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| [ANN] New CSS Editor plugin [message #12449] |
Fri, 09 January 2004 12:43  |
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Hi all,
this being the newsgroup where a lot(?) of people hang around waiting for a
web tools project to be started, I thought it might be a good idea to inform
you that I've just released an open-source plugin that aims to bring
sophisticated authoring of CSS style sheets to the Eclipse platform.
See <http://net.sourceforge.csseditor/>
Note that the plugin *requires* Eclipse 3.0 M6. Simply because the target
platform is Eclipse 3, and I'm hoping that that makes the development easier.
I've been working on this for some time before releasing this version, so
there's already more than you might expect from the typical sourceforge
version 0.0.x plugin for Eclipse. I'd be happy to hear your comments and
suggestions. Contributors of code and ideas are most welcome!
Cheers,
Christopher Lenz
/=/ cmlenz at gmx.de
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| Re: [ANN] New CSS Editor plugin [message #12587 is a reply to message #12566] |
Mon, 12 January 2004 08:20  |
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Sjoerd van Leent wrote:
> Christopher Lenz wrote:
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>>It's CPL. I probably should make that somewhat clearer ;-)
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> Well then, I don't see why it wouldn't become part of the WebTools
> project. However (again :-D ) the webtools project doesn't seem to get
> started, we need a common design for it at first.
Yes. I wouldn't object a contribution to the Web tools project in general.
However, besides suspecting that this project isn't ever going to happen,
I'm also afraid that if/when it happens, it'll do in a way that I won't feel
comfortable with.
In my opinion, this project should provide the basic tools for web
development. That includes support for web standards such as HTTP, XML/HTML,
CSS and ECMAScript, maybe even XSLT and Web Services. It does *not* include
support for specific server-side development platforms such as JSP/J2EE (and
I know a lot of people disagree with me here). It should provide a platform
*on top of which* one could build JSP, PHP or WebWare (for example)
development tools.
Most of web development today is about editing HTML/CSS files, whether it's
in static files or embedded in JSP or PHP files. And we don't want every
tool that support specific server-side technologies to have to come up with
it's own HTML/CSS/JS tools, each with limited functionality because
traditionally server-side web developers are just annoyed by the client-side
technology ;-)
Enough ranting. I really hope the web tools project will one day get started
for real, and that it will provide the general usability that I personally
have come to expect from the Eclipse project.
BTW, I'd be totally happy to collaborate with developers that share this
vision for a web development tools project.
Cheers,
Christopher Lenz
/=/ cmlenz at gmx.de
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| Re: [ANN] New CSS Editor plugin [message #12605 is a reply to message #12587] |
Mon, 12 January 2004 12:51 |
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Christopher Lenz wrote:
> In my opinion, this project should provide the basic tools for web
> development. That includes support for web standards such as HTTP, XML/HTML,
> CSS and ECMAScript, maybe even XSLT and Web Services. It does *not* include
> support for specific server-side development platforms such as JSP/J2EE (and
> I know a lot of people disagree with me here). It should provide a platform
> *on top of which* one could build JSP, PHP or WebWare (for example)
> development tools.
> Most of web development today is about editing HTML/CSS files, whether it's
> in static files or embedded in JSP or PHP files. And we don't want every
> tool that support specific server-side technologies to have to come up with
> it's own HTML/CSS/JS tools, each with limited functionality because
> traditionally server-side web developers are just annoyed by the client-side
> technology ;-)
I believe that the webtools project was intended to address JSP & J2EE
integration, but I too would be interested in a web development tools
project that was not Java centric.
Perhaps this implies we need to start another project, we seem to have
more community volunteers working on HTML, CSS, JavaScript than J2EE
anyway?
Perhaps we just need to rally together, I'm sure that the people currently
working on the best editors would be interested in collaboration since the
going-it-along approach is hard to scale.
--
Alex Fitzpatrick
https://sourceforge.net/projects/jseditor/
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| Re: [ANN] New CSS Editor plugin [message #12689 is a reply to message #12587] |
Mon, 12 January 2004 15:32 |
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Christopher Lenz wrote:
> Most of web development today is about editing HTML/CSS files, whether it's
> in static files or embedded in JSP or PHP files. And we don't want every
> tool that support specific server-side technologies to have to come up with
> it's own HTML/CSS/JS tools, each with limited functionality because
> traditionally server-side web developers are just annoyed by the client-side
> technology ;-)
Agreed and not agreed at the same time.
I think the base project should indeed only cover the basics such as HTML,
XML, XHTML, XForms and CSS (I don't think Javascript because in my opinion
it should be last resort and is mostly not needed with proper CSS usage).
However, I think that subprojects of this "main" project could be specific
to one type of development such as J2EE, PHP, .NET or other ways of
web-based development.
In my opinion we should start with the basics, thus first a decent design
for integrating differen plug-ins upon the base and of course the base
itself.
For instance, the XML editor (where upon XHTML and XForms can be layed
out) should have an extensible feature to append namespace translators for
code completion to it (Perhaps a priority mechanism should be
implemented). It should also have a Doctype and X-Schema reader.
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| Re: [ANN] New CSS Editor plugin [message #12710 is a reply to message #12587] |
Mon, 12 January 2004 22:40 |
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Originally posted by: ed.burnette.REMOVE.THIS.sas.com
"Christopher Lenz" <cmlenz@gmx.de> wrote in message
news:btu6k7$44e$1@eclipse.org...
> In my opinion, this project should provide the basic tools for web
> development. That includes support for web standards such as HTTP,
XML/HTML,
> CSS and ECMAScript, maybe even XSLT and Web Services. It does *not*
include
> support for specific server-side development platforms such as JSP/J2EE
(and
> I know a lot of people disagree with me here). It should provide a
platform
> *on top of which* one could build JSP, PHP or WebWare (for example)
> development tools.
Editing text files is just part of the picture, but I like the idea of
making the Java/non-Java split more clear (like Platform vs. JDT). Here's my
wish list for Eclipse Web Tools:
- Editors for Web artifacts (HTML, JavaScript, XML, CSS, JSP, J2EE
descriptors, etc.)
- Script file source debugging (JSR045)
- Support for emerging technologies like Tapestry, JSF
- Project, file, and bean wizards
- XDoclet Support
- Automated deployment support
- Archive creation (.war, .ear files, etc.)
- Integrated but pluggable browser and server
- Integration with popular application servers (Bejy, JBoss, Oracle 9i/AS,
Orion, Tomcat, WebLogic and WebSphere)
- Management console for server control
- Performance analysis support
- Testability support
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| Re: [ANN] New CSS Editor plugin [message #12732 is a reply to message #12587] |
Mon, 12 January 2004 23:13 |
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Originally posted by: richardluong.msn.com
I think we can all agree that this webtools project is never going to
get off the ground. But there seems to be a lot of people here still
interested. Maybe we should have a "call to arms" and just start it
ourselves. I recall some companies wanting to donate time/code. I
think some project called "Expresso" was interested. Obviously we have
this fine CSS Editor plugin. ;-) And I'm sure there are a few others
floating around for XML, HTML, Javascript, and everything else.
Why not contact all these people, and get something going? So it'll be
outside of Eclipse and on Sourceforge. Is that really a big deal??
Maybe after the project is big enough, Eclipse might actually consider
taking it over.
As far as what it supports, I don't think that it really matters. As
long as it's "pluggable" in some sort of fashion. I recall a Colored
Editor plugin based off of jEdit, that used XML files for syntax
highlighting. Couldn't we do something similar to support "x" number of
languages? I understand it gets more complicated when we consider such
things as code completion, but maybe we could come up with some sort of
template that can handle that. The JBoss-IDE plugin allows me to have
XDoclet code completion, so I can't be way off. Heck, maybe even the
guy in charge of the JBoss-IDE plugin will let us incorporate his code
as well!
How many of you think this is feasible? How many of you think you'd be
willing to help code/integrate/test? How many projects do you think we
could get to allow us to include their code?
Any takers?
Richard.
Christopher Lenz wrote:
> Sjoerd van Leent wrote:
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>> Christopher Lenz wrote:
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>>> It's CPL. I probably should make that somewhat clearer ;-)
>>
>>
>> Well then, I don't see why it wouldn't become part of the WebTools
>> project. However (again :-D ) the webtools project doesn't seem to get
>> started, we need a common design for it at first.
>
>
> Yes. I wouldn't object a contribution to the Web tools project in
> general. However, besides suspecting that this project isn't ever going
> to happen, I'm also afraid that if/when it happens, it'll do in a way
> that I won't feel comfortable with.
>
> In my opinion, this project should provide the basic tools for web
> development. That includes support for web standards such as HTTP,
> XML/HTML, CSS and ECMAScript, maybe even XSLT and Web Services. It does
> *not* include support for specific server-side development platforms
> such as JSP/J2EE (and I know a lot of people disagree with me here). It
> should provide a platform *on top of which* one could build JSP, PHP or
> WebWare (for example) development tools.
>
> Most of web development today is about editing HTML/CSS files, whether
> it's in static files or embedded in JSP or PHP files. And we don't want
> every tool that support specific server-side technologies to have to
> come up with it's own HTML/CSS/JS tools, each with limited functionality
> because traditionally server-side web developers are just annoyed by the
> client-side technology ;-)
>
> Enough ranting. I really hope the web tools project will one day get
> started for real, and that it will provide the general usability that I
> personally have come to expect from the Eclipse project.
>
> BTW, I'd be totally happy to collaborate with developers that share this
> vision for a web development tools project.
>
> Cheers,
> Christopher Lenz
> /=/ cmlenz at gmx.de
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| Re: [ANN] New CSS Editor plugin [message #12814 is a reply to message #12605] |
Tue, 13 January 2004 06:19 |
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Hi all,
Alex Fitzpatrick wrote:
> Christopher Lenz wrote:
>>In my opinion, this project should provide the basic tools for web
>>development. That includes support for web standards such as HTTP, XML/HTML,
>>CSS and ECMAScript, maybe even XSLT and Web Services. It does *not* include
>>support for specific server-side development platforms such as JSP/J2EE (and
>>I know a lot of people disagree with me here). It should provide a platform
>>*on top of which* one could build JSP, PHP or WebWare (for example)
>>development tools.
>
>>Most of web development today is about editing HTML/CSS files, whether it's
>>in static files or embedded in JSP or PHP files. And we don't want every
>>tool that support specific server-side technologies to have to come up with
>>it's own HTML/CSS/JS tools, each with limited functionality because
>>traditionally server-side web developers are just annoyed by the client-side
>>technology ;-)
>
> I believe that the webtools project was intended to address JSP & J2EE
> integration, but I too would be interested in a web development tools
> project that was not Java centric.
>
> Perhaps this implies we need to start another project, we seem to have
> more community volunteers working on HTML, CSS, JavaScript than J2EE
> anyway?
Not sure, but I don't really care very much either :-)
This is open-source development: I simply scratch my itch. I want a
kick-ass environment for general web-development (which for me includes
HTML, CSS, JavaScript, XML and XSLT). I started with CSS because I
thought it might be one of the simpler technologies to support (not so
sure anymore), and because there were already more or less decent
plugins for most of the others.
> Perhaps we just need to rally together, I'm sure that the people currently
> working on the best editors would be interested in collaboration since the
> going-it-along approach is hard to scale.
As I said, I'd be happy to collaborate with any open-source project that
has a vision which is compatible to my own ;-)
If you're interested in putting jseditor.sf.net and csseditor.sf.net
under a common umbrella, let's do it! If Igor would like to donate some
XML/HTML code from the SolarEclipse code base that would rock too. Just
as long as nobody brings in their JSP editor :-P
Cheers,
Christopher Lenz
/=/ cmlenz at gmx.de
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| Re: [ANN] New CSS Editor plugin [message #15350 is a reply to message #14996] |
Fri, 23 January 2004 07:51 |
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Originally posted by: jens.ja-web.de
Jörg Schaible wrote:
> Jens Ansorg wrote:
>>Did it work for you? which eclipse version?
>>Jens
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> For me it worked in 2.1.x and up to 3.0M4 (Windows). Newer versions not
> checked.
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I missed the batik lib, now it works
thanks
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