| Contribute to Eclipse [message #202646] |
Fri, 11 November 2005 15:35  |
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Originally posted by: info.dfm2html.com
Hello,
In my diploma thesis at university I develop
a hypermedia system using the Eclipse framework
(currently i have programmed two GEF editors,
one for a conceptual data view and one for the navigational view).
My professor wants all copyright for its institute, but I
want at best contribute it to Eclipse as open source (my project is
finished in March 2006). It can serve as example for
using the new Eclipse frameworks (those are scarce) or
perhaps be build in into Eclipse someday (if my project
turns out to be useful).
I study in Brunswick, Germany. Have you any ideas to
convince my professor?
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| Re: Contribute to Eclipse [message #202712 is a reply to message #202660] |
Fri, 11 November 2005 18:22  |
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Originally posted by: info.dfm2html.com
> You do not lose your copyright when you contribute to eclipse.
At the first meeting with the professor, I said I have no problems to give
all copyrights
to the university, if I could publish it as open source (using something
like the Eclipse license).
His institute can do what ever they want commercially with the hypermedia
system afterwards.
But he said, as open source, it is of no use for them (since I think anyone
can use it commercially then).
And he said somethink about financing postgraduates etc. (with my program?
how..),
but I think a university is financed by the public (the state).
Unfortunatelly this institute has just opened 2 years ago, and i cant find
works like mine to see
how it is handled there.
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| Re: Contribute to Eclipse [message #202720 is a reply to message #202646] |
Fri, 11 November 2005 18:32 |
 Astrid Sawatzky
Messages: 62
Registered: July 2009 |
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Jörg wrote:
> Hello,
>
> In my diploma thesis at university I develop
> a hypermedia system using the Eclipse framework
> (currently i have programmed two GEF editors,
> one for a conceptual data view and one for the navigational view).
> My professor wants all copyright for its institute, but I
> want at best contribute it to Eclipse as open source (my project is
> finished in March 2006). It can serve as example for
> using the new Eclipse frameworks (those are scarce) or
> perhaps be build in into Eclipse someday (if my project
> turns out to be useful).
> I study in Brunswick, Germany. Have you any ideas to
> convince my professor?
>
>
Dear Jörg,
have a look in the contract u have with the institute, if there is a
clause about copyright of all things u do is for the institute, u have
to convince ur prof. :-(
Otherwise AFAIK after German copyright-law (Urheberrecht), everything u
produce is yours, and your free to do whatever u want.
Isn't there a law-branch at one of the Brunswick-institutes?
Liebe Grüße
Astrid
PS: the TU-Braunschweig signed the Aktionsbündnis
,,Urheberrecht für Bildung und Wissenschaft", perhaps this will help.
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| Re: Contribute to Eclipse [message #202726 is a reply to message #202675] |
Fri, 11 November 2005 18:32 |
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Originally posted by: info.dfm2html.com
> - It is only fair to give something back to the community if you are using
> its products.
Well ok.. but my main reason is that I dont want to watch at Eclipse in 5
years and still no
hypermedia system is available. Existing hypermedia systems like RMM, OOHDM,
WebML are
older than the current Eclipse technologies (like GEF), and are not
plugged-in into Eclipse right now.
WebML is even patented, one reason that I had never heard of it before as
Web Developer, and another reason for me.
> - Maybe you don't have to put your entire project into the public domain
> but just some parts. That might be an easier sell.
I create very basic components relying on each other heavily, so this cannot
be done.
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| Re: Contribute to Eclipse [message #202758 is a reply to message #202750] |
Fri, 11 November 2005 23:55 |
Astrid Sawatzky
Messages: 62
Registered: July 2009 |
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Jörg wrote:
>>Dear Jörg,
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>>have a look in the contract u have with the institute, if there is a
>>clause about copyright of all things u do is for the institute, u have to
>>convince ur prof. :-(
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> Copyright is completely left open. I only signed to accept the diploma
> thesis (nothing special).
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>>Otherwise AFAIK after German copyright-law (Urheberrecht), everything u
>>produce is yours, and your free to do whatever u want.
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> The Urheberrecht is always at me (cannot be sold by german law)
> but the copyright (=Nutzungsrechte) is something completely different from
> that.
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>>Isn't there a law-branch at one of the Brunswick-institutes?
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> Not found yet. But I think no
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>>PS: the TU-Braunschweig signed the Aktionsbündnis
>>,,Urheberrecht für Bildung und Wissenschaft", perhaps this will help.
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> Seems to not apply to me (something to do with eLearning etc.)
>
> greetings
> Jörg
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Dear Jörg,
§ 12
Veröffentlichungsrecht
(1) Der Urheber hat das Recht zu bestimmen, ob und wie sein Werk zu
veröffentlichen ist.
(2) Dem Urheber ist es vorbehalten, den Inhalt seines Werkes öffentlich
mitzuteilen oder zu beschreiben, solange weder das Werk noch der
wesentliche Inhalt oder eine Beschreibung des Werkes mit seiner
Zustimmung veröffentlicht ist.
§ 15
(1) Der Urheber hat das ausschließliche Recht, sein Werk in körperlicher
Form zu verwerten; das Recht umfaßt insbesondere
1. das Vervielfältigungsrecht (§ 16),
(vervielfältigen=copy, Recht=right )!! :-)
2. das Verbreitungsrecht (§ 17),
3. das Ausstellungsrecht (§ 18).
§ 17
(1) Das Verbreitungsrecht ist das Recht, das Original oder
Vervielfältigungsstücke des Werkes der Öffentlichkeit anzubieten oder in
Verkehr zu bringen. (make it opensource :-D, and this is what can be
suppressed by so-called Dienstveträge, which you wont have as a normal
diplomand at a german public Uni.)
§ 69a
(4) Auf Computerprogramme finden die für Sprachwerke geltenden
Bestimmungen Anwendung, soweit in diesem Abschnitt nichts anderes
bestimmt ist.
All from UrHG
found at (hoping it is the newest version):
http://www.urheberrecht.org/law/normen/urhg/2003-09-13/text/ bgbl_I_1774_01_04_p11-27.php
Liebe Grüße Astrid
begging pardon to all non german speakers, but translating German Law,
was a bit too much at 0:50 a.m. :-D
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| Re: Contribute to Eclipse [message #202771 is a reply to message #202764] |
Sat, 12 November 2005 01:27 |
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Originally posted by: info.dfm2html.com
>u could also ask the ASTA , they should know, ot at least know whom to ask.
Yes I will do
As Urheber, you certainly have every Copyright, if you not signed some paper
where you
give the copyright to someone else. Since I signed no such clause I in this
moment have the copyright.
But the professor seems to take it as granted that his institute has the
copyright, so this
is somekind a strange situation for me.
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| Re: Contribute to Eclipse [message #202811 is a reply to message #202712] |
Sun, 13 November 2005 03:37 |
| Eclipse User |
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Originally posted by: none.us.ibm.com
Unless you signed something stating otherwise, it's your code. Unless you
based it on something else in which case it is subject that base's
restrictions.
"J
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