Eclipse Community Forums: Newcomers » Newcomer first impression: Piece of Crap

Home » Newcomers » Newcomers » Newcomer first impression: Piece of Crap

Newcomer first impression: Piece of Crap [message #29777]

Tue, 01 March 2005 18:57

Eclipse User

This was my third or fourth attempt to grok eclipse, and every time, my
first impression has been "what a piece of crap". Eclipse is monumentally
unfriendly to experienced have users with complex projects to import.

Well, this time I finally got past it all and got one of my major projects
running. so I can offer some more coherent complaints.

1) The message "resource x is out of sync with the file system" is
ubiquitous. There seem to be at least three variations on it. Since
there is no other activity than what eclipse is doing, there is no
excuse for it to be confused or breaking itself in this way.

2) there ought to be a way to point eclipse at a project already
in place, and get it to use the sources in place.

3) there ought to be a way to include/exclude files or directories
from a project build list, without removing them from eclipse's
hierarchy view, and especially without deleting them from the file
system. Mature projects accumulate a lot of extra stuff which needs
to not confuse the IDE.

Re: Newcomer first impression: Piece of Crap [message #29783 is a reply to message #29777]

Tue, 01 March 2005 20:19

Eclipse User

Dave Dyer wrote:

>
> This was my third or fourth attempt to grok eclipse, and every time, my
> first impression has been "what a piece of crap". Eclipse is monumentally
> unfriendly to experienced have users with complex projects to import.
>
> Well, this time I finally got past it all and got one of my major projects
> running. so I can offer some more coherent complaints.
>
> 1) The message "resource x is out of sync with the file system" is
> ubiquitous. There seem to be at least three variations on it. Since
> there is no other activity than what eclipse is doing, there is no
> excuse for it to be confused or breaking itself in this way.
>

While I agree this can be incredibly annoying it sounds like something
somewhere touched your file(s) since Eclipse synched resources to file
system. Could you be running a build process outside of Eclipse control
or ... any number of things can do that. Eclipse can be (more than?) a
little bone headed about not seeing what it does not actually do itself.

> 2) there ought to be a way to point eclipse at a project already
> in place, and get it to use the sources in place.
>

There are ways, not all elegant but there are ways. The easiest is to
give in and make a new copy of the sources. It is an unfamiliar piece
of crap ide after all and Eclipse is quite capable of blowing your
existing source tree away if you slip up. You can import existing
projects into Eclipse without moving files around and while it isn't
always simple you can turn an existing file tree into an Eclipse project
with a .project file. Eclipse is big on CVS so it seems that making
copies of stuff is just par for the course.

> 3) there ought to be a way to include/exclude files or directories from
> a project build list, without removing them from eclipse's
> hierarchy view, and especially without deleting them from the file
> system. Mature projects accumulate a lot of extra stuff which needs
> to not confuse the IDE.
>

There are a number of ways to filter things out of views and build
lists. Try clicking the little down arrow icon in the right corner of
the Package Explorer view and click Filters to start. That may violate
the idea that junk in the src directories shouldn't bother the IDE but
clean src directories in large mature projects can be a good thing.

It is a fact that crap stinks. Some prefer the Eclipse stink to various
other stanky stinks. Welcome aboard.

Re: Newcomer first impression: Piece of Crap [message #29807 is a reply to message #29777]

Wed, 02 March 2005 10:14

Eclipse User

Originally posted by: wegener.cboenospam.com

Dave Dyer wrote:

> This was my third or fourth attempt to grok eclipse, and every time, my
> first impression has been "what a piece of crap". Eclipse is monumentally
> unfriendly to experienced have users with complex projects to import.

> Well, this time I finally got past it all and got one of my major projects
> running. so I can offer some more coherent complaints.

> 1) The message "resource x is out of sync with the file system" is
> ubiquitous. There seem to be at least three variations on it. Since
> there is no other activity than what eclipse is doing, there is no
> excuse for it to be confused or breaking itself in this way.

> 2) there ought to be a way to point eclipse at a project already
> in place, and get it to use the sources in place.

There is a way. When creating the project, uncheck use default location
and browse to where your project resides on the file system. Depending on
whether the location is the root of your package hiearchy, you may need to
define source directories under the base location.

> 3) there ought to be a way to include/exclude files or directories
> from a project build list, without removing them from eclipse's
> hierarchy view, and especially without deleting them from the file
> system. Mature projects accumulate a lot of extra stuff which needs
> to not confuse the IDE.

Re: Newcomer first impression: Piece of Crap [message #29811 is a reply to message #29777]

Wed, 02 March 2005 10:22

Eclipse User

Originally posted by: first_dot_last.somanetworks.com

Dave Dyer wrote:
>
snip, snip, snip....

> 3) there ought to be a way to include/exclude files or directories from
> a project build list, without removing them from eclipse's
> hierarchy view, and especially without deleting them from the file
> system. Mature projects accumulate a lot of extra stuff which needs
> to not confuse the IDE.
>

There is under the Java Build Path dialog of the project properties, a
tab to setup the source path. If you expand the source path, you will
see an include/exclude filter that can be edited (with the edit button).
Now just add the files you do not want to see, or build to the exclude
(bottom window) list.

You are done.

Hope this helps,
ronw

Re: Newcomer first impression: Piece of Crap [message #29817 is a reply to message #29777]

Wed, 02 March 2005 15:44

Eclipse User

Dave Dyer wrote:

> This was my third or fourth attempt to grok eclipse, and every time, my
> first impression has been "what a piece of crap". Eclipse is monumentally
> unfriendly to experienced have users with complex projects to import.

And what about noobs to java development? No better... I stuck around
netbeans for a long while before (today) giving it the flick for once and
for all. It is a *lot* friendlier for the absolute beginner but has lots
of annoying things too. And eclipse seems to run fine on my 256meg ram
machine at work - netbeans will barely open with that. So I am defintely
happy about being here.
Cheers
Antoine
ps. when is someone going to get real and put some stuff for noobs on the
welcome page? With all the big guns I would have thought a webbie for a
few days wouldn't break the bank and he/she could make something to
attract an even larger following than now...

Re: Newcomer first impression: Piece of Crap [message #29823 is a reply to message #29817]

Wed, 02 March 2005 18:04

Eclipse Webmaster

Messages: 607353
Registered: July 2009

Senior Member

> ps. when is someone going to get real and put some stuff for noobs on
> the welcome page?

Why wait? You're the person in the right shoes to go about this. Go
ahead and write the "Eclipse for noobs" article that you would have
liked to have when you got started with Eclipse and send it in!

See this page for more information:
http://www.eclipse.org/articles/index.html

Denis

Antoine wrote:
> Dave Dyer wrote:
>
>
>> This was my third or fourth attempt to grok eclipse, and every time, my
>> first impression has been "what a piece of crap". Eclipse is
>> monumentally
>> unfriendly to experienced have users with complex projects to import.
>
>
> And what about noobs to java development? No better... I stuck around
> netbeans for a long while before (today) giving it the flick for once
> and for all. It is a *lot* friendlier for the absolute beginner but has
> lots of annoying things too. And eclipse seems to run fine on my 256meg
> ram machine at work - netbeans will barely open with that. So I am
> defintely happy about being here.
> Cheers
> Antoine
> ps. when is someone going to get real and put some stuff for noobs on
> the welcome page? With all the big guns I would have thought a webbie
> for a few days wouldn't break the bank and he/she could make something
> to attract an even larger following than now...
>
>

--

Eclipse WebMaster - webmaster@eclipse.org
Questions? Consult the FAQ at http://www.eclipse.org/webmaster/faq.html
View my status at http://www.eclipse.org/webmaster/main.html

Previous Topic:	Extending the debugger?
Next Topic:	javap and -noqualifier option

Goto Forum:

-=] Back to Top [=-

Current Time: Thu Jul 17 09:25:34 EDT 2025

.:: Contact :: Home ::.

Breadcrumbs

Sign up to our Newsletter