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| JBuilder to Eclipse Migration [message #30084] |
Mon, 01 September 2003 16:28  |
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Originally posted by: bogdan.oproescu.credit-suisse.ch
Hello Eclipse Support,
We are considering migrating from JBuilder 7.0 to
the Eclipse IDE here at Credit Suisse. To make this
migration more efficient we were wondering if you
at Eclipse have any WhitePapers or Documents
or Guides on this Eclipse to JBuilder Migration
that were performed for past projects.
If you do have any such information
please respond to me asap.
Best Regards,
Bogdan Oproescu
CREDIT SUISSE FINANCIAL SERVICES
Technology & Services
Advanced Middleware &
Development Environments KTXA 2
Postfach 600
CH-8070 Zürich
Tel.: +41 1 334 6846
Fax.:+41 1 332 8024
E-Mail: bogdan.oproescu@credit-suisse.ch
Internet: http://www.credit-suisse.ch/de/index.html
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| Re: JBuilder to Eclipse Migration [message #30157 is a reply to message #30121] |
Tue, 02 September 2003 13:33  |
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Originally posted by: bogdan.oproescu.credit-suisse.ch
Tom wrote:
> What kind of projects are you looking to migrate?
> Simple Java Applications would be easy. Web apps (jsp - servlet) a
> bit harder, and EJBs possibly harder still.
Hi Tom,
Many thanks for your reply. We are interested in
all of the Application Types you mentioned: Simple Java Apps,
Web Apps, and EJB Apps. But any information for any of the above
would be a good starting point. If you have such public documents
I would appreciate this info.
All The Best and Cheers, Bogdan
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| Re: JBuilder to Eclipse Migration [message #30192 is a reply to message #30157] |
Wed, 03 September 2003 06:07 |
 Kevin Duffey
Messages: 304
Registered: July 2009 |
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We migrated a large AR package over and with a bit of effort it worked fine.
However, it should be noted that if your projects are centered around ant
build scripts and not using any JBuilder specific build facility, you should
have far less trouble. If you are not using Ant, I'd suggest you start
retooling into using it as it is much more powerful. I strongly agree with
the notion that you center around the build script and not the IDE itself.
One thing we found, JBuilder allows you to build a JAR file pretty easily,
Eclipse does not without the aid of either manually building the .jar file
from dirs, or a simple ant build script that does so as part of the normal
IDE build process. I personally do the entire build as a single build script
including the nightly build process (full CVS get, full clean, unit tests,
javadocs, etc), local dev compiles, distribution and ftp process, etc. I
have been told Eclipse's debugger is much better, and tighter integration
into JBoss/Tomcat is possible with eclipse.
"Bogdan Oproescu" <bogdan.oproescu@credit-suisse.ch> wrote in message
news:bj2684$pro$1@eclipse.org...
> Tom wrote:
>
> > What kind of projects are you looking to migrate?
>
> > Simple Java Applications would be easy. Web apps (jsp - servlet) a
> > bit harder, and EJBs possibly harder still.
>
>
> Hi Tom,
>
> Many thanks for your reply. We are interested in
> all of the Application Types you mentioned: Simple Java Apps,
> Web Apps, and EJB Apps. But any information for any of the above
> would be a good starting point. If you have such public documents
> I would appreciate this info.
>
> All The Best and Cheers, Bogdan
>
>
>
>
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| Re: JBuilder to Eclipse Migration [message #30228 is a reply to message #30192] |
Thu, 18 September 2003 16:51 |
| Eclipse User |
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Originally posted by: bogdan.oproescu.csfs.com
Hi Kevin,
Many thanks for your message. So if you have Migrated this
AR Package to Eclipse did you keep any notes or document
when you did this? This may be helpful for you in the future
and also for others trying the same migration process.
All The Best and Cheers, Bogdan
Bogdan Oproescu
Email: bogdan.oproescu@csfs.com
Kevin wrote:
> We migrated a large AR package over and with a bit of effort it worked fine.
> However, it should be noted that if your projects are centered around ant
> build scripts and not using any JBuilder specific build facility, you should
> have far less trouble. If you are not using Ant, I'd suggest you start
> retooling into using it as it is much more powerful. I strongly agree with
> the notion that you center around the build script and not the IDE itself.
> One thing we found, JBuilder allows you to build a JAR file pretty easily,
> Eclipse does not without the aid of either manually building the .jar file
> from dirs, or a simple ant build script that does so as part of the normal
> IDE build process. I personally do the entire build as a single build script
> including the nightly build process (full CVS get, full clean, unit tests,
> javadocs, etc), local dev compiles, distribution and ftp process, etc. I
> have been told Eclipse's debugger is much better, and tighter integration
> into JBoss/Tomcat is possible with eclipse.
> "Bogdan Oproescu" <bogdan.oproescu@credit-suisse.ch> wrote in message
> news:bj2684$pro$1@eclipse.org...
> > Tom wrote:
> >
> > > What kind of projects are you looking to migrate?
> >
> > > Simple Java Applications would be easy. Web apps (jsp - servlet) a
> > > bit harder, and EJBs possibly harder still.
> >
> >
> > Hi Tom,
> >
> > Many thanks for your reply. We are interested in
> > all of the Application Types you mentioned: Simple Java Apps,
> > Web Apps, and EJB Apps. But any information for any of the above
> > would be a good starting point. If you have such public documents
> > I would appreciate this info.
> >
> > All The Best and Cheers, Bogdan
> >
> >
> >
> >
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| Re: JBuilder to Eclipse Migration [message #30264 is a reply to message #30228] |
Fri, 19 September 2003 22:24 |
| Eclipse User |
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Originally posted by: kduffey.marketron.com
Hey there,
Not really, no. We sort of "know it" because we have done it a few times
now, and are teaching others in the company how to do it. Basically there
are some things Eclipse doesn't do as well as JBuilder. For example, we have
a given application that consists of 8 projects. Don't ask for the details
as to why its 8 projects, it just is. However, we like to rebuild 2 or 3 of
them without all 8 rebuilding. Jbuilder was able to do this pretty easily,
Eclipse doesn't seem so. Creating a JAR as part of the built in process of a
rebuild was also done very easily in JBuilder, where as with Eclipse you
have to manually do it initially, although you can add an ant build script
to the ide build process and have it done for you, which is nice.
"Bogdan Oproescu" <bogdan.oproescu@csfs.com> wrote in message
news:bkcnql$svb$1@eclipse.org...
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> Hi Kevin,
>
> Many thanks for your message. So if you have Migrated this
> AR Package to Eclipse did you keep any notes or document
> when you did this? This may be helpful for you in the future
> and also for others trying the same migration process.
>
> All The Best and Cheers, Bogdan
>
> Bogdan Oproescu
>
> Email: bogdan.oproescu@csfs.com
>
> Kevin wrote:
>
> > We migrated a large AR package over and with a bit of effort it worked
fine.
> > However, it should be noted that if your projects are centered around
ant
> > build scripts and not using any JBuilder specific build facility, you
should
> > have far less trouble. If you are not using Ant, I'd suggest you start
> > retooling into using it as it is much more powerful. I strongly agree
with
> > the notion that you center around the build script and not the IDE
itself.
>
> > One thing we found, JBuilder allows you to build a JAR file pretty
easily,
> > Eclipse does not without the aid of either manually building the .jar
file
> > from dirs, or a simple ant build script that does so as part of the
normal
> > IDE build process. I personally do the entire build as a single build
script
> > including the nightly build process (full CVS get, full clean, unit
tests,
> > javadocs, etc), local dev compiles, distribution and ftp process, etc. I
> > have been told Eclipse's debugger is much better, and tighter
integration
> > into JBoss/Tomcat is possible with eclipse.
>
>
> > "Bogdan Oproescu" <bogdan.oproescu@credit-suisse.ch> wrote in message
> > news:bj2684$pro$1@eclipse.org...
> > > Tom wrote:
> > >
> > > > What kind of projects are you looking to migrate?
> > >
> > > > Simple Java Applications would be easy. Web apps (jsp - servlet) a
> > > > bit harder, and EJBs possibly harder still.
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi Tom,
> > >
> > > Many thanks for your reply. We are interested in
> > > all of the Application Types you mentioned: Simple Java Apps,
> > > Web Apps, and EJB Apps. But any information for any of the above
> > > would be a good starting point. If you have such public documents
> > > I would appreciate this info.
> > >
> > > All The Best and Cheers, Bogdan
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
>
>
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| Re: JBuilder to Eclipse Migration [message #30301 is a reply to message #30264] |
Mon, 29 September 2003 17:49 |
Tyler Van Gorder
Messages: 7
Registered: July 2009 |
Junior Member |
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> Hello Eclipse Support,
>
> We are considering migrating from JBuilder 7.0 to
> the Eclipse IDE here at Credit Suisse. To make this
> migration more efficient we were wondering if you
> at Eclipse have any WhitePapers or Documents
> or Guides on this Eclipse to JBuilder Migration
> that were performed for past projects.
>
> If you do have any such information
> please respond to me asap.
We made the jump from Jbuilder 4 to Eclipse about a year ago and there
is definitely a learning curve. Our project was quite large (2000+)
classes divided into 8 related sub-projects.
It took us about 2 months to regain complete productivity after making
the switch and I have to say we have been very pleased with the end
results. We are no longer paying for IDE upgrades every 6 months and
most things we could do in Jbuilder we can do with Eclipse.
We did not rely heavily on Jbuilder's extended IDE capabilities
(specifically application server integration), so I suspect that made
our jump easier. Eclpise has very good integration with ANT and if
your build process is not yet using ANT, you should definitely consider it.
The only thing that we really miss, is the ability to open an arbitrary
java file (one that is not in one of the projects) with the IDE.
Jbuilder handled this better. I believe this feature is slated for the
3.0 release of Eclipse.
Kevin wrote:
> Hey there,
>
> Not really, no. We sort of "know it" because we have done it a few times
> now, and are teaching others in the company how to do it. Basically there
> are some things Eclipse doesn't do as well as JBuilder. For example,
we have
> a given application that consists of 8 projects. Don't ask for the
details
> as to why its 8 projects, it just is. However, we like to rebuild 2
or 3 of
> them without all 8 rebuilding. Jbuilder was able to do this pretty
easily,
> Eclipse doesn't seem so. Creating a JAR as part of the built in
process of a
> rebuild was also done very easily in JBuilder, where as with Eclipse you
> have to manually do it initially, although you can add an ant build
script
> to the ide build process and have it done for you, which is nice.
Actually, there is a way to create a Jar through the IDE, but it is
"buried".
1) Right Mouse on your project in the package explorer.
2) Select "Export"
3) Select "Jar File"
This will open up the Jar package wizard. The final step allows
you to save a jar description file to be included in your project.
Tyler.
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| Re: JBuilder to Eclipse Migration [message #30337 is a reply to message #30301] |
Mon, 06 October 2003 00:22 |
| Eclipse User |
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Originally posted by: ed.burnette.REMOVE.THIS.sas.com
Plug-ins to the rescue!
Fileopen - can be found at www.eclipsepowered.org
Filedrag - see www.sourceforge.net/projects/sunshade
Both add a File...Open menu but work differently internally. Fileopen lets
you open files from the Windows desktop too.
--
Ed Burnette, co-author Eclipse in Action (www.manning.com/gallardo)
"Tyler Van Gorder" <tkv@landacorp.com> wrote in message
news:bl9r7d$bla$1@eclipse.org...
> The only thing that we really miss, is the ability to open an arbitrary
> java file (one that is not in one of the projects) with the IDE.
> Jbuilder handled this better. I believe this feature is slated for the
> 3.0 release of Eclipse.
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