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So when will Eclipse be totally Java 1.6??? [message #248582] Wed, 10 October 2007 14:27 Go to next message
Eclipse UserFriend
Originally posted by: kwarner.uneedspeed.net

Hi,

I'm running Eclipse 3.2 on Java 1.5.

I'm looking forward to the time when Eclipse
will ship with 1.6. Or maybe it does already.

What is the timeline for Eclipse and 1.6?

DemonDuck
Re: So when will Eclipse be totally Java 1.6??? [message #248588 is a reply to message #248582] Wed, 10 October 2007 14:43 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Eclipse UserFriend
Originally posted by: eclipse6.rizzoweb.com

DemonDuck wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I'm running Eclipse 3.2 on Java 1.5.
> I'm looking forward to the time when Eclipse
> will ship with 1.6. Or maybe it does already.
>
> What is the timeline for Eclipse and 1.6?

It's not clear what you're looking for. Eclipse does not ship "with" any
JRE or JDK - it will run under all Sun JVMs version 1.4.2 or later. Some
functionality of "common" Eclipse plugins is only available if you run
it under Java 5 or later; specifically, the WTP plugins mostly require
Java 5.
Many people (including myself and the team I am working with currently)
run Eclipse under Java 6, and a few people (nobody I know) probably even
use Java-6-specific code/features, too.

So what are you asking?

Eric
Re: So when will Eclipse be totally Java 1.6??? [message #248598 is a reply to message #248588] Wed, 10 October 2007 15:02 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Eclipse UserFriend
Originally posted by: kwarner.uneedspeed.net

I'm sort of asking the question you answered.

I'm looking for an optimum time to upgrade from Eclipse 3.2.2 to 3.x and from Java 1.5 to Java 1.6. Upgrading and installing Eclipse is not a trivial matter and I want to do it at a time when both Eclipse and Java 1.6 is stable and completely compatible with each other.

I guess it would be hard to say exactly when that would be. I'm just trying to get a feel for the flow of development.

I've had my head buried in my own work for quite a while now -- which is going well thanks to Eclipse -- and I haven't been paying much attention to the progress of Eclipse. Just trying to catch up...

DemonDuck

Eric Rizzo wrote:
> DemonDuck wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I'm running Eclipse 3.2 on Java 1.5. I'm looking forward to the time
>> when Eclipse
>> will ship with 1.6. Or maybe it does already.
>>
>> What is the timeline for Eclipse and 1.6?
>
>
> It's not clear what you're looking for. Eclipse does not ship "with" any
> JRE or JDK - it will run under all Sun JVMs version 1.4.2 or later. Some
> functionality of "common" Eclipse plugins is only available if you run
> it under Java 5 or later; specifically, the WTP plugins mostly require
> Java 5.
> Many people (including myself and the team I am working with currently)
> run Eclipse under Java 6, and a few people (nobody I know) probably even
> use Java-6-specific code/features, too.
>
> So what are you asking?
>
> Eric
Re: So when will Eclipse be totally Java 1.6??? [message #248613 is a reply to message #248598] Wed, 10 October 2007 16:37 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Eclipse UserFriend
Originally posted by: wharley.bea.com

"DemonDuck" <kwarner@uneedspeed.net> wrote in message
news:fej7dj$og3$1@build.eclipse.org...
> I'm sort of asking the question you answered.
>
> I'm looking for an optimum time to upgrade from Eclipse 3.2.2 to 3.x and
> from Java 1.5 to Java 1.6. Upgrading and installing Eclipse is not a
> trivial matter and I want to do it at a time when both Eclipse and Java
> 1.6 is stable and completely compatible with each other.


No release of Java or Eclipse will ever be completely bug-free. But Java
1.6 is into update 5 by now, and could be considered reasonably stable.
Eclipse 3.3.1 has been released, which contains many bug fixes over prior
versions as well as doubtless some new bugs, that being the nature of
software development.

There is no particular reason why you should update both Eclipse and Java at
the same time. They're completely separate issues. Indeed, I'd suggest
updating separately, so that if you do encounter problems you can figure out
what caused them.

There is discussion of supported operating environments at
http://www.eclipse.org/eclipse/development/eclipse_project_p lan_3_3.html#TargetOperatingEnvironments
or http://www.eclipse.org/downloads/moreinfo/jre.php. Java 1.6 is probably
something that will be explicitly added only when enough people within the
Eclipse committer base switch to it that we feel like we can make meaningful
claims. But at this point, we're close to that, in my personal opinion. As
Eric said, many people are using Eclipse 3.3.1 (or 3.4) on Java 1.6 in their
daily work. I'm one of them and I have not encountered any issues
whatsoever. I don't do J2EE development, though.
Re: So when will Eclipse be totally Java 1.6??? [message #248636 is a reply to message #248613] Wed, 10 October 2007 19:46 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Eclipse UserFriend
Originally posted by: kwarner.uneedspeed.net

Walter Harley wrote:


> No release of Java or Eclipse will ever be completely bug-free.

I never intended to demand this. I've been doing this stuff too long to expect a fantasy.

But Java
> 1.6 is into update 5 by now, and could be considered reasonably stable.
> Eclipse 3.3.1 has been released, which contains many bug fixes over prior
> versions as well as doubtless some new bugs, that being the nature of
> software development.
>
> There is no particular reason why you should update both Eclipse and Java at
> the same time. They're completely separate issues. Indeed, I'd suggest
> updating separately, so that if you do encounter problems you can figure out
> what caused them.
>
> There is discussion of supported operating environments at
> http://www.eclipse.org/eclipse/development/eclipse_project_p lan_3_3.html#TargetOperatingEnvironments
> or http://www.eclipse.org/downloads/moreinfo/jre.php.

Yeah, this is what I mean. When everybody else does it -- then I want to be one of the last. I'm sort of the last penquin off the ice flow kind of guy.

Java 1.6 is probably
> something that will be explicitly added only when enough people within the
> Eclipse committer base switch to it that we feel like we can make meaningful
> claims. But at this point, we're close to that, in my personal opinion. As
> Eric said, many people are using Eclipse 3.3.1 (or 3.4) on Java 1.6 in their
> daily work. I'm one of them and I have not encountered any issues
> whatsoever.

Me neither...

I don't do J2EE development, though.
>
>
>
>
Re: So when will Eclipse be totally Java 1.6??? [message #248641 is a reply to message #248636] Wed, 10 October 2007 20:15 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Eclipse UserFriend
Originally posted by: wharley.bea.com

"DemonDuck" <kwarner@uneedspeed.net> wrote in message
news:fejo2b$rer$1@build.eclipse.org...
> When everybody else does it -- then I want to be one of the last.

I'm pretty certain that 1.6 will be a supported platform for 3.4, and that
the list of supported platforms for 3.3.x will not change. Just an educated
guess.
Re: So when will Eclipse be totally Java 1.6??? [message #248661 is a reply to message #248613] Thu, 11 October 2007 01:05 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Eclipse UserFriend
Originally posted by: stepper.sympedia.de

Walter Harley schrieb:
> "DemonDuck" <kwarner@uneedspeed.net> wrote in message
> news:fej7dj$og3$1@build.eclipse.org...
>
>> I'm sort of asking the question you answered.
>>
>> I'm looking for an optimum time to upgrade from Eclipse 3.2.2 to 3.x and
>> from Java 1.5 to Java 1.6. Upgrading and installing Eclipse is not a
>> trivial matter and I want to do it at a time when both Eclipse and Java
>> 1.6 is stable and completely compatible with each other.
>>
>
>
> No release of Java or Eclipse will ever be completely bug-free. But Java
> 1.6 is into update 5 by now, [...]
Hi Walter,

Not that it seems important for this discussion, but I only recently
looked for new Java 1.6 updates
when they were still at update 2. Now that you talk about update 5 I
took another look at Sun
and it seems to me as if the newest JDK 1.6 is update 3.

Cheers
/Eike
Re: So when will Eclipse be totally Java 1.6??? [message #248707 is a reply to message #248661] Thu, 11 October 2007 14:41 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Eclipse UserFriend
Originally posted by: kwarner.uneedspeed.net

There's so many updates from SUN it's hard to keep track. I just downloaded:

jre-6u5-ea-windows-i586-p-iftw.exe

from

http://download.java.net/jdk6/

Ban versions proliferation!!!


Eike Stepper wrote:
> Walter Harley schrieb:
>
>> "DemonDuck" <kwarner@uneedspeed.net> wrote in message
>> news:fej7dj$og3$1@build.eclipse.org...
>>
>>
>>> I'm sort of asking the question you answered.
>>>
>>> I'm looking for an optimum time to upgrade from Eclipse 3.2.2 to 3.x
>>> and from Java 1.5 to Java 1.6. Upgrading and installing Eclipse is
>>> not a trivial matter and I want to do it at a time when both Eclipse
>>> and Java 1.6 is stable and completely compatible with each other.
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> No release of Java or Eclipse will ever be completely bug-free. But
>> Java 1.6 is into update 5 by now, [...]
>
> Hi Walter,
>
> Not that it seems important for this discussion, but I only recently
> looked for new Java 1.6 updates
> when they were still at update 2. Now that you talk about update 5 I
> took another look at Sun
> and it seems to me as if the newest JDK 1.6 is update 3.
>
> Cheers
> /Eike
Re: So when will Eclipse be totally Java 1.6??? [message #248795 is a reply to message #248641] Tue, 16 October 2007 10:42 Go to previous message
Eclipse UserFriend
Walter Harley wrote:
> "DemonDuck" <kwarner@uneedspeed.net> wrote in message
> news:fejo2b$rer$1@build.eclipse.org...
>> When everybody else does it -- then I want to be one of the last.
>
> I'm pretty certain that 1.6 will be a supported platform for 3.4, and that
> the list of supported platforms for 3.3.x will not change. Just an educated
> guess.
>
>
Planned targets for 3.4 are detailed at:
http://www.eclipse.org/eclipse/development/eclipse_project_p lan_3_4.html#TargetOperatingEnvironments

The 1.6 paragraph is being reworked to sound less scary. Basically we
believe it works fine on Java6, though it doesn't get as much
(automated) testing as we'd want. This is being improved, but we don't
have infinite resources to test all combinations (of Platform-OS x JRE)
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