't of worked anyway what you
originally tried.
As for licenses, we don't install in the manner you were trying. You
just unzip over top.
I'm glad it is coming up now for you.
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Thanks, Rich Kulp
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| Re: Installing VE 1.0.0 on Eclipse3.0M7 issue [message #581374 is a reply to message #19135] |
Wed, 18 February 2004 04:51 |
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On Mon, 16 Feb 2004 10:05:32 -0500, Rich Kulp
<richkulp@NO.SPAM.us.ibm.com> wrote:
> VE doesn't run on M7 yet.
Erm, that's not what the download page for nightly build N20040216 says.
;-)
These are the prerequisites to install the Visual Editor. They must be
downloaded and installed before the Visual Editor can be installed.
Eclipse build 3.0M7: (build page) (download win32 zip)
EMF build 2.0.0: (build page) (download zip)
GEF Build I20040212: (build page) (download zip)
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| Re: Installing VE 1.0.0 on Eclipse3.0M7 issue [message #581447 is a reply to message #19313] |
Wed, 18 February 2004 11:13 |
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Originally posted by: richkulp.NO.SPAM.us.ibm.com
Nightly builds are just that. They may or may not work. It is the
integration and stable builds that should be better.
But thanks for the testing because we did not know there was such a
problem with the license. Can you give me the exact process you used to
do the installation? Because it has been working for us, maybe you are
doing something slightly different.
By the way, what system are you on. We've actually only done major tests
on Windows for M7. We haven't tried Linux yet.
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Thanks, Rich Kulp
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| Re: Installing VE 1.0.0 on Eclipse3.0M7 issue [message #581456 is a reply to message #19405] |
Wed, 18 February 2004 11:44 |
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On Wed, 18 Feb 2004 11:13:55 -0500, Rich Kulp
<richkulp@NO.SPAM.us.ibm.com> wrote:
> Nightly builds are just that. They may or may not work. It is the
> integration and stable builds that should be better.
>
> But thanks for the testing because we did not know there was such a
> problem with the license. Can you give me the exact process you used to
> do the installation? Because it has been working for us, maybe you are
> doing something slightly different.
>
> By the way, what system are you on. We've actually only done major tests
> on Windows for M7. We haven't tried Linux yet.
I can't speak for the original poster NM, but I did try the nightly build
myself, along with the versions of GEF and EMF indicated on the download
page. Unsurprisingly, not one damn thing installed correctly. ;-)
I'm using M7 under KDE 3.1 on SuSE Linux Professional 9.0. The version of
GTK+ installed is 2.2.3. First I installed EMF, restarted Eclipse, and got
nothing, not under the plugin dialog nor the plugins manager. Then I
installed XSD, thinking perhaps there was a dependency there, but still
nothing. I proceeded to install GEF anyhow, restarted, and yep, you
guessed it: nothing. Finally I installed the nightly build of VE and...
well you get the picture. ;-)
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| Re: Installing VE 1.0.0 on Eclipse3.0M7 issue [message #581501 is a reply to message #19451] |
Wed, 18 February 2004 12:02 |
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Originally posted by: richkulp.NO.SPAM.us.ibm.com
M7 is different in that it doesn't apply the updates until you
explicitly request them.
Did you go to Help->Software Updates->Manage Configuration, and
from there select "Process Detected Changes"? Until you do that you
won't see the udpates.
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Thanks, Rich Kulp
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| Re: Installing VE 1.0.0 on Eclipse3.0M7 issue [message #581512 is a reply to message #19496] |
Wed, 18 February 2004 12:31 |
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On Wed, 18 Feb 2004 12:02:22 -0500, Rich Kulp
<richkulp@NO.SPAM.us.ibm.com> wrote:
> M7 is different in that it doesn't apply the updates until you
> explicitly request them.
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> Did you go to Help->Software Updates->Manage Configuration, and
> from there select "Process Detected Changes"? Until you do that you
> won't see the udpates.
Guess I didn't read the "New and Noteworthy Features" close enough, silly
me. I'll give that a whirl.
I assumed it was attempting to load the plugins because the splash screen
flashed off and back on, just like in pre-M7 versions when Eclipse
detected new plugins during startup and restarted itself to install the
new classes (I assume that's Eclipse's base classloader re-initializing
everything).
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| Re: Installing VE 1.0.0 on Eclipse3.0M7 issue [message #581529 is a reply to message #19496] |
Wed, 18 February 2004 13:18 |
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OK, the aforementioned builds of EMF, GEF, and VE all load up and work
under Linux/GTK+. Visual editing is sluggish, but Eclipse under GTK+ is
sluggish in general so it's probably not VE's fault.
The 1.x stream is looking good so far. I don't see a reference
implementation for SWT, at least not in the new class wizard templates.
Isn't there supposed to be one?
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| Re: Installing VE 1.0.0 on Eclipse3.0M7 issue [message #581671 is a reply to message #19753] |
Wed, 18 February 2004 14:29 |
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Originally posted by: richkulp.NO.SPAM.us.ibm.com
Take a look at the Help->About Eclipse->Plugins and see if
org.eclipse.ve.swt plugin is in there. If it is, SWT is in there,
however, it is very limited, and dropping a shell doesn't work.
You need to go to aproject->Properties->Java Build Path->Libraries->Add
Library Button and select SWT as the library.
We are in the process of getting an integration build together for today
where dropping a shell should work.
--
Thanks, Rich Kulp
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| Re: Installing VE 1.0.0 on Eclipse3.0M7 issue [message #581691 is a reply to message #19802] |
Wed, 18 February 2004 15:13 |
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On Wed, 18 Feb 2004 14:29:55 -0500, Rich Kulp
<richkulp@NO.SPAM.us.ibm.com> wrote:
> Take a look at the Help->About Eclipse->Plugins and see if
> org.eclipse.ve.swt plugin is in there. If it is, SWT is in there,
> however, it is very limited, and dropping a shell doesn't work.
>
> You need to go to aproject->Properties->Java Build Path->Libraries->Add
> Library Button and select SWT as the library.
>
> We are in the process of getting an integration build together for today
> where dropping a shell should work.
Thanks, I found it.
I'm looking forward to that integration build since I'm keen to use VE for
a minor GUI project. I usually don't like to be on the bleeding edge with
tools, but frankly none of the commercial GUI designer plugins for Eclipse
are suitable for the individual/hobbyist developer -- the "community"
versions I find are too crippled, and the feature-complete versions are
unreasonably priced. And I certainly don't want to turn to JBloater or
NetBeans for my GUI design needs. I've had my fill with them.
So you can expect bug reports from me, both for WinXP and Linux/GTK+.
Should I report nightly and integration build bugs on Bugzilla, or is
there a less formal procedure preferred for such builds?
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| Re: Installing VE 1.0.0 on Eclipse3.0M7 issue [message #581701 is a reply to message #19846] |
Wed, 18 February 2004 16:00 |
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Originally posted by: richkulp.NO.SPAM.us.ibm.com
There is no procedure for nightly builds. You can open bugzilla and we
can determine if it is because it is a nightly build problem or is a
true bug which we need to fix.
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Thanks, Rich Kulp
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| Re: Installing VE 1.0.0 on Eclipse3.0M7 issue [message #581814 is a reply to message #19405] |
Thu, 19 February 2004 05:03 |
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Hi Rich,
sorry for beeing absent some days, but let my try to remember how this
license issue came up...
First of all, I'm using Eclipse on a WIN2000SP4-System.
Here the procedure :
1.) Dowload and exctract M7 into an empty directory.
2.) Download & install JDT (just copy)
3.) Startup Eclipse, retrieve my project from CVS and rebuild it -->OK
5.) Dowload and Extract GEF-runtime-I20031015
6.) Dowload and Extract emf_2.0.0_20031219_0637VL
7.) Dowload and Extract VE-runtime-IM520040209a
8.) Startup Eclipse and open up the Update Manager
9.) Create an update bookmark ("Add local Site"for EMF and follwed the
installation steps. Reboot Eclipse.-->OK
10.) Similar for GEF --> OK
11.) Similar for VE--> License issue on the last installation step.
Same procedure with more recent versions of GEF and EMF gave the same
results.
Later on, I fiddled around little bit....
However, I managed it (don't, know how anymore), to install state the
VE1.0.0 as valid configuration within the configuration overview. I was
quite happy, because all VE-menus where visible from now on. But opening a
class created with the 0.5.0 Version of VE was disappointing. It gave a
"red" error message in the left lower corder of eclipse and tells me that he
cannot open the desired editor.
This was the point I finally gave up. Obviously binary not compatible.
Best regards
Norbert (NM)
P.S. Even if this issue does not work( I know that it's not a release
version) : My highest respect on the work you folks are doing...
"Rich Kulp" <richkulp@NO.SPAM.us.ibm.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:c102qb$3ut$1@eclipse.org...
> Nightly builds are just that. They may or may not work. It is the
> integration and stable builds that should be better.
>
> But thanks for the testing because we did not know there was such a
> problem with the license. Can you give me the exact process you used to
> do the installation? Because it has been working for us, maybe you are
> doing something slightly different.
>
> By the way, what system are you on. We've actually only done major tests
> on Windows for M7. We haven't tried Linux yet.
>
>
> --
> Thanks, Rich Kulp
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>
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| Re: Installing VE 1.0.0 on Eclipse3.0M7 issue [message #581884 is a reply to message #20178] |
Thu, 19 February 2004 12:47 |
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Originally posted by: richkulp.NO.SPAM.us.ibm.com
V0.5.0 will not work on M7 at all. IM520040209a will not work on M7 at
all. There were changes in M7 that completely blocked ve 0.5.0 or
IM52004209a from working on it.
The only version that works on M7 is the integration build we just put
out yesterday, plus the changed pre-reqs for GEF as listed in the
download page.
Also, don't use update manager local site for installation of
EMF/GEF/VE. Simply unzip them over the eclipse directory. Though in M7
you do need to go to the update manager and do "Process Detected
Changes" after the unzip to pick up the new files. We aren't set up to
use update configuration in the manner shown.
Also, why are you downloading JDT, if you get the eclipse sdk you get
JDT automatically?
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Thanks, Rich Kulp
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| Re: Installing VE 1.0.0 on Eclipse3.0M7 issue [message #581965 is a reply to message #20187] |
Fri, 20 February 2004 03:50 |
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Hello Rich,
have I missed something?
Never tried it on the M7 with VE 0.5.0 (Know that it's not compatible).
By the way : I'm downloading the binaries because I don't want to get
involved with the code (I certanly would if I see the sources...)
Anyway. I took a look at the download pages this morning, downloaded the
latest sources, extracted and copied them and everything works fine :-)
Thanks for your support. I really appreciate that.
Maybe I could help a little bit with this license issue...
Regards
Norbert
"Rich Kulp" <richkulp@NO.SPAM.us.ibm.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:c12smj$ddr$1@eclipse.org...
> V0.5.0 will not work on M7 at all. IM520040209a will not work on M7 at
> all. There were changes in M7 that completely blocked ve 0.5.0 or
> IM52004209a from working on it.
>
> The only version that works on M7 is the integration build we just put
> out yesterday, plus the changed pre-reqs for GEF as listed in the
> download page.
>
> Also, don't use update manager local site for installation of
> EMF/GEF/VE. Simply unzip them over the eclipse directory. Though in M7
> you do need to go to the update manager and do "Process Detected
> Changes" after the unzip to pick up the new files. We aren't set up to
> use update configuration in the manner shown.
>
> Also, why are you downloading JDT, if you get the eclipse sdk you get
> JDT automatically?
>
>
> --
> Thanks, Rich Kulp
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>
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| Re: Installing VE 1.0.0 on Eclipse3.0M7 issue [message #582008 is a reply to message #20200] |
Fri, 20 February 2004 10:32 |
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Originally posted by: richkulp.NO.SPAM.us.ibm.com
I don't know where I got 0.5.0 from. :-( but one thing for sure is that
the drivers before yesterday do not work on M7 at all. So I don't know
about licenses, but I do know it wouldn't of worked anyway what you
originally tried.
As for licenses, we don't install in the manner you were trying. You
just unzip over top.
I'm glad it is coming up now for you.
--
Thanks, Rich Kulp
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