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Switching Back to Europa and PDT 1.0.3 [message #94312] Fri, 20 February 2009 18:42 Go to next message
Tim College is currently offline Tim CollegeFriend
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Well, I tried.

This morning, after Ganymede locked up for 5 minutes trying to suggest a
completion for what I was typing...it then wrote the suggestion over the
next 3 lines for some unknown reason.

I've been fighting with this for a while...there are a LOT of features in
PDT2 that I'll miss, but after 5 minutes back with PDT 1.0.3, I gotta say,
there's nothing I'll miss that much. PDT 1 is snappy, suggests things
instantly, and completes PHPDocBlocks correctly.

Anyway...I'll try again when the next all in one is released. Updating
the maintenance builds is a bit iffy for me sometimes...

Good luck to all!

Tim
Re: Switching Back to Europa and PDT 1.0.3 [message #94320 is a reply to message #94312] Fri, 20 February 2009 19:05 Go to previous messageGo to next message
D Kelsey is currently offline D KelseyFriend
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Please raise a bug for this, if there is a bug already outstanding then please vote for it.

Regards
Dave Kelsey

Tim College wrote:
> Well, I tried.
>
> This morning, after Ganymede locked up for 5 minutes trying to suggest a
> completion for what I was typing...it then wrote the suggestion over the
> next 3 lines for some unknown reason.
>
> I've been fighting with this for a while...there are a LOT of features
> in PDT2 that I'll miss, but after 5 minutes back with PDT 1.0.3, I gotta
> say, there's nothing I'll miss that much. PDT 1 is snappy, suggests
> things instantly, and completes PHPDocBlocks correctly.
>
> Anyway...I'll try again when the next all in one is released. Updating
> the maintenance builds is a bit iffy for me sometimes...
>
> Good luck to all!
>
> Tim
>
Re: Switching Back to Europa and PDT 1.0.3 [message #94377 is a reply to message #94312] Sat, 21 February 2009 17:19 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Eclipse UserFriend
Originally posted by: mnm.criion.net

Although I am not switching back just yet, I am with Tim on this one.
The PDT 2.0 is the worst release ever. I am not saying this to
discourage the people who are putting in time and effort to make the
PDT, I thank you guys and girls for that! Without it my day at the
office would with out a doubt be that less fun. All that being said, the
PDT 2.0 is to slow on completion and most of the time it does not work
in projects badly coded. The $this bug is the most noticed. I have
disabled most auto features with has made it much more responsive.

Good luck on PDT 2.1, keep it up people :D
Re: Switching Back to Europa and PDT 1.0.3 [message #94392 is a reply to message #94377] Sat, 21 February 2009 17:37 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Roy Ganor is currently offline Roy GanorFriend
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"The $this bug is the most noticed" - can you elaborate on it (direct me
to an issue in bugzila)

Thanks for cheering ;)
- Roy

Michael N. Madsen wrote:

> Although I am not switching back just yet, I am with Tim on this one.
> The PDT 2.0 is the worst release ever. I am not saying this to
> discourage the people who are putting in time and effort to make the
> PDT, I thank you guys and girls for that! Without it my day at the
> office would with out a doubt be that less fun. All that being said, the
> PDT 2.0 is to slow on completion and most of the time it does not work
> in projects badly coded. The $this bug is the most noticed. I have
> disabled most auto features with has made it much more responsive.

> Good luck on PDT 2.1, keep it up people :D
Re: Switching Back to Europa and PDT 1.0.3 [message #94422 is a reply to message #94377] Sat, 21 February 2009 20:57 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Paul Oehler is currently offline Paul OehlerFriend
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> I have disabled most auto features with has made it much more responsive.

Which auto features specifically have you disabled? I'm trying to decide
as well if I can configure PDT2 to be fast enough to be useful, or switch
back to PDT1. I may stick with it if I can disable features I don't use
anyway.

Thanks,

Paul
Re: Switching Back to Europa and PDT 1.0.3 [message #94451 is a reply to message #94422] Mon, 23 February 2009 07:53 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Eclipse UserFriend
Originally posted by: mnm.criion.net

Mark Occurences and Auto Completion was just about it.. Code Folding was
checked but all the sub-categories was unchecked from get-go. I thought
there were more but I guess not. If I remember other features I'll post
back.
Re: Switching Back to Europa and PDT 1.0.3 [message #94478 is a reply to message #94422] Mon, 23 February 2009 10:21 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Originally posted by: spam.networks.fi

Paul Oehler wrote:
>> I have disabled most auto features with has made it much more responsive.
>
> Which auto features specifically have you disabled? I'm trying to
> decide as well if I can configure PDT2 to be fast enough to be useful,
> or switch back to PDT1. I may stick with it if I can disable features I
> don't use anyway.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Paul
>

I don't mean to be counterproductive or anything, but when i got tired
of slowness of PDT2 and didn't quite like 1.0.3 either, i decided to
give NetBeans 6.5 a try. Now i am quite happy with it.

Maybe sometime in future i check back to PDT and see if there's positive
progress happening.

-jasmo
Re: Switching Back to Europa and PDT 1.0.3 [message #94523 is a reply to message #94320] Mon, 23 February 2009 16:52 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Tim College is currently offline Tim CollegeFriend
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https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=265846

Please help get this fixed!

BTW, I switched to 2.1.0 - I'm going to try that for a week or so. The
speed issues with autocomplete seem to be fixed, so far, but the
overwriting multiple lines issue is still very much present.

Tim
Re: Switching Back to Europa and PDT 1.0.3 [message #94568 is a reply to message #94523] Tue, 24 February 2009 07:57 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Originally posted by: mnm.criion.net

Is 2.1.0 out or is it a nightly/daily...non-release ..... release? :)
Re: Switching Back to Europa and PDT 1.0.3 [message #94582 is a reply to message #94478] Tue, 24 February 2009 21:37 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Eclipse UserFriend
Originally posted by: mnm.criion.net

Maybe so, but I remember back in 2003-5 when netbeans sucked and
produced completly unreliable java compiled files and auto completion
didn't work half the time and so on and on.. PDT 2.1 will probably rival
netbeans once it is released because 2.0 already has so much potential :)

And then I like being the community and the idea, concept of eclipse. If
the few bugs are hindering your productivity, find another IDE. Other
then that it is fun once in a while to be remembered WHY we love eclipse
so much (when it works perfectly).
Re: Switching Back to Europa and PDT 1.0.3 [message #94614 is a reply to message #94568] Thu, 26 February 2009 09:03 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Michael N. Madsen schrieb:
> Is 2.1.0 out or is it a nightly/daily...non-release ..... release? :)

i just moved forward to the galileo release, pdt 2.1.0 on windows and
now some bugs disappeared and the basic completion works again.
there are still some traps, thou, but at least i can work like im used to.
Re: Switching Back to Europa and PDT 1.0.3 [message #94628 is a reply to message #94377] Thu, 26 February 2009 09:05 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Originally posted by: user.domain.invalid

Michael N. Madsen wrote:
> Although I am not switching back just yet, I am with Tim on this one.
> Good luck on PDT 2.1, keep it up people :D


Hi all,

I have to admit too that the experience from 1.0.3 to 2.0 has really
decreased. I didn't notice immediatelly though, because I switched to
2.0 at the same time I changed my main computer from a desktop to a
brand new laptop.

Many things had changed from the desktop to the laptop, first it was
Vista instead of XP, but with still 2 GB of RAM and in the desktop I had
a hardware RAID-0 configuration of two raptor (@10k rpm) disks and the
laptop had just one 7200 rpm disks.

Even after I upgraded to 4GB it didn't really work better.

So, as I like some of the new features of 2.0 I am staying with it, but
it is really a painful experience.

Anyway, I am and will stay a strong advocate of PDT and I tend to show
it and demonstrate it to as much people as I can.

Cheers,

Bruno
Re: Switching Back to Europa and PDT 1.0.3 [message #94699 is a reply to message #94478] Fri, 27 February 2009 10:15 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Originally posted by: mnm.criion.net

I have just given Netbeans 6.5 a try. Firstly the speed is very high on
most if not all tasks. The autocompletion is rapid and the IDE does not
lock up when used.

That being said sftp/ssh is not supported. Some auto/completion issues
like it does not know of classnames if you start typing them.

So yes it does do some things much better then PDT 2.0 but it just does
not feel as mature as PDT. With what many reports on PDT 2.1 sounds like
it will fight off NB 6.5. I am staying for sure.
Re: Switching Back to Europa and PDT 1.0.3 [message #94729 is a reply to message #94523] Fri, 27 February 2009 16:11 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Tim College is currently offline Tim CollegeFriend
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Ugh, back to 1.0.3 for reals this time. 2.1.0 has started throwing
exceptions for some autocompletions, and tells me to disable it by
changing a setting that doesn't exist. Splendid.

I will miss the features...but perhaps in a few months when 2.1 is GA,
it'll be happiness and sunshine once more :)

Tim
Re: Switching Back to Europa and PDT 1.0.3 [message #94742 is a reply to message #94729] Fri, 27 February 2009 20:11 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Tim College schreef:
> Ugh, back to 1.0.3 for reals this time. 2.1.0 has started throwing
> exceptions for some autocompletions, and tells me to disable it by
> changing a setting that doesn't exist. Splendid.
>
> I will miss the features...but perhaps in a few months when 2.1 is GA,
> it'll be happiness and sunshine once more :)
>
> Tim
>
Would 2.0.1 not be a better choice? ( I didn't try yet)
Re: Switching Back to Europa and PDT 1.0.3 [message #97005 is a reply to message #94392] Wed, 06 May 2009 07:39 Go to previous message
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Originally posted by: mnm.criion.net

Ah sorry for not answering Roy, I didn't see your request int here. I
haven't made a bugreport, I don't know where.

I have moved back to 1.0.5 although this also have some of $this bugs.
Sometimes it stops knowing of class members or function. I think this
mostly happens when I am making a new function in a class.

Other things that are weird are class members that are instances of
objects set in the constructor call like this:

private $member;
public __construct(Object $Object) {
$this->member = $Object;
}

Inside the constructor eclipse knows of the functions in that object but
outside of that, any use of that object in the class means I have to
remember or lookup functions.

-michael
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