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[Search] Development Plan [message #96783] Fri, 14 September 2007 15:20 Go to next message
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Originally posted by: Kenn.Hussey.embarcadero.com

I was just browsing the EMF Model Search Dev Plan, and I saw nothing
specifically related to search scope. What are your plans (if any) regarding
support for scopes outside the Eclipse workspace? How do you see the
component relating to the OpenSearch (http://www.opensearch.org/Home), if at
all?

Kenn
Re: [Search] Development Plan [message #96855 is a reply to message #96783] Mon, 17 September 2007 08:45 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Originally posted by: lucas.bigeardel.anyware-tech.com

Kenn,

It is true that model queries applying on workspace are the only
supported ones for the moment.

I mentioned a "RCP mode" in the dev plan, that is likely supporting
queries launching on *any* File System. (RCP ready for [M6 + 2w]
(Tentative) ...)

Unfortunately I didn't put effort yet neither on research or dev on that
particular topic. However, I tried to take advantage of generics as much
as possible to facilitate such integration in future milestones.

I'll take some time to analyze opensearch.org information and find out
what's can be usefull getting non-workskpace EMFT Search queries mode
working ASAP.

regards,

Kenn Hussey a écrit :
> I was just browsing the EMF Model Search Dev Plan, and I saw nothing
> specifically related to search scope. What are your plans (if any) regarding
> support for scopes outside the Eclipse workspace? How do you see the
> component relating to the OpenSearch (http://www.opensearch.org/Home), if at
> all?
>
> Kenn
>
>
Re: [Search] Development Plan [message #96867 is a reply to message #96855] Mon, 17 September 2007 13:30 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Eclipse UserFriend
Originally posted by: Kenn.Hussey.embarcadero.com

Lucas,

Thanks for the reply. I was also wondering whether you've given any thought
to the potential of integrating in some way with the JCR management
component (http://www.eclipse.org/modeling/emft/?project=jcrm#jcrm). Given
that JCR supports search "out of the box", it would seem natural (at a
glance) to provide a repository search scope that could execute searches via
the JCR (management) APIs...

Kenn

"lb" <lucas.bigeardel@anyware-tech.com> wrote in message
news:fcler9$ssq$1@build.eclipse.org...
> Kenn,
>
> It is true that model queries applying on workspace are the only supported
> ones for the moment.
>
> I mentioned a "RCP mode" in the dev plan, that is likely supporting
> queries launching on *any* File System. (RCP ready for [M6 + 2w]
> (Tentative) ...)
>
> Unfortunately I didn't put effort yet neither on research or dev on that
> particular topic. However, I tried to take advantage of generics as much
> as possible to facilitate such integration in future milestones.
>
> I'll take some time to analyze opensearch.org information and find out
> what's can be usefull getting non-workskpace EMFT Search queries mode
> working ASAP.
>
> regards,
>
> Kenn Hussey a
Re: [Search] Development Plan [message #96966 is a reply to message #96867] Fri, 21 September 2007 14:22 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Eclipse UserFriend
Originally posted by: lucas.bigeardel.anyware-tech.com

Kenn Hussey a écrit :
> Lucas,
>
> Thanks for the reply. I was also wondering whether you've given any thought
> to the potential of integrating in some way with the JCR management
> component (http://www.eclipse.org/modeling/emft/?project=jcrm#jcrm). Given
> that JCR supports search "out of the box", it would seem natural (at a
> glance) to provide a repository search scope that could execute searches via
> the JCR (management) APIs...
>
> Kenn

I have no idea about that particular point. Maybe, we could work
together on Use Cases and see if it can fit into the current dev plan or
to postpone it after ganymede.

The main pb I would see concerning adding new *non workspace related*
model search scopes would be that it will certainly imply opening RFEs
against [Plaform UI Search] component to add scope extensibility mechanism.

After that I just would like you to give me some clarifications on
what's your vision concerning booth OpenSearch && EMFT JCR uses.

I do understand it would introduce a kind of general WWW or J2EE
repository based model querying, but I don't really see what could be
the best in terms of User Experience on that purposes.

I would be more than happy to welcome you on board to imagine together
such new query scopes & modes.

regards,

>
> "lb" <lucas.bigeardel@anyware-tech.com> wrote in message
> news:fcler9$ssq$1@build.eclipse.org...
>> Kenn,
>>
>> It is true that model queries applying on workspace are the only supported
>> ones for the moment.
>>
>> I mentioned a "RCP mode" in the dev plan, that is likely supporting
>> queries launching on *any* File System. (RCP ready for [M6 + 2w]
>> (Tentative) ...)
>>
>> Unfortunately I didn't put effort yet neither on research or dev on that
>> particular topic. However, I tried to take advantage of generics as much
>> as possible to facilitate such integration in future milestones.
>>
>> I'll take some time to analyze opensearch.org information and find out
>> what's can be usefull getting non-workskpace EMFT Search queries mode
>> working ASAP.
>>
>> regards,
>>
>> Kenn Hussey a écrit :
>>> I was just browsing the EMF Model Search Dev Plan, and I saw nothing
>>> specifically related to search scope. What are your plans (if any)
>>> regarding support for scopes outside the Eclipse workspace? How do you
>>> see the component relating to the OpenSearch
>>> (http://www.opensearch.org/Home), if at all?
>>>
>>> Kenn
>
>
Re: [Search] Development Plan [message #97364 is a reply to message #96966] Tue, 25 September 2007 13:16 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Eclipse UserFriend
Originally posted by: Kenn.Hussey.embarcadero.com

Lucas,

Thanks for the response. My vision was that, once it's possible to store an
EMF-based model in a JCR repository using the JCRM component, it would seem
logical to expose the JCR query API somehow within EMF search... maybe
Sandro has some insight here...

Generally speaking, the scope of a search shouldn't need to be restricted to
the workspace (at least it isn't in enterprise applications). If changes in
the platform UI are required to support this, now would be a good time to
request them, I suppose.

Kenn

"lb" <lucas.bigeardel@anyware-tech.com> wrote in message
news:46F3D3AB.10404@anyware-tech.com...
> Kenn Hussey a
Re: [Search] Development Plan [message #97393 is a reply to message #97364] Tue, 25 September 2007 16:27 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Dave Carlson is currently offline Dave CarlsonFriend
Messages: 402
Registered: July 2009
Senior Member
Related to Kenn's request, but separate from JCR (which I need to look at!),
I would like the search scope to allow library models that are available via
GMF pathmap variables. These are outside of the workspace, but available
via platform URIs. In addition to the UML basic datatype libraries, I also
deploy libraries for HL7 datatypes, ISO datatypes, CCTS datatypes, and
possibly other UML reusable components used in message design. Maybe they
are or should be included when a model being searched has a PackageImport
referencing one or more library models?

Dave

"Kenn Hussey" <Kenn.Hussey@embarcadero.com> wrote in message
news:fdb1mp$c4b$1@build.eclipse.org...
>
> Generally speaking, the scope of a search shouldn't need to be restricted
> to the workspace (at least it isn't in enterprise applications). If
> changes in the platform UI are required to support this, now would be a
> good time to request them, I suppose.
Re: [Search] Development Plan [message #97407 is a reply to message #97364] Tue, 25 September 2007 16:41 Go to previous message
Eclipse UserFriend
Originally posted by: lucas.bigeardel.anyware-tech.com

Kenn Hussey a écrit :

Ok, I suppose a first step would be to post some questions to Sandro ^^

For search scope extensibility, the second step, we would certainly need
to post an RFE against the platform [Search] component but a serious
preliminary work is needed (analysis + patch ?).

I'm pretty busy on other topics at the moment (OCL, Class Diagram, ...)
and have to organize tasks depending on priorities.

regards,

- Lucas

> Lucas,
>
> Thanks for the response. My vision was that, once it's possible to store an
> EMF-based model in a JCR repository using the JCRM component, it would seem
> logical to expose the JCR query API somehow within EMF search... maybe
> Sandro has some insight here...
>
> Generally speaking, the scope of a search shouldn't need to be restricted to
> the workspace (at least it isn't in enterprise applications). If changes in
> the platform UI are required to support this, now would be a good time to
> request them, I suppose.
>
> Kenn
>
> "lb" <lucas.bigeardel@anyware-tech.com> wrote in message
> news:46F3D3AB.10404@anyware-tech.com...
>> Kenn Hussey a écrit :
>>> Lucas,
>>>
>>> Thanks for the reply. I was also wondering whether you've given any
>>> thought to the potential of integrating in some way with the JCR
>>> management component
>>> (http://www.eclipse.org/modeling/emft/?project=jcrm#jcrm). Given that JCR
>>> supports search "out of the box", it would seem natural (at a glance) to
>>> provide a repository search scope that could execute searches via the JCR
>>> (management) APIs...
>>>
>>> Kenn
>> I have no idea about that particular point. Maybe, we could work together
>> on Use Cases and see if it can fit into the current dev plan or to
>> postpone it after ganymede.
>>
>> The main pb I would see concerning adding new *non workspace related*
>> model search scopes would be that it will certainly imply opening RFEs
>> against [Plaform UI Search] component to add scope extensibility
>> mechanism.
>>
>> After that I just would like you to give me some clarifications on what's
>> your vision concerning booth OpenSearch && EMFT JCR uses.
>>
>> I do understand it would introduce a kind of general WWW or J2EE
>> repository based model querying, but I don't really see what could be the
>> best in terms of User Experience on that purposes.
>>
>> I would be more than happy to welcome you on board to imagine together
>> such new query scopes & modes.
>>
>> regards,
>>
>>> "lb" <lucas.bigeardel@anyware-tech.com> wrote in message
>>> news:fcler9$ssq$1@build.eclipse.org...
>>>> Kenn,
>>>>
>>>> It is true that model queries applying on workspace are the only
>>>> supported ones for the moment.
>>>>
>>>> I mentioned a "RCP mode" in the dev plan, that is likely supporting
>>>> queries launching on *any* File System. (RCP ready for [M6 + 2w]
>>>> (Tentative) ...)
>>>>
>>>> Unfortunately I didn't put effort yet neither on research or dev on that
>>>> particular topic. However, I tried to take advantage of generics as much
>>>> as possible to facilitate such integration in future milestones.
>>>>
>>>> I'll take some time to analyze opensearch.org information and find out
>>>> what's can be usefull getting non-workskpace EMFT Search queries mode
>>>> working ASAP.
>>>>
>>>> regards,
>>>>
>>>> Kenn Hussey a écrit :
>>>>> I was just browsing the EMF Model Search Dev Plan, and I saw nothing
>>>>> specifically related to search scope. What are your plans (if any)
>>>>> regarding support for scopes outside the Eclipse workspace? How do you
>>>>> see the component relating to the OpenSearch
>>>>> (http://www.opensearch.org/Home), if at all?
>>>>>
>>>>> Kenn
>
Re: [Search] Development Plan [message #609720 is a reply to message #96783] Mon, 17 September 2007 08:45 Go to previous message
Eclipse UserFriend
Originally posted by: lucas.bigeardel.anyware-tech.com

Kenn,

It is true that model queries applying on workspace are the only
supported ones for the moment.

I mentioned a "RCP mode" in the dev plan, that is likely supporting
queries launching on *any* File System. (RCP ready for [M6 + 2w]
(Tentative) ...)

Unfortunately I didn't put effort yet neither on research or dev on that
particular topic. However, I tried to take advantage of generics as much
as possible to facilitate such integration in future milestones.

I'll take some time to analyze opensearch.org information and find out
what's can be usefull getting non-workskpace EMFT Search queries mode
working ASAP.

regards,

Kenn Hussey a écrit :
> I was just browsing the EMF Model Search Dev Plan, and I saw nothing
> specifically related to search scope. What are your plans (if any) regarding
> support for scopes outside the Eclipse workspace? How do you see the
> component relating to the OpenSearch (http://www.opensearch.org/Home), if at
> all?
>
> Kenn
>
>
Re: [Search] Development Plan [message #609721 is a reply to message #96855] Mon, 17 September 2007 13:30 Go to previous message
Kenn Hussey is currently offline Kenn HusseyFriend
Messages: 1620
Registered: July 2009
Senior Member
Lucas,

Thanks for the reply. I was also wondering whether you've given any thought
to the potential of integrating in some way with the JCR management
component (http://www.eclipse.org/modeling/emft/?project=jcrm#jcrm). Given
that JCR supports search "out of the box", it would seem natural (at a
glance) to provide a repository search scope that could execute searches via
the JCR (management) APIs...

Kenn

"lb" <lucas.bigeardel@anyware-tech.com> wrote in message
news:fcler9$ssq$1@build.eclipse.org...
> Kenn,
>
> It is true that model queries applying on workspace are the only supported
> ones for the moment.
>
> I mentioned a "RCP mode" in the dev plan, that is likely supporting
> queries launching on *any* File System. (RCP ready for [M6 + 2w]
> (Tentative) ...)
>
> Unfortunately I didn't put effort yet neither on research or dev on that
> particular topic. However, I tried to take advantage of generics as much
> as possible to facilitate such integration in future milestones.
>
> I'll take some time to analyze opensearch.org information and find out
> what's can be usefull getting non-workskpace EMFT Search queries mode
> working ASAP.
>
> regards,
>
> Kenn Hussey a
Re: [Search] Development Plan [message #609744 is a reply to message #96867] Fri, 21 September 2007 14:22 Go to previous message
Eclipse UserFriend
Originally posted by: lucas.bigeardel.anyware-tech.com

Kenn Hussey a écrit :
> Lucas,
>
> Thanks for the reply. I was also wondering whether you've given any thought
> to the potential of integrating in some way with the JCR management
> component (http://www.eclipse.org/modeling/emft/?project=jcrm#jcrm). Given
> that JCR supports search "out of the box", it would seem natural (at a
> glance) to provide a repository search scope that could execute searches via
> the JCR (management) APIs...
>
> Kenn

I have no idea about that particular point. Maybe, we could work
together on Use Cases and see if it can fit into the current dev plan or
to postpone it after ganymede.

The main pb I would see concerning adding new *non workspace related*
model search scopes would be that it will certainly imply opening RFEs
against [Plaform UI Search] component to add scope extensibility mechanism.

After that I just would like you to give me some clarifications on
what's your vision concerning booth OpenSearch && EMFT JCR uses.

I do understand it would introduce a kind of general WWW or J2EE
repository based model querying, but I don't really see what could be
the best in terms of User Experience on that purposes.

I would be more than happy to welcome you on board to imagine together
such new query scopes & modes.

regards,

>
> "lb" <lucas.bigeardel@anyware-tech.com> wrote in message
> news:fcler9$ssq$1@build.eclipse.org...
>> Kenn,
>>
>> It is true that model queries applying on workspace are the only supported
>> ones for the moment.
>>
>> I mentioned a "RCP mode" in the dev plan, that is likely supporting
>> queries launching on *any* File System. (RCP ready for [M6 + 2w]
>> (Tentative) ...)
>>
>> Unfortunately I didn't put effort yet neither on research or dev on that
>> particular topic. However, I tried to take advantage of generics as much
>> as possible to facilitate such integration in future milestones.
>>
>> I'll take some time to analyze opensearch.org information and find out
>> what's can be usefull getting non-workskpace EMFT Search queries mode
>> working ASAP.
>>
>> regards,
>>
>> Kenn Hussey a écrit :
>>> I was just browsing the EMF Model Search Dev Plan, and I saw nothing
>>> specifically related to search scope. What are your plans (if any)
>>> regarding support for scopes outside the Eclipse workspace? How do you
>>> see the component relating to the OpenSearch
>>> (http://www.opensearch.org/Home), if at all?
>>>
>>> Kenn
>
>
Re: [Search] Development Plan [message #609808 is a reply to message #96966] Tue, 25 September 2007 13:16 Go to previous message
Kenn Hussey is currently offline Kenn HusseyFriend
Messages: 1620
Registered: July 2009
Senior Member
Lucas,

Thanks for the response. My vision was that, once it's possible to store an
EMF-based model in a JCR repository using the JCRM component, it would seem
logical to expose the JCR query API somehow within EMF search... maybe
Sandro has some insight here...

Generally speaking, the scope of a search shouldn't need to be restricted to
the workspace (at least it isn't in enterprise applications). If changes in
the platform UI are required to support this, now would be a good time to
request them, I suppose.

Kenn

"lb" <lucas.bigeardel@anyware-tech.com> wrote in message
news:46F3D3AB.10404@anyware-tech.com...
> Kenn Hussey a
Re: [Search] Development Plan [message #609810 is a reply to message #97364] Tue, 25 September 2007 16:27 Go to previous message
Dave Carlson is currently offline Dave CarlsonFriend
Messages: 402
Registered: July 2009
Senior Member
Related to Kenn's request, but separate from JCR (which I need to look at!),
I would like the search scope to allow library models that are available via
GMF pathmap variables. These are outside of the workspace, but available
via platform URIs. In addition to the UML basic datatype libraries, I also
deploy libraries for HL7 datatypes, ISO datatypes, CCTS datatypes, and
possibly other UML reusable components used in message design. Maybe they
are or should be included when a model being searched has a PackageImport
referencing one or more library models?

Dave

"Kenn Hussey" <Kenn.Hussey@embarcadero.com> wrote in message
news:fdb1mp$c4b$1@build.eclipse.org...
>
> Generally speaking, the scope of a search shouldn't need to be restricted
> to the workspace (at least it isn't in enterprise applications). If
> changes in the platform UI are required to support this, now would be a
> good time to request them, I suppose.
Re: [Search] Development Plan [message #609811 is a reply to message #97364] Tue, 25 September 2007 16:41 Go to previous message
Eclipse UserFriend
Originally posted by: lucas.bigeardel.anyware-tech.com

Kenn Hussey a écrit :

Ok, I suppose a first step would be to post some questions to Sandro ^^

For search scope extensibility, the second step, we would certainly need
to post an RFE against the platform [Search] component but a serious
preliminary work is needed (analysis + patch ?).

I'm pretty busy on other topics at the moment (OCL, Class Diagram, ...)
and have to organize tasks depending on priorities.

regards,

- Lucas

> Lucas,
>
> Thanks for the response. My vision was that, once it's possible to store an
> EMF-based model in a JCR repository using the JCRM component, it would seem
> logical to expose the JCR query API somehow within EMF search... maybe
> Sandro has some insight here...
>
> Generally speaking, the scope of a search shouldn't need to be restricted to
> the workspace (at least it isn't in enterprise applications). If changes in
> the platform UI are required to support this, now would be a good time to
> request them, I suppose.
>
> Kenn
>
> "lb" <lucas.bigeardel@anyware-tech.com> wrote in message
> news:46F3D3AB.10404@anyware-tech.com...
>> Kenn Hussey a écrit :
>>> Lucas,
>>>
>>> Thanks for the reply. I was also wondering whether you've given any
>>> thought to the potential of integrating in some way with the JCR
>>> management component
>>> (http://www.eclipse.org/modeling/emft/?project=jcrm#jcrm). Given that JCR
>>> supports search "out of the box", it would seem natural (at a glance) to
>>> provide a repository search scope that could execute searches via the JCR
>>> (management) APIs...
>>>
>>> Kenn
>> I have no idea about that particular point. Maybe, we could work together
>> on Use Cases and see if it can fit into the current dev plan or to
>> postpone it after ganymede.
>>
>> The main pb I would see concerning adding new *non workspace related*
>> model search scopes would be that it will certainly imply opening RFEs
>> against [Plaform UI Search] component to add scope extensibility
>> mechanism.
>>
>> After that I just would like you to give me some clarifications on what's
>> your vision concerning booth OpenSearch && EMFT JCR uses.
>>
>> I do understand it would introduce a kind of general WWW or J2EE
>> repository based model querying, but I don't really see what could be the
>> best in terms of User Experience on that purposes.
>>
>> I would be more than happy to welcome you on board to imagine together
>> such new query scopes & modes.
>>
>> regards,
>>
>>> "lb" <lucas.bigeardel@anyware-tech.com> wrote in message
>>> news:fcler9$ssq$1@build.eclipse.org...
>>>> Kenn,
>>>>
>>>> It is true that model queries applying on workspace are the only
>>>> supported ones for the moment.
>>>>
>>>> I mentioned a "RCP mode" in the dev plan, that is likely supporting
>>>> queries launching on *any* File System. (RCP ready for [M6 + 2w]
>>>> (Tentative) ...)
>>>>
>>>> Unfortunately I didn't put effort yet neither on research or dev on that
>>>> particular topic. However, I tried to take advantage of generics as much
>>>> as possible to facilitate such integration in future milestones.
>>>>
>>>> I'll take some time to analyze opensearch.org information and find out
>>>> what's can be usefull getting non-workskpace EMFT Search queries mode
>>>> working ASAP.
>>>>
>>>> regards,
>>>>
>>>> Kenn Hussey a écrit :
>>>>> I was just browsing the EMF Model Search Dev Plan, and I saw nothing
>>>>> specifically related to search scope. What are your plans (if any)
>>>>> regarding support for scopes outside the Eclipse workspace? How do you
>>>>> see the component relating to the OpenSearch
>>>>> (http://www.opensearch.org/Home), if at all?
>>>>>
>>>>> Kenn
>
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