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Replace JBuilder Pro v5 with Eclipse? [message #152577] Mon, 05 April 2004 21:54 Go to next message
Eclipse UserFriend
Originally posted by: ChuckChopp.rtfmcsi.com

I'm looking to replace Borland JBuilder Pro v5 with Eclipse as my primary
IDE for Java development work. I'm trying to figure out what exactly I need
to download and install in order to perform this task. I have downloaded
Eclipse v2.1.3 and installed it on my WinXP Pro SP1a laptop system, but
later on I'll be moving over to a SuSE Linux Pro v9.0 system for this
development work.

The Java-related options under "File -> New" in Eclipse seems to be
significantly more limited as compared to what I had in JBuilder.
Specifically, JBuilder will generate code from templates for a new Java
Application, Java Applet, Java Servlet, JSP, Java Web Service, Class,
Interface, Bean, Project, etc.... I think that there must be plug-ins for
Eclipse that would provide similar functionality under "File -> New" in
Eclipse, but I'm so new to Eclipse that I'm pretty much dumbfounded as to
where to look to find out what I actually need to do this.

Also, I'm sort of confused as to how to go about debugging a web service
with Eclipse. If I write the Java code in Eclipse and build it and have it
packaged in a .WAR file for deployment on a remote system running Apache
v2.x and Tomcat v4.x, how do I go about debugging the code that is executing
on a remote system? All I've ever done with Java debugging was done inside
the local JVM under JBuilder on my local system, but now that I'm having to
learn web services development I'm getting just a tad bit confused here.

Any advice as to where to where to get started in reading about how to make
these tools work for me would be appreciated. Some sort of tutorial would
be good if I could find one.


TIA,

Chuck
Re: Replace JBuilder Pro v5 with Eclipse? [message #152608 is a reply to message #152577] Tue, 06 April 2004 02:41 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Eclipse UserFriend
Originally posted by: eostroukhov.hotmail.com

"Chuck Chopp" <ChuckChopp@rtfmcsi.com> wrote in message
news:c4t2ap$a0t$3@eclipse.org...
> I'm looking to replace Borland JBuilder Pro v5 with Eclipse as my primary
> IDE for Java development work. I'm trying to figure out what exactly I
need
> to download and install in order to perform this task. I have downloaded
> Eclipse v2.1.3 and installed it on my WinXP Pro SP1a laptop system, but
> later on I'll be moving over to a SuSE Linux Pro v9.0 system for this
> development work.
>
> The Java-related options under "File -> New" in Eclipse seems to be
> significantly more limited as compared to what I had in JBuilder.
> Specifically, JBuilder will generate code from templates for a new Java
> Application, Java Applet, Java Servlet, JSP, Java Web Service, Class,
> Interface, Bean, Project, etc.... I think that there must be plug-ins for
> Eclipse that would provide similar functionality under "File -> New" in
> Eclipse, but I'm so new to Eclipse that I'm pretty much dumbfounded as to
> where to look to find out what I actually need to do this.

My personal favourite is MyEclipse (www.myeclipseide.com) - though it is not
free (well, I don't think $30/per year matters if you were using JBuilder)
For GUI development I haven't found any decent plugin - so, VE project is my
best bet so far - it should be out by this summer.

> Also, I'm sort of confused as to how to go about debugging a web service
> with Eclipse. If I write the Java code in Eclipse and build it and have
it
> packaged in a .WAR file for deployment on a remote system running Apache
> v2.x and Tomcat v4.x, how do I go about debugging the code that is
executing
> on a remote system? All I've ever done with Java debugging was done
inside
> the local JVM under JBuilder on my local system, but now that I'm having
to
> learn web services development I'm getting just a tad bit confused here.

You can try to use remote debugging. Also MyEclipse provides some debugging
on the code deployed on the app server.

Best regards,
Eugene
Re: Replace JBuilder Pro v5 with Eclipse? [message #152702 is a reply to message #152608] Tue, 06 April 2004 10:08 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Eclipse UserFriend
Originally posted by: ChuckChopp.rtfmcsi.com

Eugene Ostroukhov wrote:
> My personal favourite is MyEclipse (www.myeclipseide.com) - though it is not
> free (well, I don't think $30/per year matters if you were using JBuilder)
> For GUI development I haven't found any decent plugin - so, VE project is my
> best bet so far - it should be out by this summer.
>
>
> You can try to use remote debugging. Also MyEclipse provides some debugging
> on the code deployed on the app server.


Thanks, I'll give that try and see how it works for me. I'm more than
willing to pay for plug-ins for Eclipse that will allow me to be productive
using Eclipse as my primary development tool. At $30/year, that's a lot
less than the several hundreds of $$$ or even 1000+ $$$ per year that I end
up spending on JBuilder. I don't need the full enterprise level ORB and EJB
support from JBuilder Enterprise; I just need the basic JSP, servlet,
applet, application and JavaBean development support out of the Pro version
to be available to me in Eclipse.


Regards,

Chuck
Re: Replace JBuilder Pro v5 with Eclipse? [message #152804 is a reply to message #152577] Tue, 06 April 2004 16:21 Go to previous message
Eclipse UserFriend
Originally posted by: eclipse.rizzoweb.com

Chuck Chopp wrote:
> I'm looking to replace Borland JBuilder Pro v5 with Eclipse as my
> primary IDE for Java development work. I'm trying to figure out what
> exactly I need to download and install in order to perform this task. I
> have downloaded Eclipse v2.1.3 and installed it on my WinXP Pro SP1a
> laptop system, but later on I'll be moving over to a SuSE Linux Pro v9.0
> system for this development work.
>
> The Java-related options under "File -> New" in Eclipse seems to be
> significantly more limited as compared to what I had in JBuilder.
> Specifically, JBuilder will generate code from templates for a new Java
> Application, Java Applet, Java Servlet, JSP, Java Web Service, Class,
> Interface, Bean, Project, etc.... I think that there must be plug-ins
> for Eclipse that would provide similar functionality under "File -> New"
> in Eclipse, but I'm so new to Eclipse that I'm pretty much dumbfounded
> as to where to look to find out what I actually need to do this.

Some of what you want is likely to come from third-party plugins, but if
you create a Java Project, you can then have Eclipse create the skeleton
of a Java class or interface.

> Also, I'm sort of confused as to how to go about debugging a web service
> with Eclipse. If I write the Java code in Eclipse and build it and have
> it packaged in a .WAR file for deployment on a remote system running
> Apache v2.x and Tomcat v4.x, how do I go about debugging the code that
> is executing on a remote system?

I've always preferred to actually run Tomcat or Jetty or JBoss (or
whatever app server) from within Eclipse. That way Eclipse's debugger is
already attached to the running server. There are plugins to help with
the setup of running Tomcat or JBoss from Eclipse. You just configure
them with your Project as the code source and hit a toolbar button to
start/stop/restart the server. Have a look at www.eclipse-plugins.info
where you'll find all the plugins you could ever want ;-)

> Any advice as to where to where to get started in reading about how to
> make these tools work for me would be appreciated. Some sort of
> tutorial would be good if I could find one.

Open the Help from within Eclipse - there are some tutorials there that
will give you a much better picture than you probably have now.

HTH,
Eric


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