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Why not an RCP application? [message #7437]

Wed, 27 February 2008 07:05

Michael Keppler

Messages: 164
Registered: July 2009

Senior Member

Hello,

I looked through the mailing list archive but did not find an
explanation for the approach choosen by the Babel project, so please
shed some light on this question: Why did you create a PHP application
for the translation instead of a RCP client, which could be web-enabled
using the RAP project?

My thought is that the current translation web tool is just not suited
to translate lots of strings. It misses essential features like lists
for common translations, cross checking different translations, it can
not be resized to fullscreen and has no keyboard shortcuts. All those
and more things can be done much easier with a RCP app (which could even
reuse the RessourceBundle editor from Sourceforge). The web client would
then just be the same RCP application, but using the Eclipse Rich Ajax
platform
( http://www.eclipse.org/projects/project_summary.php?projecti d=technology.rap).

That way the translator implementation would be easier (than by
scripting), you could give the people more features in shorter time,
leading to better translations (hopefully) and using RAP would also be
good old "eat your own dogfood" style. :)

So has this never been considered or is there some other technical
aspect or project goal which I'm completely missing?

Ciao, Michael

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Re: Why not an RCP application? [message #7448 is a reply to message #7437]

Wed, 27 February 2008 09:46

Thomas Schindl

Messages: 6651
Registered: July 2009

Senior Member

Hi,

I also thought about this :-) but more seriously I'd like to see a
WebService-API provided by Babel this way translation tools could be
written more easily.

I'm not a PHP Guru but providing a WS-API ontop of Java Projects is a
piece of cake if you strucutured your application appropiately.

Tom

Michael Keppler schrieb:
> Hello,
>
> I looked through the mailing list archive but did not find an
> explanation for the approach choosen by the Babel project, so please
> shed some light on this question: Why did you create a PHP application
> for the translation instead of a RCP client, which could be web-enabled
> using the RAP project?
>
> My thought is that the current translation web tool is just not suited
> to translate lots of strings. It misses essential features like lists
> for common translations, cross checking different translations, it can
> not be resized to fullscreen and has no keyboard shortcuts. All those
> and more things can be done much easier with a RCP app (which could even
> reuse the RessourceBundle editor from Sourceforge). The web client would
> then just be the same RCP application, but using the Eclipse Rich Ajax
> platform
> ( http://www.eclipse.org/projects/project_summary.php?projecti d=technology.rap).
>
>
> That way the translator implementation would be easier (than by
> scripting), you could give the people more features in shorter time,
> leading to better translations (hopefully) and using RAP would also be
> good old "eat your own dogfood" style. :)
>
> So has this never been considered or is there some other technical
> aspect or project goal which I'm completely missing?
>
> Ciao, Michael

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Re: Why not an RCP application? [message #7459 is a reply to message #7437]

Wed, 27 February 2008 14:59

Eclipse Webmaster

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Michael Keppler wrote:
> Why did you create a PHP application
> for the translation instead of a RCP client, which could be web-enabled
> using the RAP project?

The answer is simple: we had an initial code contribution for a
PHP/MySQL application. That gave us a big head start.

> My thought is that the current translation web tool is just not suited
> to translate lots of strings.
An RCP/Rap application would have the same problem if the features you
need aren't yet implemented. We can do this with web-based tooling too
-- file a bug!

https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/enter_bug.cgi?product=Babel&am p;component=Server&bug_file_loc=/babel/index.php

> It misses essential features like lists
> for common translations, cross checking different translations, it can
> not be resized to fullscreen and has no keyboard shortcuts.

Some of those enhancement have already been requested via Bugzilla.

Please be patient with us, as we've only started a couple of months ago
and we all have limited time to devote to the project. We're not at a
1.0 level yet, but we'll get there.

Denis

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Re: Why not an RCP application? [message #7470 is a reply to message #7448]

Wed, 27 February 2008 15:01

Eclipse Webmaster

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Tom Schindl wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I also thought about this :-) but more seriously I'd like to see a
> WebService-API provided by Babel this way translation tools could be
> written more easily.

You know the drill -- please file a bug :-)

https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/enter_bug.cgi?product=Babel&am p;component=Server

D.

>
> I'm not a PHP Guru but providing a WS-API ontop of Java Projects is a
> piece of cake if you strucutured your application appropiately.
>
> Tom
>
> Michael Keppler schrieb:
>> Hello,
>>
>> I looked through the mailing list archive but did not find an
>> explanation for the approach choosen by the Babel project, so please
>> shed some light on this question: Why did you create a PHP application
>> for the translation instead of a RCP client, which could be
>> web-enabled using the RAP project?
>>
>> My thought is that the current translation web tool is just not suited
>> to translate lots of strings. It misses essential features like lists
>> for common translations, cross checking different translations, it can
>> not be resized to fullscreen and has no keyboard shortcuts. All those
>> and more things can be done much easier with a RCP app (which could
>> even reuse the RessourceBundle editor from Sourceforge). The web
>> client would then just be the same RCP application, but using the
>> Eclipse Rich Ajax platform
>> ( http://www.eclipse.org/projects/project_summary.php?projecti d=technology.rap).
>>
>>
>> That way the translator implementation would be easier (than by
>> scripting), you could give the people more features in shorter time,
>> leading to better translations (hopefully) and using RAP would also be
>> good old "eat your own dogfood" style. :)
>>
>> So has this never been considered or is there some other technical
>> aspect or project goal which I'm completely missing?
>>
>> Ciao, Michael
>
>

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Re: Why not an RCP application? [message #7480 is a reply to message #7437]

Wed, 27 February 2008 16:15

Bjorn Freeman-Benson

Messages: 334
Registered: July 2009

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Michael,
It's a good idea and I agree with all your statements up to this one:

> you could give the people more features in shorter time,

One reason for building what we did is that the team who built it (Denis
& Gabe) are better at building server-side PHP tools than building
client-side RCP tools.

But don't let that stop you from contributing a client-side tool - I'm
sure that the existing team would be happy to help you by building the
web APIs you need.

- Bjorn

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Re: Why not an RCP application? [message #7491 is a reply to message #7480]

Sat, 01 March 2008 13:59

Werner Keil

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Registered: July 2009

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At least the Message/ResourceBundle Editor, Pascal contributed is a
Eclipse Plugin anyway.

I agree, over time a Server-Side Eclipse part for it similar to e.g. OHF
could be a good idea, if enough people are willing to contribute and use
it. Similar to the OHF server a couple of clients, RCP, Web (PHP or
Java/WTP) and even Mobile would be possible then.

Werner

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Re: Why not an RCP application? [message #7502 is a reply to message #7491]

Sat, 01 March 2008 14:04

Werner Keil

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Registered: July 2009

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btw, Compared to OHF, maybe "Babel Bridge" wouldn't be the best name.
A. too much similarity with e.g. Tower
B. I don't think Eclipse would like similar troubles with the Rolling
Stones, Apple once had with the Beatles ?;-)

> I agree, over time a Server-Side Eclipse part for it similar to e.g. OHF
> could be a good idea, if enough people are willing to contribute and use
> it. Similar to the OHF server a couple of clients, RCP, Web (PHP or
> Java/WTP) and even Mobile would be possible then.
>

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