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[ANN] Instantiations Acquires SWT Designer Technology [message #100111] Tue, 30 September 2003 14:56 Go to next message
Eclipse UserFriend
Originally posted by: mark_johnson.instantiations.com

SWT Designer is a tool that will help software developers easily create
powerful, rich client user interfaces for a Java applications.
Instantiations has acquired SWT Designer from its author, Konstantin
Scheglov. Konstantin will have an ongoing technical relationship with
Instantiations and will assist in the design and implementation of future
GUI building products.

"SWT Designer shows a level of productivity that is directly on par
with what
Visual Basic is renowned for, but it's all in Java and it appears to
be both
solid and useful." -- Rick Ross, Javalobby (www.javalobby.org)

SWT Designer is built as a plugin to Eclipse. Using WYSIWYG layout tools,
you don't need to write any lines of java code - the code will be generated
for you by the Designer. You can easily add any control to a composite by
using drag-and-drop, add an event handler to your controls, change various
properties of controls using property editors and much more. Generated code
doesn't require any additional non-SWT library to compile and run: all of
the generated code can be used without having the designer installed.

SWT Designer is available immediately for Eclipse 2.1, Eclipse 3.0(M3) and
IBM WebSphere Studio 5.1 running on Windows 2000/XP or Linux/GTK2. The price
per developer for SWT Designer is $199. For a limited time, Eclipse
newsgroup users can get a 25% discount ($149) when purchasing SWT Designer.
To take advantage of this offer, go to the Order page on
www.instantiations.com/swt-designer and enter this coupon code: ECLP030930.
There is also a free trial version of SWT Designer available on the web
site.

Instantiations

Product Home: http://www.instantiations.com/swt-desinger
Web Demos: http://www.instantiations.com/swt-designer/demos.html
User Guide: http://www.instantiations.com/swt-designer/docs.html
Download: http://www.instantiations.com/swt-designer/download.html
Re: [ANN] Instantiations Acquires SWT Designer Technology [message #100598 is a reply to message #100111] Thu, 02 October 2003 11:43 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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looks great, but not really useful until it supports form layout. when
it does, i'll pony up the cash.

-alvin
Re: [ANN] Instantiations Acquires SWT Designer Technology [message #100638 is a reply to message #100598] Thu, 02 October 2003 13:27 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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"Alvin Thompson" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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> looks great, but not really useful until it supports form layout.

We are working on FormLayout support right now, and it will be very exciting
graphically. We plan to support FormLayout only in the professional version
of the product, however, and not the free version.

-Eric Clayberg
Sr. Vice President of Product Development
Instantiations, Inc.
mailto:cpsws-support@instantiations.com
http://www.instantiations.com
http://www.instantiations.com/codepro/ws
http://www.swt-designer.com
Re: [ANN] Instantiations Acquires SWT Designer Technology [message #100681 is a reply to message #100111] Thu, 02 October 2003 14:22 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Eclipse UserFriend
great to see that the guy who has contributed so much to the landscape
of free eclipse plugins (eclipse profiler) is now also making some money
off his work.

Christian
Re: [ANN] Instantiations Acquires SWT Designer Technology [message #100692 is a reply to message #100638] Thu, 02 October 2003 14:44 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Eclipse UserFriend
great. i'd also like to point out that the generated code is some of the
cleanest i've seen, and grouping individual components in blocks helps
make it very readable. very nice.

however, one request: instead of burying the event management code
inside the swt objects themselves, have the listeners call a method
outside of the object. i hate having to dig through all the gui stuff
just to find the actual working logic of the program; it should be
placed together in one spot.

thanks,
alvin
Re: [ANN] Instantiations Acquires SWT Designer Technology [message #100779 is a reply to message #100692] Thu, 02 October 2003 22:08 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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"Alvin Thompson" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:3F7C71FA.6030105@nowhere.com...
> great. i'd also like to point out that the generated code is some of the
> cleanest i've seen, and grouping individual components in blocks helps
> make it very readable. very nice.

It is very nice...although I should note that many folks don't like that
style (preferring the "flat" style common in much of the base Eclipse code).
We hope to support several different code generation styles (blocks, no
blocks, calls to sub methods, etc.).

> however, one request: instead of burying the event management code
> inside the swt objects themselves, have the listeners call a method
> outside of the object. i hate having to dig through all the gui stuff
> just to find the actual working logic of the program; it should be
> placed together in one spot.

Ultimately, that may be something we can control via a preference.

-Eric Clayberg
Sr. Vice President of Product Development
Instantiations, Inc.
mailto:cpsws-support@instantiations.com
http://www.instantiations.com
http://www.instantiations.com/codepro/ws
http://www.swt-designer.com
Re: [ANN] Instantiations Acquires SWT Designer Technology [message #100797 is a reply to message #100681] Thu, 02 October 2003 22:13 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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"Christian Sell" <cse@dynabean.de> wrote in message
news:blhqag$f7o$1@eclipse.org...
> great to see that the guy who has contributed so much to the landscape
> of free eclipse plugins (eclipse profiler) is now also making some money
> off his work.

We are very happy to support his on-going development efforts. He is one of
the most extraordinarily gifted developers that I have ever encountered. I
am constantly amazed at the quality of his code and his keen eye for
aesthetic details. That is a very rare combination indeed.

-Eric Clayberg
Sr. Vice President of Product Development
Instantiations, Inc.
mailto:cpsws-support@instantiations.com
http://www.instantiations.com
http://www.instantiations.com/codepro/ws
http://www.swt-designer.com
Re: [ANN] Instantiations Acquires SWT Designer Technology [message #100870 is a reply to message #100797] Fri, 03 October 2003 05:42 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Eclipse UserFriend
Originally posted by: christian.sell.netcologne.de

Maybe you can also convince him of the merits of commenting the code.
Last I looked at the profiler source, it seemed to be written under the
maxim "the code is the documentation" ... admittedly, that would fit
well into a smalltalk-influenced community.
Anyway, I guess you are not going to publish swt-designers source code.

Christian

Eric Clayberg wrote:
> "Christian Sell" <cse@dynabean.de> wrote in message
> news:blhqag$f7o$1@eclipse.org...
>
>>great to see that the guy who has contributed so much to the landscape
>>of free eclipse plugins (eclipse profiler) is now also making some money
>>off his work.
>
>
> We are very happy to support his on-going development efforts. He is one of
> the most extraordinarily gifted developers that I have ever encountered. I
> am constantly amazed at the quality of his code and his keen eye for
> aesthetic details. That is a very rare combination indeed.
>
> -Eric Clayberg
> Sr. Vice President of Product Development
> Instantiations, Inc.
> mailto:cpsws-support@instantiations.com
> http://www.instantiations.com
> http://www.instantiations.com/codepro/ws
> http://www.swt-designer.com
>
>
Re: [ANN] Instantiations Acquires SWT Designer Technology [message #101200 is a reply to message #100870] Fri, 03 October 2003 21:31 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Eclipse UserFriend
Originally posted by: ed.burnette.REMOVE.THIS.sas.com

"Christian Sell" <christian.sell@netcologne.de> wrote in message
news:bljg7c$qp3$1@eclipse.org...
> Anyway, I guess you are not going to publish swt-designers source code.

I was wondering, are there examples of commercial products that published
the full source code? (not counting HalfLife2 :) Any successes or failures
of that model?

If the license is observed, it would be nice for knowledgable users to be
able to look at it, maybe make minor changes or submit bug fixes to the
developer. The best contributors might even be attractive candidates for
hire by the publisher. Is the main worry that someone would take the source
code and incorporate it into another product? Or perhaps that people would
compile the source and run the product without paying for it?
Re: [ANN] Instantiations Acquires SWT Designer Technology [message #101212 is a reply to message #101200] Fri, 03 October 2003 23:17 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Eclipse UserFriend
umm... Redhat, Debian, et al?

-alvin
Re: [ANN] Instantiations Acquires SWT Designer Technology [message #101457 is a reply to message #101212] Sun, 05 October 2003 19:44 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Eclipse UserFriend
Originally posted by: ed.burnette.REMOVE.THIS.sas.com

No, they're mostly providing support or repackaging software that you can
get for free from other places. I'm referring to code for a commercial,
proprietary product, developed by paid staff programmers, yet the source is
made available for anyone to look at under a restrictive license (not CPL or
GPL, etc.). Does that make sense? The closest thing I can think of is the
Microsoft MFC libraries but that's part of a larger product (Visual Studio)
for which source is not available. Some component libraries come with source
but that's really required to use the library. Id releases their source but
only after the next version is out.

"Alvin Thompson" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:3F7E3BE4.7020505@nowhere.com...
> umm... Redhat, Debian, et al?
>
> -alvin
Re: [ANN] Instantiations Acquires SWT Designer Technology [message #101745 is a reply to message #101457] Mon, 06 October 2003 14:09 Go to previous message
Eclipse UserFriend
Originally posted by: glongman.intelligentworks.nospam.com

We bought a version of FogBugz way back when and it included the source
code. (ASP based so I guess they had to).

Dunno if they still do that.

http://www.fogcreek.com/FogBUGZ/

Geoff

"Ed Burnette" <ed.burnette@REMOVE.THIS.sas.com> wrote in message
news:blqaci$ins$1@eclipse.org...
> No, they're mostly providing support or repackaging software that you can
> get for free from other places. I'm referring to code for a commercial,
> proprietary product, developed by paid staff programmers, yet the source
is
> made available for anyone to look at under a restrictive license (not CPL
or
> GPL, etc.). Does that make sense? The closest thing I can think of is the
> Microsoft MFC libraries but that's part of a larger product (Visual
Studio)
> for which source is not available. Some component libraries come with
source
> but that's really required to use the library. Id releases their source
but
> only after the next version is out.
>
> "Alvin Thompson" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote in message
> news:3F7E3BE4.7020505@nowhere.com...
> > umm... Redhat, Debian, et al?
> >
> > -alvin
>
>
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