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Eclipse VE and .NET VE [message #124202] Tue, 02 May 2006 18:44 Go to next message
Eclipse UserFriend
Originally posted by: ivanooi.gmail.com

Hi all,

I'm evaluating VE 1.2M3 and .NET 2005
I got few comments :-

1) I found out I cannot click, drag and mark few controls in Eclipse VE.
It
will move the container instead.. but I able to do that in .NET VE.

2) A bit delay when moving control around but smooth in .NET.
3) There's no way i can use keyboard to resize or move the control in
Eclipse VE.
4) Grid supported but cant snap. Am I miss something in Eclipse VE ?
5) I found out the focus some times focus on that minimized window.

Note that I'm not against Eclipse VE but... hope to see it better and
better...

[ You must Know your enemies well before you can win your enemies ]

Thanks
Re: Eclipse VE and .NET VE [message #124215 is a reply to message #124202] Tue, 02 May 2006 19:45 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Eclipse UserFriend
Originally posted by: jefmyers.us.ibm.com

Ivan,

Thanks for the feedback. Does .NET containers use layout managers, or is
it all absolute positioning?

- Jeff
Re: Eclipse VE and .NET VE [message #124228 is a reply to message #124215] Wed, 03 May 2006 01:25 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Eclipse UserFriend
Originally posted by: ivanooi.gmail.com

Hi,

Thanks for your repply. I very appreciate that.

NET VE support layout with different way. They called "Anchor".
Anchor are set on every controls.

Eclipse VE, should not allow users select or move the
Container(ContentPane) that
exist inside JFrame and JDialog, since those are not removable container.

Nice if VE can implement "Lock controls" feature like dotNET VE does.
"Lock controls" will freez existing controls and window from accidentally
resize
or move but still allow user to add new control.

I think VE should implement something more specific like allow user which
control
should lock. This is good when you got few controls sit on top of JPanel
where
you can lock the JPanel while you are moving and resizing the others
control.

Thanks
Re: Eclipse VE and .NET VE [message #124297 is a reply to message #124215] Wed, 03 May 2006 20:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Eclipse UserFriend
Originally posted by: jefmyers.us.ibm.com

FYI - you can enable Snap to Grid in null layout by right clicking on
the container and selecting Snap to Grid.

- Jeff
Re: Eclipse VE and .NET VE [message #124319 is a reply to message #124297] Thu, 04 May 2006 00:38 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Eclipse UserFriend
Originally posted by: ivanooi.gmail.com

Hi,

Snap to grid - Thanks! :-D

Hope to see VE able to solve/support the other points that i mention :-D
Re: Eclipse VE and .NET VE [message #124331 is a reply to message #124202] Thu, 04 May 2006 16:13 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Stephen is currently offline StephenFriend
Messages: 47
Registered: July 2009
Member
Have you tried out <a href="http://www.windowbuilderpro.com/">Instantations WindowBuilder Pro</a> or <a href="http://cloudgarden.com/jigloo/index.html">Jigloo</a>? WindowBuilder rocks. Neither are free, but they are cheaper than VS.NET 2005 pro.
Re: Eclipse VE and .NET VE [message #124344 is a reply to message #124331] Thu, 04 May 2006 17:55 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Eclipse UserFriend
Originally posted by: ivanooi.gmail.com

Hi,

wow! those very cool!
but still... nice if VE able to do like :-
1)click, drag and mark.
2)Resize or move using Keyboard.
3)Better reaction. Still a bit slow, not snappy as .NET VE or JDeveloper.
4)Auto alignment as .NET VE without using any layout manager. That very
cool
in .NET VE! something like XCode for Apple. I know WindowBuilderPro can
do
that....

Now .NET Express are free... eventhough just come with basic features but
their VE very nice!

Thanks! Hope to see more people repply and care about Eclipse VE! :-D

regards
Re: Eclipse VE and .NET VE [message #124357 is a reply to message #124215] Fri, 05 May 2006 01:20 Go to previous message
Marcin Dobosz is currently offline Marcin DoboszFriend
Messages: 80
Registered: July 2009
Member
..Net uses absolute positioning within a parent's area.

It also supports "anchoring" controls to one or more of the four sides -
this basically means that if you resize the parent, the control will be
resized/repositioned so that its 'margin' to the anchored edges will remain
the same. This is what you would use to implement for example buttons that
stay in the bottom right side of a dialog.

Another option is to "dock" a control to an edge, which means that the child
will cling to that edge of the parent and the child's two adjacent
dimensions will be expanded so that the child clings along the entire lengh
of the parent. This is what you would use to implement the top
title/hint/graphic portion of a wizard dialog that's in Eclipse.

Marcin

"Jeff Myers" <jefmyers@us.ibm.com> wrote in message
news:e38cs2$4gt$1@utils.eclipse.org...
> Ivan,
>
> Thanks for the feedback. Does .NET containers use layout managers, or is
> it all absolute positioning?
>
> - Jeff
Re: Eclipse VE and .NET VE [message #612807 is a reply to message #124202] Tue, 02 May 2006 19:45 Go to previous message
Jeff Myers is currently offline Jeff MyersFriend
Messages: 396
Registered: July 2009
Senior Member
Ivan,

Thanks for the feedback. Does .NET containers use layout managers, or is
it all absolute positioning?

- Jeff
Re: Eclipse VE and .NET VE [message #612808 is a reply to message #124215] Wed, 03 May 2006 01:25 Go to previous message
Ivan is currently offline IvanFriend
Messages: 149
Registered: July 2009
Senior Member
Hi,

Thanks for your repply. I very appreciate that.

NET VE support layout with different way. They called "Anchor".
Anchor are set on every controls.

Eclipse VE, should not allow users select or move the
Container(ContentPane) that
exist inside JFrame and JDialog, since those are not removable container.

Nice if VE can implement "Lock controls" feature like dotNET VE does.
"Lock controls" will freez existing controls and window from accidentally
resize
or move but still allow user to add new control.

I think VE should implement something more specific like allow user which
control
should lock. This is good when you got few controls sit on top of JPanel
where
you can lock the JPanel while you are moving and resizing the others
control.

Thanks
Re: Eclipse VE and .NET VE [message #612821 is a reply to message #124215] Wed, 03 May 2006 20:28 Go to previous message
Jeff Myers is currently offline Jeff MyersFriend
Messages: 396
Registered: July 2009
Senior Member
FYI - you can enable Snap to Grid in null layout by right clicking on
the container and selecting Snap to Grid.

- Jeff
Re: Eclipse VE and .NET VE [message #612825 is a reply to message #124297] Thu, 04 May 2006 00:38 Go to previous message
Ivan is currently offline IvanFriend
Messages: 149
Registered: July 2009
Senior Member
Hi,

Snap to grid - Thanks! :-D

Hope to see VE able to solve/support the other points that i mention :-D
Re: Eclipse VE and .NET VE [message #612827 is a reply to message #124202] Thu, 04 May 2006 16:13 Go to previous message
Stephen is currently offline StephenFriend
Messages: 47
Registered: July 2009
Member
Have you tried out <a href="http://www.windowbuilderpro.com/">Instantations WindowBuilder Pro</a> or <a href="http://cloudgarden.com/jigloo/index.html">Jigloo</a>? WindowBuilder rocks. Neither are free, but they are cheaper than VS.NET 2005 pro.
Re: Eclipse VE and .NET VE [message #612828 is a reply to message #124331] Thu, 04 May 2006 17:55 Go to previous message
Ivan is currently offline IvanFriend
Messages: 149
Registered: July 2009
Senior Member
Hi,

wow! those very cool!
but still... nice if VE able to do like :-
1)click, drag and mark.
2)Resize or move using Keyboard.
3)Better reaction. Still a bit slow, not snappy as .NET VE or JDeveloper.
4)Auto alignment as .NET VE without using any layout manager. That very
cool
in .NET VE! something like XCode for Apple. I know WindowBuilderPro can
do
that....

Now .NET Express are free... eventhough just come with basic features but
their VE very nice!

Thanks! Hope to see more people repply and care about Eclipse VE! :-D

regards
Re: Eclipse VE and .NET VE [message #612830 is a reply to message #124215] Fri, 05 May 2006 01:20 Go to previous message
Marcin Dobosz is currently offline Marcin DoboszFriend
Messages: 80
Registered: July 2009
Member
..Net uses absolute positioning within a parent's area.

It also supports "anchoring" controls to one or more of the four sides -
this basically means that if you resize the parent, the control will be
resized/repositioned so that its 'margin' to the anchored edges will remain
the same. This is what you would use to implement for example buttons that
stay in the bottom right side of a dialog.

Another option is to "dock" a control to an edge, which means that the child
will cling to that edge of the parent and the child's two adjacent
dimensions will be expanded so that the child clings along the entire lengh
of the parent. This is what you would use to implement the top
title/hint/graphic portion of a wizard dialog that's in Eclipse.

Marcin

"Jeff Myers" <jefmyers@us.ibm.com> wrote in message
news:e38cs2$4gt$1@utils.eclipse.org...
> Ivan,
>
> Thanks for the feedback. Does .NET containers use layout managers, or is
> it all absolute positioning?
>
> - Jeff
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