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| Who will write your reports? [message #19478] |
Wed, 16 March 2005 19:07  |
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Here is a question for the group: who will write your reports?
We assume that a Java developer will find BIRT, evaluate it, and integrate
it with an application. Do you agree?
The question is, who then writes the actual reports? Will it be Java
developers? Web content developers? Database-savvy developers? Someone else?
It may well be that each project is different. Of course, we certainly have
some thoughts in this area. But it would be interesting to get a sense from
this group how you envision this playing out in your own projects.
Thanks,
- Paul
Paul Rogers
BIRT PMC
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| Re: Who will write your reports? [message #20114 is a reply to message #19478] |
Thu, 17 March 2005 14:32  |
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For us, all of the above. At first, it would primarly be the same
developers that are writing the main application (i.e. java developers).
Eventually we would like to be able to push report creation out to our
users. The problems with doing so are that our customers are not database
people. They don't know the schema, they don't know joins, etc.. Ideally,
we'd like to be able to give the user the ability to create a report format,
but choose the datasource and dataset using our dumbed down, user friendly
versions of them.
-Chris
"Paul Rogers" <progers@actuate.com> wrote in message
news:d1ahoq$hoo$1@www.eclipse.org...
> Here is a question for the group: who will write your reports?
>
> We assume that a Java developer will find BIRT, evaluate it, and integrate
> it with an application. Do you agree?
>
> The question is, who then writes the actual reports? Will it be Java
> developers? Web content developers? Database-savvy developers? Someone
> else?
>
> It may well be that each project is different. Of course, we certainly
> have some thoughts in this area. But it would be interesting to get a
> sense from this group how you envision this playing out in your own
> projects.
>
> Thanks,
>
> - Paul
>
> Paul Rogers
> BIRT PMC
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| Re: Who will write your reports? [message #21562 is a reply to message #20114] |
Sun, 20 March 2005 09:52 |
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Originally posted by: sschafer.innoventsolutions.com
It's common, in my experience as a report developer, for customers or
analysts to give me a layout in Excel. Indeed they don't understand the
schema. They only understand the data from their point of view, which
may be inaccurate. Add to that the fact that many corporate database
schemas have grown over years and are, as a result, a horrendous hodge
podge of badly normalized data. So very often some back-and-forth
dialogs between the users and the developer are needed to nail down the
data interface. Many of these people are very familiar and comfortable
with Excel and would be resistant to having to learn a new tool. So,
while a simplified layout tool would have its place, there's also still
going to be the need for knowledgable developers to create reports from
Excel layouts. So, I think a tool that could convert an Excel
spreadsheet to a BIRT ROM would be very useful.
Chris wrote:
> For us, all of the above. At first, it would primarly be the same
> developers that are writing the main application (i.e. java developers).
> Eventually we would like to be able to push report creation out to our
> users. The problems with doing so are that our customers are not database
> people. They don't know the schema, they don't know joins, etc.. Ideally,
> we'd like to be able to give the user the ability to create a report format,
> but choose the datasource and dataset using our dumbed down, user friendly
> versions of them.
>
> -Chris
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> "Paul Rogers" <progers@actuate.com> wrote in message
> news:d1ahoq$hoo$1@www.eclipse.org...
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>>Here is a question for the group: who will write your reports?
>>
>>We assume that a Java developer will find BIRT, evaluate it, and integrate
>>it with an application. Do you agree?
>>
>>The question is, who then writes the actual reports? Will it be Java
>>developers? Web content developers? Database-savvy developers? Someone
>>else?
>>
>>It may well be that each project is different. Of course, we certainly
>>have some thoughts in this area. But it would be interesting to get a
>>sense from this group how you envision this playing out in your own
>>projects.
>>
>>Thanks,
>>
>> - Paul
>>
>>Paul Rogers
>>BIRT PMC
>>
>>
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| Re: Who will write your reports? [message #21792 is a reply to message #19478] |
Mon, 21 March 2005 14:40 |
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Paul Rogers wrote:
> Here is a question for the group: who will write your reports?
>
> We assume that a Java developer will find BIRT, evaluate it, and integrate
> it with an application. Do you agree?
>
> The question is, who then writes the actual reports? Will it be Java
> developers? Web content developers? Database-savvy developers? Someone else?
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Paul This is a very important part of Birt for us. Our customer(s) will
be writing the reports. Ideally they will use the designer to design a
custom report based off of our Data source AND We will be using a custom
data source, Most likely XML.
So our fundemental Use case is something like:
User in our exlipse feature loads up the BIRT report designer, designs
the report template(s). saves them, then as part of our feature, runs
the report from a menu gesture in Eclipse. This then generates the
report. NOTE this is all done Client SIDE no wire calls to a web server.
Hope this helps
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