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| New user, sorry tons of questions. [message #181755] |
Sun, 26 November 2006 16:17  |
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Originally posted by: cdhenderson.cox.net
Hi, I'd like to say hello to the group first off, and also ask a ton of
questions. Let me explain my end goal as a start and maybe that will help
those who answer to throw out some ideas.
My end goal is to have Eclipse be my Development Front End. By that I
mean, that I do development in a lot of different venues. I sometimes do
work in C#, or C++, and often times in Flex or Flash, and will probably be
doing some Java development in the near future. Also there are websites
that I need to check on and e-mail and such. I want to be able to
essentially wake up in the morning and sit at the computer and do the
early morning tasks that are needed to be accomplished. Some of those
would be usual every day tasks like checking the aforementioned websites,
e-mails and such. Once that is done, then I need to accomplish the task(s)
that I (or others, or strictly circumstance) have made a priority for the
day. Oftentimes I will need to launch programs that are, or are not
"written in eclipse", that are not plugins.
The main concept here is maintaining focus, and not having to "move", at
least too much, from the environment that I am familiar with and used to
(that being stated in the future sense. The majority of the time I would
be doing something "hosted" by eclipse).
So that all being stated, I think some points are of note.
1) The Development and "Management" environments will be (for the
majority, as much as possible) hosted by Eclipse.
2) There needs to exist a start page, a welcome page, that will allow
tasks, both planned and reasonably unexpected to be completed. And it
needs to be relatively easily accessible.
3) The overall "Eclipse environment" will be in a few different and
possibly "vague" states. Easy switching is at times imperative.
4) As noted above, sometimes I might be writing and compiling in one
language, at another time in another. At other times I could be doing any
number of tasks such as documentation or refactoring or design and such.
In other words I'm going to quite possibly be using the heck out of this
for a number of tasks. (I know that some of the
Now going further let me establish some concepts that I see as far as how
I'd like the eventual system to work and worries that I have.
1) Context/State switching, should be minimalised. (Note: I noticed when I
was using Flex Builder 2, my early experience with Eclipse, that the
program shut down and restarted, when a workspace was changed, I'm not
sure whether this is something specific to Eclipse or Flex Builder itself
was the cause of that, but it was a bit disconcerting.)
2) Multiple languages and "environments" might need to be dealt with, even
in one project. (Let me explain my, possibly silly, worry here. Some
overall compilation manager needs to exist, possibly Ant or such. But what
worries me is downloading something like JDT, or CDT or any number of the
other "DTs" and have that make Eclipse majorly focused on that specific
"environment". So I guess that what I'm really saying is that I want to be
able to "Make eclipse my own" and be able to switch context with relative
ease.)
So now for the real questions, or really question I suppose.
1) Other than reading like crazy, and trying things like crazy, what is my
best next step? If I download something such as JDT or CDT would that put
me in a conundrum that I have to try to unravel things that are specific
towards that one language or task? I realize that what I'm talking about
doing is not the easiest of tasks (And I realize as well that some, if not
a larger amount of the language managers will need to be written by me.
My biggest worry right now, I suppose, is downloading plug-ins that put
Eclipse in a mode that I will need to spend an inordinate amount of time
unraveling.
I apologize for the vagueness but I want to make sure that I approach and
use this tool properly and to its fullest extent.
Thanks in advance,
Christopher
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| Re: New user, sorry tons of questions. [message #182491 is a reply to message #181755] |
Thu, 30 November 2006 21:05  |
 Eclipse Webmaster
Messages: 607353
Registered: July 2009 |
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I think it would be best if you asked several short, concise and easy to
answer questions. You may have a better chance at getting some answers :-)
Christopher Henderson wrote:
> Hi, I'd like to say hello to the group first off, and also ask a ton of
> questions. Let me explain my end goal as a start and maybe that will
> help those who answer to throw out some ideas.
>
> My end goal is to have Eclipse be my Development Front End. By that I
> mean, that I do development in a lot of different venues. I sometimes do
> work in C#, or C++, and often times in Flex or Flash, and will probably
> be doing some Java development in the near future. Also there are
> websites that I need to check on and e-mail and such. I want to be able
> to essentially wake up in the morning and sit at the computer and do the
> early morning tasks that are needed to be accomplished. Some of those
> would be usual every day tasks like checking the aforementioned
> websites, e-mails and such. Once that is done, then I need to accomplish
> the task(s) that I (or others, or strictly circumstance) have made a
> priority for the day. Oftentimes I will need to launch programs that
> are, or are not "written in eclipse", that are not plugins.
> The main concept here is maintaining focus, and not having to "move", at
> least too much, from the environment that I am familiar with and used to
> (that being stated in the future sense. The majority of the time I would
> be doing something "hosted" by eclipse).
> So that all being stated, I think some points are of note. 1) The
> Development and "Management" environments will be (for the majority, as
> much as possible) hosted by Eclipse.
>
> 2) There needs to exist a start page, a welcome page, that will allow
> tasks, both planned and reasonably unexpected to be completed. And it
> needs to be relatively easily accessible.
>
> 3) The overall "Eclipse environment" will be in a few different and
> possibly "vague" states. Easy switching is at times imperative.
>
> 4) As noted above, sometimes I might be writing and compiling in one
> language, at another time in another. At other times I could be doing
> any number of tasks such as documentation or refactoring or design and
> such. In other words I'm going to quite possibly be using the heck out
> of this for a number of tasks. (I know that some of the
> Now going further let me establish some concepts that I see as far as
> how I'd like the eventual system to work and worries that I have.
> 1) Context/State switching, should be minimalised. (Note: I noticed when
> I was using Flex Builder 2, my early experience with Eclipse, that the
> program shut down and restarted, when a workspace was changed, I'm not
> sure whether this is something specific to Eclipse or Flex Builder
> itself was the cause of that, but it was a bit disconcerting.)
>
> 2) Multiple languages and "environments" might need to be dealt with,
> even in one project. (Let me explain my, possibly silly, worry here.
> Some overall compilation manager needs to exist, possibly Ant or such.
> But what worries me is downloading something like JDT, or CDT or any
> number of the other "DTs" and have that make Eclipse majorly focused on
> that specific "environment". So I guess that what I'm really saying is
> that I want to be able to "Make eclipse my own" and be able to switch
> context with relative ease.)
> So now for the real questions, or really question I suppose. 1) Other
> than reading like crazy, and trying things like crazy, what is my best
> next step? If I download something such as JDT or CDT would that put me
> in a conundrum that I have to try to unravel things that are specific
> towards that one language or task? I realize that what I'm talking about
> doing is not the easiest of tasks (And I realize as well that some, if
> not a larger amount of the ?language managers? will need to be written
> by me. My biggest worry right now, I suppose, is downloading plug-ins
> that put Eclipse in a ?mode? that I will need to spend an inordinate
> amount of time unraveling.
>
> I apologize for the vagueness but I want to make sure that I approach
> and use this tool properly and to its fullest extent.
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Christopher
>
>
>
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| Re: New user, sorry tons of questions. [message #182503 is a reply to message #182491] |
Fri, 01 December 2006 06:20 |
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Originally posted by: cdhenderson.cox.net
Thanks and yeah I kinda had a brain spurt there didn't I? I realized that
after I shot that message off and have "learned the err of my ways". But
thanks, and I agree with you and have done as you advised a bit and it has
helped.
Thanks again,
Christopher
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