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icon6.gif  What is different between Standard version and IDE for developer? [message #1127279] Sun, 06 October 2013 13:26 Go to next message
Zhg Mising name is currently offline Zhg Mising nameFriend
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There is standard version 4.3 199M,
Platform, and all the tools needed to develop and debug it: Java and Plug-in Development Tooling, Git and CVS...

yet there is Eclipse IDE for Java Developers, 151 MB
The essential tools for any Java developer, including a Java IDE, a CVS client, Git client, XML Editor, Mylyn, Maven integration...

issue. what different from them?
I download the standard version, do I have to downlaod this ide for java developer?


Thanks,
Re: What is different between Standard version and IDE for developer? [message #1127328 is a reply to message #1127279] Sun, 06 October 2013 14:36 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I have standard version, do I have to download that ide?
thus, it will be 199+151=350M totally?


Thanks,
Re: What is different between Standard version and IDE for developer? [message #1127952 is a reply to message #1127328] Mon, 07 October 2013 07:11 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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All the packages are composed from other things in the release repo, so
you can start with any package and install additional features from the
release train repo to suit your needs. So each package is just a
conveninence for a set of features you're likely to need/want for a
certain type of development task.


On 06/10/2013 4:36 PM, Zhg Mising name wrote:
> I have standard version, do I have to download that ide?
> thus, it will be 199+151=350M totally?
>


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Re: What is different between Standard version and IDE for developer? [message #1128072 is a reply to message #1127952] Mon, 07 October 2013 09:59 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Ed Merks wrote on Mon, 07 October 2013 03:11
All the packages are composed from other things in the release repo, so
you can start with any package and install additional features from the
release train repo to suit your needs. So each package is just a
conveninence for a set of features you're likely to need/want for a
certain type of development task.


On 06/10/2013 4:36 PM, Zhg Mising name wrote:
> I have standard version, do I have to download that ide?
> thus, it will be 199+151=350M totally?
>

That's what I want to know. which package shall I dl to complete the basic java development?

I know if I use C/C++ etc. I have to dl the relative package. similarly, dl jee package for jee development.

But for java itself, what about standard version and java developer?
from repo, standard can execute java tasks.
can java developer do so independently without standard plateform?

and can standard itself executes javascript compilation?


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Re: What is different between Standard version and IDE for developer? [message #1128076 is a reply to message #1128072] Mon, 07 October 2013 10:03 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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You could consult
http://www.eclipse.org/downloads/compare.php?release=kepler to see which
things you need/want and choose accordingly (knowing you can always add
things not included).


On 07/10/2013 11:59 AM, Zhg Mising name wrote:
> Ed Merks wrote on Mon, 07 October 2013 03:11
>> All the packages are composed from other things in the release repo,
>> so you can start with any package and install additional features
>> from the release train repo to suit your needs. So each package is
>> just a conveninence for a set of features you're likely to need/want
>> for a certain type of development task.
>>
>>
>> On 06/10/2013 4:36 PM, Zhg Mising name wrote:
>> > I have standard version, do I have to download that ide?
>> > thus, it will be 199+151=350M totally?
>> >
>
> That's what I want to know. which package shall I dl to complete the
> basic java development?
>
> I know if I use C/C++ etc. I have to dl the relative package.
> similarly, dl jee package for jee development.
>
> But for java itself, what about standard version and java developer?
> from repo, standard can execute java tasks.
> can java developer can do so independently without standard plateform?
>
> and can standard itself executes javascript compile?


Ed Merks
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Re: What is different between Standard version and IDE for developer? [message #1128288 is a reply to message #1128076] Mon, 07 October 2013 14:43 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Ed Merks wrote on Mon, 07 October 2013 06:03
You could consult
http://www.eclipse.org/downloads/compare.php?release=kepler to see which
things you need/want and choose accordingly (knowing you can always add
things not included).

On 07/10/2013 11:59 AM, Zhg Mising name wrote:
> Ed Merks wrote on Mon, 07 October 2013 03:11
>> All the packages are composed from other things in the release repo,
>> so you can start with any package and install additional features
>> from the release train repo to suit your needs. So each package is
>> just a conveninence for a set of features you're likely to need/want
>> for a certain type of development task.
>>
>>
>> On 06/10/2013 4:36 PM, Zhg Mising name wrote:
>> > I have standard version, do I have to download that ide?
>> > thus, it will be 199+151=350M totally?
?

As I said above, I know this page to compare results.
what I want to distinguish is now that the standard version is for java development, why do they have an extra ide for java developer? is that repeating?

if there is something lack in the standard for java developer, how did it declare that it is for java ?


Thanks,
Re: What is different between Standard version and IDE for developer? [message #1128294 is a reply to message #1128288] Mon, 07 October 2013 14:46 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On 10/7/2013 8:43 AM, Zhg Mising name wrote:
> Ed Merks wrote on Mon, 07 October 2013 06:03
>> You could consult
>> http://www.eclipse.org/downloads/compare.php?release=kepler to see
>> which things you need/want and choose accordingly (knowing you can
>> always add things not included).
>>
>> On 07/10/2013 11:59 AM, Zhg Mising name wrote:
>> > Ed Merks wrote on Mon, 07 October 2013 03:11
>> >> All the packages are composed from other things in the release
>> repo, >> so you can start with any package and install additional
>> features >> from the release train repo to suit your needs. So each
>> package is >> just a conveninence for a set of features you're likely
>> to need/want >> for a certain type of development task.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On 06/10/2013 4:36 PM, Zhg Mising name wrote:
>> >> > I have standard version, do I have to download that ide?
>> >> > thus, it will be 199+151=350M totally?
>> ?
>
> As I said above, I know this page to compare results.
> what I want to distinguish is now that the standard version is for java
> development, why do they have an extra ide for java developer? is that
> repeating?
>
> if there is something lack in the standard for java developer, how did
> it declare that it is for java ?

There's nothing missing for Java development in the package named
Eclipse IDE for Java Developers. However, if you wish to develop web
applications in Java, you'll want Eclipse IDE for Java EE Developers,
whether you get precisely that package or download the web tools later
into the first package.
Re: What is different between Standard version and IDE for developer? [message #1128315 is a reply to message #1128294] Mon, 07 October 2013 15:06 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Russell Bateman wrote on Mon, 07 October 2013 10:46
On 10/7/2013 8:43 AM, Zhg Mising name wrote:
> As I said above, I know this page to compare results.
> what I want to distinguish is now that the standard version is for java
> development, why do they have an extra ide for java developer? is that
> repeating?
>
> if there is something lack in the standard for java developer, how did
> it declare that it is for java ?

There's nothing missing for Java development in the package named
Eclipse IDE for Java Developers. However, if you wish to develop web
applications in Java, you'll want Eclipse IDE for Java EE Developers,
whether you get precisely that package or download the web tools later
into the first package.

Correct. I understand that, if work with web page, we should use jee plugin.
despite not all of us dedicate to web develop, but jave is mainly used for web.

now that the standard version is for java development, so it means to be for developer else.
why does it need another java developer ide?

what is "java developer"? if we develop all form of the java utilities, are we not able to be called developer?

Im vague at this terminology.


Thanks,
Re: What is different between Standard version and IDE for developer? [message #1128321 is a reply to message #1128315] Mon, 07 October 2013 15:15 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Comments below.

On 07/10/2013 5:06 PM, Zhg Mising name wrote:
> Russell Bateman wrote on Mon, 07 October 2013 10:46
>> On 10/7/2013 8:43 AM, Zhg Mising name wrote:
>> > As I said above, I know this page to compare results.
>> > what I want to distinguish is now that the standard version is for
>> java
>> > development, why do they have an extra ide for java developer? is that
>> > repeating?
>> >
>> > if there is something lack in the standard for java developer, how did
>> > it declare that it is for java ?
>>
>> There's nothing missing for Java development in the package named
>> Eclipse IDE for Java Developers. However, if you wish to develop web
>> applications in Java, you'll want Eclipse IDE for Java EE Developers,
>> whether you get precisely that package or download the web tools
>> later into the first package.
>
> Correct. I understand that, if work with web page, we should use jee
> plugin.
> despite not all of us dedicate to web develop, but jave is mainly used
> for web.
I'm not sure that's true. Certainly a great many people use Java to
develop non-web applications...
>
> now that the standard version is for java development, so it means to
> be for developer else.
> why does it need another java developer ide?
It doesn't need one. Each package, as I said already, is just
convenient aggregate...
>
> what is "java developer"?
It's an aggregate with exactly the things it it that are listed as the
contents.
> if we develop all form of the java utilities, are we not able to be
> called developer?
By "we" you mean who? The packages are named by the people that produce
them and those are the names you see.
>
> Im vague at this terminology.
So worry about something else. Install a package, use it, and if you
find you need something else, add that something else to your installation.


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Re: What is different between Standard version and IDE for developer? [message #1128338 is a reply to message #1128321] Mon, 07 October 2013 15:33 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Ed Merks wrote on Mon, 07 October 2013 11:15
Comments below.

On 07/10/2013 5:06 PM, Zhg Mising name wrote:
> Russell Bateman wrote on Mon, 07 October 2013 10:46
>> On 10/7/2013 8:43 AM, Zhg Mising name wrote:
>> > As I said above, I know this page to compare results.
>> > what I want to distinguish is now that the standard version is for
>> java
>> > development, why do they have an extra ide for java developer? is that
>> > repeating?
>> >
>> > if there is something lack in the standard for java developer, how did
>> > it declare that it is for java ?
>>
>> There's nothing missing for Java development in the package named
>> Eclipse IDE for Java Developers. However, if you wish to develop web
>> applications in Java, you'll want Eclipse IDE for Java EE Developers,
>> whether you get precisely that package or download the web tools
>> later into the first package.
>
> Correct. I understand that, if work with web page, we should use jee
> plugin.
> despite not all of us dedicate to web develop, but jave is mainly used
> for web.
I'm not sure that's true. Certainly a great many people use Java to
develop non-web applications...
>
> now that the standard version is for java development, so it means to
> be for developer else.
> why does it need another java developer ide?
It doesn't need one. Each package, as I said already, is just
convenient aggregate...
>
> what is "java developer"?
It's an aggregate with exactly the things it it that are listed as the
contents.
> if we develop all form of the java utilities, are we not able to be
> called developer?
By "we" you mean who? The packages are named by the people that produce
them and those are the names you see.
>
> Im vague at this terminology.
So worry about something else. Install a package, use it, and if you
find you need something else, add that something else to your installation.

thank you very much for your patient.
the "we" means those who develop java, or say people.

so it is. run it, if there is something lack, find it and install.



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Re: What is different between Standard version and IDE for developer? [message #1128355 is a reply to message #1128338] Mon, 07 October 2013 15:55 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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and
Can I install only IDE for java developer without standard version?


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Re: What is different between Standard version and IDE for developer? [message #1128362 is a reply to message #1128355] Mon, 07 October 2013 16:00 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On 10/7/2013 9:55 AM, Zhg Mising name wrote:
> and Can I install only IDE for java developer without standard version?

Yes, each of the downloadable packages at eclipse.org is fully
stand-alone; none depends on any others.

Eclipse is really just a big pile of plug-ins. You just start with the
pile (like Eclipse IDE for Java Developers) that best suits you and, as
I think Ed already told you, you can add others to whatever package you
downloaded to start with--PHP or C/C++ tools into the original Java
ones, etc.
Re: What is different between Standard version and IDE for developer? [message #1128386 is a reply to message #1128362] Mon, 07 October 2013 16:32 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Russell Bateman wrote on Mon, 07 October 2013 12:00
On 10/7/2013 9:55 AM, Zhg Mising name wrote:
> and Can I install only IDE for java developer without standard version?

Yes, each of the downloadable packages at eclipse.org is fully
stand-alone; none depends on any others.

Eclipse is really just a big pile of plug-ins. You just start with the
pile (like Eclipse IDE for Java Developers) that best suits you and, as
I think Ed already told you, you can add others to whatever package you
downloaded to start with--PHP or C/C++ tools into the original Java
ones, etc.

yes, Ed is very patient. so do you as well.

but I m still vague at the content.
I think that the standard version is a platform and others are plugin, and from your statement that all of them are independent, can install independently without the standard version?


Thanks,
Re: What is different between Standard version and IDE for developer? [message #1128414 is a reply to message #1128386] Mon, 07 October 2013 17:11 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On 10/7/2013 10:32 AM, Zhg Mising name wrote:
> Russell Bateman wrote on Mon, 07 October 2013 12:00
>> On 10/7/2013 9:55 AM, Zhg Mising name wrote:
>> > and Can I install only IDE for java developer without standard version?
>>
>> Yes, each of the downloadable packages at eclipse.org is fully
>> stand-alone; none depends on any others.
>>
>> Eclipse is really just a big pile of plug-ins. You just start with the
>> pile (like Eclipse IDE for Java Developers) that best suits you and,
>> as I think Ed already told you, you can add others to whatever package
>> you downloaded to start with--PHP or C/C++ tools into the original
>> Java ones, etc.
>
> yes, Ed is very patient. so do you as well.
>
> but I m still vague at the content.
> I think that the standard version is a platform and others are plugin,
> and from your statement that all of them are independent, can install
> independently without the standard version?

No, it's plug-ins all the way down to the bottom. I would never install
the "standard version". Install the Java version. And install a Java
Developers' Kit (JDK) too.
Re: What is different between Standard version and IDE for developer? [message #1129020 is a reply to message #1128414] Tue, 08 October 2013 08:00 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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The standard version has 199M, but ide for java developer has only 150M, thus we can see the first is larger than the last one. and we can imagine the first has more content than the last one. and the first one can do what the last can do.
but from your two idea, it is not.

the eclipse serial apps are really a strange category.


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Re: What is different between Standard version and IDE for developer? [message #1129025 is a reply to message #1129020] Tue, 08 October 2013 08:01 Go to previous message
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well I dowload and install java developer and cancel such standard version of 4.3
and have a try.


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