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Scout 3.9 nightly build [message #1032673] Wed, 03 April 2013 09:29 Go to next message
David Marx is currently offline David MarxFriend
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Hi all,

i'm trying to install Scout 3.9 with the nightly build (http://download.eclipse.org/scout/nightly) but the installation can not be completed because of missing requirements:

index.php/fa/14226/0/

I performed the following steps: (With Windows 7 professional, 64bit):
- Download Eclipse IDE for Java Developers (http://www.eclipse.org/downloads/packages/eclipse-ide-java-developers/junosr2)
- Help > Install new Software, update site: http://download.eclipse.org/scout/nightly
- Checked "Eclipse Scout RAP Target", "Eclipse Scout Runtime", "Eclipse Scout SDK" and "Eclipse Scout SDK RAP"

Thanks in Advance for any help,

David

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Re: Scout 3.9 nightly build [message #1033591 is a reply to message #1032673] Thu, 04 April 2013 12:08 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Ken Lee is currently offline Ken LeeFriend
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Hi David,

I usually use a classic Eclipse SDK version that you can find at [1] (Juno 3.8.2) or [2] (Juno 4.2.2) for example. However, the following installation guide should also work for Eclipse Java Developers EPP.

To install Scout Nightly into your Eclipse IDE, first add the Scout Nightyl Updatesite [3] by using "Help -> Install New Software...".
To get a "complete" Scout incl. runtime, SDK and RAP, you should choose the features according to the picture [4].
Please verify that you have checked the box "Contact all update site during install to find required software" so that depending bundles at the Juno updatesite are used.

The "Eclipse Scout" feature that was introduced with Scout 3.9 is a so-called super-feature and contains the following sub-features:


  • Eclipse Scout Runtime
  • Eclipse Scout Runtime Testing
  • Eclipse Scout SDK
  • Eclipse Scout SDK RAP


The feature "Eclipse Scout RAP Target" contains the RAP bundles so that you can extract them to your local file system when creating a Scout project with the RAP UI.

Please tell me if the update does work now.

Cheers,

Ken

[1] http://download.eclipse.org/eclipse/downloads/drops/R-3.8.2-201301310800/
[2] http://download.eclipse.org/eclipse/downloads/drops4/R-4.2.2-201302041200/
[3] http://download.eclipse.org/scout/nightly
[4] index.php/fa/14240/0/

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Re: Scout 3.9 nightly build [message #1033605 is a reply to message #1033591] Thu, 04 April 2013 12:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
David Marx is currently offline David MarxFriend
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Hi Ken,

it turned out i disabled the option "Contact all update site during install to find required software", after enabling it again everything works fine.

Many thanks for your help,

David

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Re: Scout 3.9 nightly build [message #1036311 is a reply to message #1033605] Mon, 08 April 2013 08:11 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Urs Beeli is currently offline Urs BeeliFriend
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I've tried updating one of my eclipse installations (Juno 4.2.1; Scout 3.8.1) to the nightly build according to the instructions from Ken.

I get the following errors:
index.php/fa/14276/0/

From those marked in green, I assume that I first need to uninstall Scout 3.8.1, is this correct?
Will this automatically resolve the unresolvable dependencies marked in red, as well, or do I need to do anything else to fix this?

Cheers
/urs

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Re: Scout 3.9 nightly build [message #1036338 is a reply to message #1036311] Mon, 08 April 2013 08:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Ken Lee is currently offline Ken LeeFriend
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Urs Beeli wrote on Mon, 08 April 2013 04:11

From those marked in green, I assume that I first need to uninstall Scout 3.8.1, is this correct?


Hi Urs,

Yes, your assumption is absolutely correct. Please have a look at [1], in your case especially at bug [2].
In summary, feature ids were renamed in Scout 3.9, that's why an update from Scout 3.8 to Scout 3.9 does not work anymore.
That was the reason why I used an Eclipse Classic SDK version (i.e. without a previous version of Scout installed) for my above guide.

The red part should not appear if you use an Eclipse version where Scout is not installed.

Cheers,

Ken

[1] http://wiki.eclipse.org/Scout/Migration/3.9
[2] https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=396871

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Re: Scout 3.9 nightly build [message #1036567 is a reply to message #1036338] Mon, 08 April 2013 14:52 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Urs Beeli is currently offline Urs BeeliFriend
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Thanks, I have it all installed now. I assume that I will now be easily able to upgrade to a new nightly build without uninstalling/reinstalling. Is this correct?

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Re: Scout 3.9 nightly build [message #1037154 is a reply to message #1036567] Tue, 09 April 2013 08:16 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Jeremie Bresson is currently offline Jeremie BressonFriend
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When the feature name/id do not change, the "update" function should work. So you just need to run "help > check for updates".

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Re: Scout 3.9 nightly build [message #1037284 is a reply to message #1037154] Tue, 09 April 2013 11:26 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Urs Beeli is currently offline Urs BeeliFriend
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Cool, thanks.

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Re: Scout 3.9 nightly build [message #1038977 is a reply to message #1037284] Thu, 11 April 2013 15:14 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Urs Beeli is currently offline Urs BeeliFriend
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I've been working with the nightly build Scout SDK (3.9.0.20130408-0146) and noticed a few things that seem to be different than before:

  • in the Scout View I open the Shared tree and select "Icons", this gives me the "Open Icons Editor" link in the "Scout Object Property" view. Clicking on that link shows me an empty table without any icons whatsoever.
    The dropdown list for the IconId property on forms (and other Scout elements) still work, though. Is this a known issue when migrating from Scout SDK 3.8.1 to 3.9.0 (i.e. can I fix this myself), or is this a bug introduced as part of the Kepler SDK?
  • adding a new Form to my client in the past distributed the files as follows:
    - org.eclipse.minicrm.client.ui.forms.MyForm
    - org.eclipse.minicrm.shared.security.*MyPermission
    - org.eclipse.minicrm.shared.services.process.IMyService
    - org.eclipse.minicrm.shared.services.process.MyFormData
    - org.eclipse.minicrm.server.services.process.MyService
    Since upgrading to the nightly build these files are placed as follows:
    - org.eclipse.minicrm.client.subpackage.MyForm
    - org.eclipse.minicrm.shared.subpackage.*MyPermission
    - org.eclipse.minicrm.shared.subpackage.IMyService
    - org.eclipse.minicrm.shared.subpackage.MyFormData
    - org.eclipse.minicrm.server.subpackage.MyService
    In my eyes, this is a step backwards, as I liked having the created files grouped by "topic", not by "form/subpackage". I could see how having the "subpackage" part added below the "topic" packages (i.e. below client.ui.forms, shared.permissions, shared.services.process, server.services.process), but adding them on the top level seems nonsenical to me. Is this intentional or a bug? Can the old behaviour be restored somehow?


If neither of the above is intended behaviour, do you want me to open bugs for those two issues?

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Re: Scout 3.9 nightly build [message #1041510 is a reply to message #1038977] Mon, 15 April 2013 07:30 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Urs Beeli is currently offline Urs BeeliFriend
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I just updated to the latest nightly build 3.9.0.20130415-0207 and both behaviours are still the same.

I decided to open bugs for the two issues:
https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=405686 (Icon Editor)
https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=405687 (Adding forms)

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Re: Scout 3.9 nightly build [message #1041662 is a reply to message #1041510] Mon, 15 April 2013 11:39 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Matthias Villiger is currently offline Matthias VilligerFriend
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Hi Urs,

I replied in the corresponding bugs.

A short summary:
- The icons editor was a bug that has been fixed. Thank you for pointing that out!
- The location of new java files is intentional. We think you get a better grouping of what belongs together than when grouping by class type. there is no possibility to revert to the old behavior.

regards,
m

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Re: Scout 3.9 nightly build [message #1042224 is a reply to message #1041662] Tue, 16 April 2013 06:23 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Urs Beeli is currently offline Urs BeeliFriend
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Hi Matthias

Thanks for your responses (I saw them in the bugs). The new way of grouping will take a little getting used to. I saw the fix for the icons editor. When I tried Help->Check for Updates this morning, Eclipse told me there weren't any, so I'll check again next week (I'll be out of the office for the rest of the week) and post a comment to the bug when I have verified the fix.

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Re: Scout 3.9 nightly build [message #1042272 is a reply to message #1042224] Tue, 16 April 2013 07:47 Go to previous message
Ken Lee is currently offline Ken LeeFriend
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Urs Beeli wrote on Tue, 16 April 2013 02:23
When I tried Help->Check for Updates this morning, Eclipse told me there weren't any, so I'll check again next week


Hi Urs,

There are currently some problems with the Eclipse Hudson [1] so there haven't been any Nightly Builds since April 14th.
If Hudson is up and running again, the latest changes from Matthias should be included in the build.

Cheers,

Ken

[1] https://hudson.eclipse.org/hudson/

[Updated on: Tue, 16 April 2013 07:47]

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