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| Re: Date for WTP 1.0 Maintenance Release??? [message #156619 is a reply to message #156506] |
Sun, 15 January 2006 15:39   |
 Noel Bush
Messages: 38
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Andreas Schildbach wrote:
> Tommy Vercetti wrote:
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>> WTP 1.0.1 is planned for Mid-February. It will be based on Eclipse 3.1.2
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> I think this is a really bad choice. WTP 1.0 is unusable without patches
> (saving takes 5-10 seconds, look at all those bug-reports and forum
> posts about that issue), and delaying a usable release until
> mid-february forces everyone to either drop WTP or install a nightly build.
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> I propose to release 1.01 now (the required patches are in the current
> nighly build), and release an 1.02 after mid-february.
Andreas, I am a person who has encountered and been frustrated by a
couple of those severe problems, and I would love to see a patched
release as soon as possible, but I don't agree with the idea of rushing
the next release out the door, however severe the current problems are.
I think the team has to take the time to first be sure that all
serious defects have been investigated and repaired. I think that there
was a rush at the end to get the 1.0 release out. The problems with the
late 1.0 RCs were reported on this ng and in Bugzilla, but the inertia
of the process steamrolled over them and prevented adequate
investigation. The result was that a lot of hard work by a lot of
people was cast into shadow by a couple of bugs.
I would rather wait whatever time is necessary and have a well-tested
release -- with no ominous hints in Bugzilla about bugs that seem to be
slipping by -- than get a 1.0.1 immediately only to find out it also has
serious problems.
Noel
> Regards,
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> Andreas
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| Re: Date for WTP 1.0 Maintenance Release??? [message #156775 is a reply to message #156619] |
Mon, 16 January 2006 19:33 |
Tommy Vercetti
Messages: 35
Registered: July 2009 |
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You're both right.
I hate to see them rush a 1.0.1 release and not do the job right.
But it's very unfortunate for them to launch a 1.0 that turns out to be
so buggy and have such a long time until a bug fix release.
BTW, I'm using NetBeans 5.0RC1 and it's very stable. Switching wasn't
that painful. I'm very happy.
I'll be excited to check back later and see what Eclipse comes up with
in the coming months in the WTP 1.0.1 release and the 1.5 milestones.
Noel Bush wrote:
> Andreas Schildbach wrote:
>> Tommy Vercetti wrote:
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>>> WTP 1.0.1 is planned for Mid-February. It will be based on Eclipse 3.1.2
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>> I think this is a really bad choice. WTP 1.0 is unusable without
>> patches (saving takes 5-10 seconds, look at all those bug-reports and
>> forum posts about that issue), and delaying a usable release until
>> mid-february forces everyone to either drop WTP or install a nightly
>> build.
>>
>> I propose to release 1.01 now (the required patches are in the current
>> nighly build), and release an 1.02 after mid-february.
>
> Andreas, I am a person who has encountered and been frustrated by a
> couple of those severe problems, and I would love to see a patched
> release as soon as possible, but I don't agree with the idea of rushing
> the next release out the door, however severe the current problems are.
> I think the team has to take the time to first be sure that all serious
> defects have been investigated and repaired. I think that there was a
> rush at the end to get the 1.0 release out. The problems with the late
> 1.0 RCs were reported on this ng and in Bugzilla, but the inertia of the
> process steamrolled over them and prevented adequate investigation. The
> result was that a lot of hard work by a lot of people was cast into
> shadow by a couple of bugs.
>
> I would rather wait whatever time is necessary and have a well-tested
> release -- with no ominous hints in Bugzilla about bugs that seem to be
> slipping by -- than get a 1.0.1 immediately only to find out it also has
> serious problems.
>
> Noel
>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Andreas
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| Re: Date for WTP 1.0 Maintenance Release??? [message #156784 is a reply to message #156506] |
Mon, 16 January 2006 19:48 |
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Andreas Schildbach wrote:
> I think this is a really bad choice. WTP 1.0 is unusable without patches
> (saving takes 5-10 seconds, look at all those bug-reports and forum
> posts about that issue), and delaying a usable release until
> mid-february forces everyone to either drop WTP or install a nightly build.
Keep in mind that the Released Maintenance builds aren't going to be
(at least we hope not!) as volatile as Nightly builds. They're
meant to only contain tested and approved fixes for 1.0.1, so in
theory it should be nothing but good news for you as we approach our
1.0.1 date. If your favorite bug has been marked as fixed in 1.0.1,
it will turn up in a maintenance build fairly soon and you should go
ahead and try out the build. Verifying that the changes do, in
fact, solve the problems would be a very good thing for bug
reporters to do *before* we declare 1.0.1.
--
- Nitin
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Nitin Dahyabhai
Eclipse Web Tools Platform
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