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| Web services in the WTP proposal [message #21058] |
Tue, 04 May 2004 07:40  |
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Originally posted by: gercan.REMOVE_ME.acm.org
Web services are mentioned in several places in the WTP proposal both web
standard tools and the j2ee tools project refer to web services. But none
of the
subprojects refer to jsr-109. I believe jsr-109 should be considered as
part of the j2ee standard tools subproject. When I skim through jsr-109
specs I see that spec affects at least the tools for ejb and web modules.
Also Introduces a new artifact named webservices.xml, which should be
supported in WTP.
j2ee standard tools project refers to an axis adaptor. Axis is not a part
of the
j2ee standards so should not be part of the WTP
-- Gorkem Ercan
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| Re: Web services in the WTP proposal [message #21105 is a reply to message #21058] |
Tue, 04 May 2004 11:22  |
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- My belief is that at the proposal stage, it is sufficient to state that
JCP standards will be within the scope of J2EE Standard Tools subproject.
Therefore, Java Web Services, and other JCP related standards are within the
scope of the proposal. So are JSPs (JSR 152), EJBs (JSR 19,153) etc.
- Web Service implementation is a server-runtime feature, axis provides an
implementation that is fairly common. It is an open-technology but it is
not a JCP standard, therefore it cannot be the only basis for Java Web
Services tooling support.
-Having said this, I believe it should be one of the technologies, for which
tooling support is included in J2EE Standard Tools; what I mean is WTP will
include JWS, and one of the examplar tools will support axis. Developers who
use axis can benefit from it, and server-vendors can have their own other
web-services tools, with potentially richer feature set than the examplar
tools.
- Similarly, server tooling is common and an examplar tool implementation
can have support for Apache Tomcat.
"Gorkem Ercan" <gercan@REMOVE_ME.acm.org> wrote in message
news:c77vf8$p9s$1@eclipse.org...
> Web services are mentioned in several places in the WTP proposal both web
> standard tools and the j2ee tools project refer to web services. But none
> of the
> subprojects refer to jsr-109. I believe jsr-109 should be considered as
> part of the j2ee standard tools subproject. When I skim through jsr-109
> specs I see that spec affects at least the tools for ejb and web modules.
> Also Introduces a new artifact named webservices.xml, which should be
> supported in WTP.
>
> j2ee standard tools project refers to an axis adaptor. Axis is not a part
> of the
> j2ee standards so should not be part of the WTP
>
> -- Gorkem Ercan
>
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| Re: Web services in the WTP proposal [message #21259 is a reply to message #21105] |
Fri, 07 May 2004 10:10 |
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Originally posted by: gercan.REMOVE_ME.acm.org
I agree.. it is not necessary to state all JSRs in the j2ee
specifications, and that is not what I meant. After having a talk with
Naci I see that there is an intention to support J2EE web services
spec(JSR-109). But I still think that it should somehow be in the proposal
to indicate the approach the WTP will have. Currently the j2ee standards
tool subproject looks like (at least to me)its web services support is
limited to the Axis.
Naci Dai wrote:
> - My belief is that at the proposal stage, it is sufficient to state that
> JCP standards will be within the scope of J2EE Standard Tools subproject.
> Therefore, Java Web Services, and other JCP related standards are within the
> scope of the proposal. So are JSPs (JSR 152), EJBs (JSR 19,153) etc.
> - Web Service implementation is a server-runtime feature, axis provides an
> implementation that is fairly common. It is an open-technology but it is
> not a JCP standard, therefore it cannot be the only basis for Java Web
> Services tooling support.
> -Having said this, I believe it should be one of the technologies, for which
> tooling support is included in J2EE Standard Tools; what I mean is WTP will
> include JWS, and one of the examplar tools will support axis. Developers who
> use axis can benefit from it, and server-vendors can have their own other
> web-services tools, with potentially richer feature set than the examplar
> tools.
> - Similarly, server tooling is common and an examplar tool implementation
> can have support for Apache Tomcat.
> "Gorkem Ercan" <gercan@REMOVE_ME.acm.org> wrote in message
> news:c77vf8$p9s$1@eclipse.org...
> > Web services are mentioned in several places in the WTP proposal both web
> > standard tools and the j2ee tools project refer to web services. But none
> > of the
> > subprojects refer to jsr-109. I believe jsr-109 should be considered as
> > part of the j2ee standard tools subproject. When I skim through jsr-109
> > specs I see that spec affects at least the tools for ejb and web modules.
> > Also Introduces a new artifact named webservices.xml, which should be
> > supported in WTP.
> >
> > j2ee standard tools project refers to an axis adaptor. Axis is not a part
> > of the
> > j2ee standards so should not be part of the WTP
> >
> > -- Gorkem Ercan
> >
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| Re: Web services in the WTP proposal [message #21274 is a reply to message #21259] |
Fri, 07 May 2004 12:29 |
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Gorkem Ercan wrote:
> I agree.. it is not necessary to state all JSRs in the j2ee
> specifications, and that is not what I meant. After having a talk with
> Naci I see that there is an intention to support J2EE web services
> spec(JSR-109). But I still think that it should somehow be in the proposal
> to indicate the approach the WTP will have. Currently the j2ee standards
> tool subproject looks like (at least to me)its web services support is
> limited to the Axis.
>
> Naci Dai wrote:
>
>
>>- My belief is that at the proposal stage, it is sufficient to state that
>>JCP standards will be within the scope of J2EE Standard Tools subproject.
>>Therefore, Java Web Services, and other JCP related standards are within the
>>scope of the proposal. So are JSPs (JSR 152), EJBs (JSR 19,153) etc.
>
>
>>- Web Service implementation is a server-runtime feature, axis provides an
>>implementation that is fairly common. It is an open-technology but it is
>>not a JCP standard, therefore it cannot be the only basis for Java Web
>>Services tooling support.
>
>
>>-Having said this, I believe it should be one of the technologies, for which
>>tooling support is included in J2EE Standard Tools; what I mean is WTP will
>>include JWS, and one of the examplar tools will support axis. Developers who
>>use axis can benefit from it, and server-vendors can have their own other
>>web-services tools, with potentially richer feature set than the examplar
>>tools.
>
>
>>- Similarly, server tooling is common and an examplar tool implementation
>>can have support for Apache Tomcat.
>
>
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>>"Gorkem Ercan" <gercan@REMOVE_ME.acm.org> wrote in message
>>news:c77vf8$p9s$1@eclipse.org...
>>
>>>Web services are mentioned in several places in the WTP proposal both web
>>>standard tools and the j2ee tools project refer to web services. But none
>>>of the
>>>subprojects refer to jsr-109. I believe jsr-109 should be considered as
>>>part of the j2ee standard tools subproject. When I skim through jsr-109
>>>specs I see that spec affects at least the tools for ejb and web modules.
>>>Also Introduces a new artifact named webservices.xml, which should be
>>>supported in WTP.
>>>
>>>j2ee standard tools project refers to an axis adaptor. Axis is not a part
>>>of the
>>>j2ee standards so should not be part of the WTP
>>>
>>>-- Gorkem Ercan
>>>
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Gorkem,
JSR-109 is part of J2EE 1.4 so it is included. We didn't explicitly list
all the JSRs.
-- Arthur
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| Re: Web services in the WTP proposal [message #22255 is a reply to message #22084] |
Tue, 11 May 2004 05:19 |
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Originally posted by: gercan.REMOVE_ME.acm.org
Hi Christophe,
As I have stated earlier I hope to contribute to JST project so I would be
happy to do that in this area.
Gorkem.
Christophe Ney wrote:
> Hi Gorkem,
> This is just to add that with JOnAS and Geronimo running for J2EE1.4
> certification, Axis
> is also likely to become JSR-109 compliant. However you are perfectly right
> in the fact
> that we should target tools for JSR-109, not for Axis only.
> Do you think you could make any contribution in that area?
> Thanks,
> Christophe
> ObjectWeb
> "Arthur Ryman" <ryman@ca.ibm.com> a écrit dans le message news:
> c7gd5b$kus$1@eclipse.org...
> > Gorkem Ercan wrote:
> > > I agree.. it is not necessary to state all JSRs in the j2ee
> > > specifications, and that is not what I meant. After having a talk with
> > > Naci I see that there is an intention to support J2EE web services
> > > spec(JSR-109). But I still think that it should somehow be in the
> proposal
> > > to indicate the approach the WTP will have. Currently the j2ee standards
> > > tool subproject looks like (at least to me)its web services support is
> > > limited to the Axis.
> > >
> > > Naci Dai wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >>- My belief is that at the proposal stage, it is sufficient to state
> that
> > >>JCP standards will be within the scope of J2EE Standard Tools
> subproject.
> > >>Therefore, Java Web Services, and other JCP related standards are within
> the
> > >>scope of the proposal. So are JSPs (JSR 152), EJBs (JSR 19,153) etc.
> > >
> > >
> > >>- Web Service implementation is a server-runtime feature, axis provides
> an
> > >>implementation that is fairly common. It is an open-technology but it
> is
> > >>not a JCP standard, therefore it cannot be the only basis for Java Web
> > >>Services tooling support.
> > >
> > >
> > >>-Having said this, I believe it should be one of the technologies, for
> which
> > >>tooling support is included in J2EE Standard Tools; what I mean is WTP
> will
> > >>include JWS, and one of the examplar tools will support axis. Developers
> who
> > >>use axis can benefit from it, and server-vendors can have their own
> other
> > >>web-services tools, with potentially richer feature set than the
> examplar
> > >>tools.
> > >
> > >
> > >>- Similarly, server tooling is common and an examplar tool
> implementation
> > >>can have support for Apache Tomcat.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >>"Gorkem Ercan" <gercan@REMOVE_ME.acm.org> wrote in message
> > >>news:c77vf8$p9s$1@eclipse.org...
> > >>
> > >>>Web services are mentioned in several places in the WTP proposal both
> web
> > >>>standard tools and the j2ee tools project refer to web services. But
> none
> > >>>of the
> > >>>subprojects refer to jsr-109. I believe jsr-109 should be considered as
> > >>>part of the j2ee standard tools subproject. When I skim through jsr-109
> > >>>specs I see that spec affects at least the tools for ejb and web
> modules.
> > >>>Also Introduces a new artifact named webservices.xml, which should be
> > >>>supported in WTP.
> > >>>
> > >>>j2ee standard tools project refers to an axis adaptor. Axis is not a
> part
> > >>>of the
> > >>>j2ee standards so should not be part of the WTP
> > >>>
> > >>>-- Gorkem Ercan
> > >>>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > Gorkem,
> >
> > JSR-109 is part of J2EE 1.4 so it is included. We didn't explicitly list
> > all the JSRs.
> >
> > -- Arthur
> >
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