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| Upgrading 3.0 M3 to M4 [message #146595] |
Mon, 20 October 2003 10:51  |
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Can someone please tell me how to use the Software Updates feature to
upgrade from 3.0 M3 to M4? When I go to "Find and Install ..." and
"Search for updates of the currently installed features" it doesn't return
anything.
Derek Greer
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| Re: Upgrading 3.0 M3 to M4 [message #149247 is a reply to message #147965] |
Fri, 24 October 2003 17:28  |
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I'm not sure I follow your statement concerning most of the plugins
changing.
What I'm looking for is something like the windows update which notifies
you that an update is available, allows you to download the update, and
then performs the update for you, modifiying the necessary files to bring
the system up to the latest version. The update manager doesn't seem to
be doing any of these steps. I don't find that downloading the latest
version to be fast at all, unless you assume that I can overlay with no
side affects. I tried this before from 2.0 to 2.1 and it messed things
up. By "just download the new zip and unzip it", do you mean unzipping it
in the existing eclipse installation directory?
If you mean reinstalling completely, then the steps I have to take are to
go into preferences, reset formatting, classpath variables, source and bin
dirs, etc., reconfigure the CVS server, get the tags updated, recheck out
everything I was working on (this also requires that I make sure
everything is checked in before I start the switch), reconfigure the
properties for each of the projects, etc., etc., etc.
In short, what I want is to be in the middle of developing several
projects, notice that the next milestone is available, click an update
button, restart Eclipse, and viola, I have the feature or bug fix dejour.
Was the update manager just designed for plugins, or also for the eclipse
platform proper?
Derek
P.S.
I'm unable to subscribe to this newsgroup since my company's provider
doesn't provide the eclipse groups. I therefore have to use the interface
provided on the eclipse site. It has a place for my email address, but
I'm not being copied on any of the responses. Is there a way to have this
interface copy me, or is there an alternate way I can get subscribed to
this group? I'm also newsgroup ignorant, so please excuse me if this is a
stupid question.
Peter Manahan wrote:
> There is a bugzilla opened about it.
> https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=37701
> I've never understood the rationale for wanting this beyond testing the
> update manager itself. During a development cycle most of the plugins
> would change bewteen Milestones. It is faster to download the new zip
> and unzip it.
> I have been looking at a similar issue to this and the key thought users
> had wasn't having the Update Manager download the update. It was to be
> notified that an update was available that was the key. They wanted
> something like windows has. It downloads an update in the background and
> notifies you that it is available to install. Is your use case the same?
> I'm curious because I am looking at how WSAD (its based on eclipse) is
> going to handle updates. Update manager is used update the eclipse
> portion of the product is a part of that. Any input on different use
> cases will be beneficial and will help the Update Manager team
> understand the different sets of customers they support.
> Thanks.
> Peter
> Derek Greer wrote:
> > Why not? Is it only intended to work for regular releases?
> >
> > Derek
> >
> >
> > Peter Manahan wrote:
> >
> >
> >>You can't use software updates to upgrade from M3 to M4. Download M4 and
> >> unzip it to a new directory.
> >
> >
> >>Peter
> >
> >
> >>Derek Greer wrote:
> >>
> >>>Can someone please tell me how to use the Software Updates feature to
> >>>upgrade from 3.0 M3 to M4? When I go to "Find and Install ..." and
> >>>"Search for updates of the currently installed features" it doesn't return
> >>>anything.
> >>>
> >>>Derek Greer
> >>>
> >
> >
> >
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| Re: Upgrading 3.0 M3 to M4 [message #149256 is a reply to message #149247] |
Fri, 24 October 2003 21:27 |
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Originally posted by: dorian.birsan.net
"Derek Greer" <dgreer@fedex.com> wrote in message
news:bnc5hg$geo$1@eclipse.org...
> I'm not sure I follow your statement concerning most of the plugins
> changing.
>
> What I'm looking for is something like the windows update which notifies
> you that an update is available, allows you to download the update, and
> then performs the update for you, modifiying the necessary files to bring
> the system up to the latest version. The update manager doesn't seem to
> be doing any of these steps.
It actually does, but you need to enable it:
Window->Preferences->Install/Update->Automatic Updates.
The problem is the currently the builds are not available on the update site
(http://update.eclipse.org/updates - the place where features/plugins are
to picked up by eclipse).
Experimental stuff:
For testing purposes, builds are available on a test update site
http://update.eclipse.org/testUpdates and you could actually download a full
build from there by using an update proxy/policy file as follows:
open Window>Preferences>Install/Update and paste the following URL into the
Policy URL entry
http://dev.eclipse.org/viewcvs/index.cgi/%7Echeckout%7E/plat form-update-home/policy.xml
This has the effect of redirecting the update manager to download builds
from the test site.
>I don't find that downloading the latest
> version to be fast at all, unless you assume that I can overlay with no
> side affects. I tried this before from 2.0 to 2.1 and it messed things
> up. By "just download the new zip and unzip it", do you mean unzipping it
> in the existing eclipse installation directory?
>
>
> If you mean reinstalling completely, then the steps I have to take are to
> go into preferences, reset formatting, classpath variables, source and bin
> dirs, etc., reconfigure the CVS server, get the tags updated, recheck out
> everything I was working on (this also requires that I make sure
> everything is checked in before I start the switch), reconfigure the
> properties for each of the projects, etc., etc., etc.
You don't have to do all the above if you just move from M3 to M4.
I think it is enough to remove the eclipse/features and eclipse/plugins
directories and overlay the new M4 build on top.
Preferences, the workspace, etc. will be preserved.
I do this with all my builds (I update to all integration builds, and
sometimes to nighlty builds)
>
> In short, what I want is to be in the middle of developing several
> projects, notice that the next milestone is available, click an update
> button, restart Eclipse, and viola, I have the feature or bug fix dejour.
>
> Was the update manager just designed for plugins, or also for the eclipse
> platform proper?
For plugins only.
>
> Derek
>
> P.S.
>
> I'm unable to subscribe to this newsgroup since my company's provider
> doesn't provide the eclipse groups. I therefore have to use the interface
> provided on the eclipse site. It has a place for my email address, but
> I'm not being copied on any of the responses. Is there a way to have this
> interface copy me, or is there an alternate way I can get subscribed to
> this group? I'm also newsgroup ignorant, so please excuse me if this is a
> stupid question.
>
>
>
>
> Peter Manahan wrote:
>
> > There is a bugzilla opened about it.
>
> > https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=37701
>
> > I've never understood the rationale for wanting this beyond testing the
> > update manager itself. During a development cycle most of the plugins
> > would change bewteen Milestones. It is faster to download the new zip
> > and unzip it.
>
> > I have been looking at a similar issue to this and the key thought users
> > had wasn't having the Update Manager download the update. It was to be
> > notified that an update was available that was the key. They wanted
> > something like windows has. It downloads an update in the background and
> > notifies you that it is available to install. Is your use case the same?
>
> > I'm curious because I am looking at how WSAD (its based on eclipse) is
> > going to handle updates. Update manager is used update the eclipse
> > portion of the product is a part of that. Any input on different use
> > cases will be beneficial and will help the Update Manager team
> > understand the different sets of customers they support.
>
> > Thanks.
> > Peter
>
> > Derek Greer wrote:
> > > Why not? Is it only intended to work for regular releases?
> > >
> > > Derek
> > >
> > >
> > > Peter Manahan wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >>You can't use software updates to upgrade from M3 to M4. Download M4
and
> > >> unzip it to a new directory.
> > >
> > >
> > >>Peter
> > >
> > >
> > >>Derek Greer wrote:
> > >>
> > >>>Can someone please tell me how to use the Software Updates feature to
> > >>>upgrade from 3.0 M3 to M4? When I go to "Find and Install ..." and
> > >>>"Search for updates of the currently installed features" it doesn't
return
> > >>>anything.
> > >>>
> > >>>Derek Greer
> > >>>
> > >
> > >
> > >
>
>
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| Re: Upgrading 3.0 M3 to M4 [message #150285 is a reply to message #149256] |
Tue, 28 October 2003 12:45 |
| Eclipse User |
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Great. Thanks for the information. I tried it, but it caused Eclipse
to no longer be able to start. I guess it pulled some unstable version.
dorian birsan wrote:
> "Derek Greer" <dgreer@fedex.com> wrote in message
> news:bnc5hg$geo$1@eclipse.org...
> > I'm not sure I follow your statement concerning most of the plugins
> > changing.
> >
> > What I'm looking for is something like the windows update which notifies
> > you that an update is available, allows you to download the update, and
> > then performs the update for you, modifiying the necessary files to bring
> > the system up to the latest version. The update manager doesn't seem to
> > be doing any of these steps.
> It actually does, but you need to enable it:
> Window->Preferences->Install/Update->Automatic Updates.
> The problem is the currently the builds are not available on the update site
> (http://update.eclipse.org/updates - the place where features/plugins are
> to picked up by eclipse).
> Experimental stuff:
> For testing purposes, builds are available on a test update site
> http://update.eclipse.org/testUpdates and you could actually download a full
> build from there by using an update proxy/policy file as follows:
> open Window>Preferences>Install/Update and paste the following URL into the
> Policy URL entry
>
http://dev.eclipse.org/viewcvs/index.cgi/%7Echeckout%7E/plat form-update-home/policy.xml
> This has the effect of redirecting the update manager to download builds
> from the test site.
> >I don't find that downloading the latest
> > version to be fast at all, unless you assume that I can overlay with no
> > side affects. I tried this before from 2.0 to 2.1 and it messed things
> > up. By "just download the new zip and unzip it", do you mean unzipping it
> > in the existing eclipse installation directory?
> >
> >
> > If you mean reinstalling completely, then the steps I have to take are to
> > go into preferences, reset formatting, classpath variables, source and bin
> > dirs, etc., reconfigure the CVS server, get the tags updated, recheck out
> > everything I was working on (this also requires that I make sure
> > everything is checked in before I start the switch), reconfigure the
> > properties for each of the projects, etc., etc., etc.
> You don't have to do all the above if you just move from M3 to M4.
> I think it is enough to remove the eclipse/features and eclipse/plugins
> directories and overlay the new M4 build on top.
> Preferences, the workspace, etc. will be preserved.
> I do this with all my builds (I update to all integration builds, and
> sometimes to nighlty builds)
> >
> > In short, what I want is to be in the middle of developing several
> > projects, notice that the next milestone is available, click an update
> > button, restart Eclipse, and viola, I have the feature or bug fix dejour.
> >
> > Was the update manager just designed for plugins, or also for the eclipse
> > platform proper?
> For plugins only.
> >
> > Derek
> >
> > P.S.
> >
> > I'm unable to subscribe to this newsgroup since my company's provider
> > doesn't provide the eclipse groups. I therefore have to use the interface
> > provided on the eclipse site. It has a place for my email address, but
> > I'm not being copied on any of the responses. Is there a way to have this
> > interface copy me, or is there an alternate way I can get subscribed to
> > this group? I'm also newsgroup ignorant, so please excuse me if this is a
> > stupid question.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Peter Manahan wrote:
> >
> > > There is a bugzilla opened about it.
> >
> > > https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=37701
> >
> > > I've never understood the rationale for wanting this beyond testing the
> > > update manager itself. During a development cycle most of the plugins
> > > would change bewteen Milestones. It is faster to download the new zip
> > > and unzip it.
> >
> > > I have been looking at a similar issue to this and the key thought users
> > > had wasn't having the Update Manager download the update. It was to be
> > > notified that an update was available that was the key. They wanted
> > > something like windows has. It downloads an update in the background and
> > > notifies you that it is available to install. Is your use case the same?
> >
> > > I'm curious because I am looking at how WSAD (its based on eclipse) is
> > > going to handle updates. Update manager is used update the eclipse
> > > portion of the product is a part of that. Any input on different use
> > > cases will be beneficial and will help the Update Manager team
> > > understand the different sets of customers they support.
> >
> > > Thanks.
> > > Peter
> >
> > > Derek Greer wrote:
> > > > Why not? Is it only intended to work for regular releases?
> > > >
> > > > Derek
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Peter Manahan wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >>You can't use software updates to upgrade from M3 to M4. Download M4
> and
> > > >> unzip it to a new directory.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >>Peter
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >>Derek Greer wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >>>Can someone please tell me how to use the Software Updates feature to
> > > >>>upgrade from 3.0 M3 to M4? When I go to "Find and Install ..." and
> > > >>>"Search for updates of the currently installed features" it doesn't
> return
> > > >>>anything.
> > > >>>
> > > >>>Derek Greer
> > > >>>
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> >
> >
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