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| Tales from a frustrated newish Eclipse user [message #707404] |
Mon, 01 August 2011 15:59  |
 afatase
Messages: 4
Registered: August 2011 |
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Hmm. I'm not allowed to post links because I'm new. Therefore, I'll have to hand-mangle the links, all of which are essential to my discussion.
OK, that didn't work. Hmm...I see that BBCode is on. I'll just turn it off...Hmm. No dice. It can't be turned off. Impossible. Is the Eclipse community completely jaded about such impossible UI situations? It would explain some things...
OK, I'll replace "http:" with "wtf!" That'll work.
I'm about to spew some nastiness. Eclipse is seriously getting in the way of my new job, despite the fact that my company tried really hard to pre-configure it for me. Let's start by looking at the documentation. Well, trust me: I've looked at it. Therefore, I need community support:
wtf!//wiki.eclipse.org/Eclipsepedia:Community_Portal -- This page is located here: wtf!//eclipse.org/community/news/eclipsenews.php
Not much to see here. Ah. A link to community.
wtf!//eclipse.org/community/sources.php -- 404 file not found
Hm. OK, let's try wtf!//www.eclipse.org/users. Looks promising, brings me to wtf!//www.eclipse.org/community/portals.php. Of course I look at "Community Sites." Let's see what these sites are:
BIRT Exchange - wtf!//www.birt-exchange.com/
Community site for Java developers to share code, report designs and ideas.
Eclipse Developer Journal - wtf!//eclipse.sys-con.com/
An on-line Eclipse magazine hosted by SYS-Con Media.
Eclipse Mac - wtf!//groups-beta.google.com/group/eclipse-mac/
A virtual user group of Eclipse users who run Eclipse on Mac OS X.
Eclipse Plugins - wtf!//www.eclipse-plugins.info
A registry of Eclipse plug-ins, created by Urbaan.
EclipseSource - wtf!//eclipsesource.com/en/eclipse/
A rich collection of Eclipse resources, provided by EclipseSource. The site includes links to information for beginners, tips and tricks, public workshops, blogs and much more!
Eclipse Wiki - wtf!//wiki.eclipse.org
A wiki with lots of tips, tricks and useful information about Eclipse.
EclipseZone - wtf!//www.eclipsezone.com/
An online community by and for Eclipse users everywhere - hosted by JavaLobby.
IBM developerWorks - Eclipse Resources - wtf!//www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/opensource/top-projects/eclipse.html
IBM's developerWorks hosts a variety of tutorials, articles and related information on Eclipse.
IBM Research - wtf!//www.research.ibm.com/eclipse/
Visit this site to read about Eclipse-related technical projects, programs, workshops and other such activities going on at IBM Research.
improve-technologies - wtf!//www.improve-technologies.com/pages/Java/IDE/Eclipse/index.html
A French language collection of eclipse information and the host to a plug-in directory, articles, tutorials and more!
JavaTools Community - wtf!//community.java.net/javatools/
A gathering place for those interested in Java Development Tools.
So, the only thing on that list that seems even remotely applicable to my situation is wtf!//eclipse.dzone.com/. Now that I'm here, what are my options? Not much. WTF are zones and microzones? Ah. There's a block of forum posts. Let's get to the forums by clicking on one of the posts. Maybe my odyssey is at an end!
Now I see that this DZone thing isn't really about Eclipse very much. It tells me to "Go ahead and say it!", but first I have to somehow create an account. Normally, I'd see a button near the login button called "Create Account," but not in this case. Therefore, I click on the login button, expecting to be redirected to the "create account" page. I guess that's too much to ask for: Instead, I get: "You have entered an invalid username or password. Please press the back button, enter the correct details and try again. Don't forget that the password is case sensitive. Forgotten your password? Click here!"
I open a few tabs in search of ways to hack into that site. I find this link: wtf!//www.dzone.com/links/users/register.html. Ah, HA!
Guess what I see? Error: 404 - Page Not Found
OK, so that whole thing was a dead end. I therefore did a Google search for "Eclipse Forum" and found wtf!//www.eclipse.org/forums/, which led me here, and which forced me to give an email address and create a Bugzilla account for some bizarre reason, after which I had to do the search again to get back to the forum.
Problems with Eclipse? Yes, many, but how about the massive cloud of confusion surrounding Eclipse? All I want to know is how to make it so that Eclipse doesn't tell me stupid things about standard library calls, such as:
Invalid arguments '
Candidates are:
void * memcpy(void *, const void *, ?)
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| Re: Tales from a frustrated newish Eclipse user [message #707416 is a reply to message #707404] |
Mon, 01 August 2011 16:07  |
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Sorry you're having so much trouble. Maybe the website(s) were down when
you were trying this?
For direct help with Eclipse CDT (C/C++) issues, there's a forum
dedicated to that which will be more helpful on your (very last and most
specific) question.
For Eclipse workbench questions, setting it up, etc., this forum here is
the best.
Better luck,
Russ
On 01-Aug-11 09:59, afatase wrote:
> Hmm. I'm not allowed to post links because I'm new. Therefore, I'll have
> to hand-mangle the links, all of which are essential to my discussion.
>
> OK, that didn't work. Hmm...I see that BBCode is on. I'll just turn it
> off...Hmm. No dice. It can't be turned off. Impossible. Is the Eclipse
> community completely jaded about such impossible UI situations? It would
> explain some things...
>
> OK, I'll replace "wtf!" with "wtf!" That'll work.
>
> I'm about to spew some nastiness. Eclipse is seriously getting in the
> way of my new job, despite the fact that my company tried really hard to
> pre-configure it for me. Let's start by looking at the documentation.
> Well, trust me: I've looked at it. Therefore, I need community support:
>
>[snip]
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| Re: Tales from a frustrated newish Eclipse user [message #707503 is a reply to message #707404] |
Mon, 01 August 2011 18:36 |
Eric Rizzo
Messages: 3070
Registered: July 2009 |
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I'll admit up front, it's very hard for me to respond to such a whining
diatribe in a positive way. But I'm gonna try...
I'll go in order of what I think is most important, rather than follow
the ordering of gripes in the original post.
When you first started with Eclipse, did it not occur to you to visit
www.eclipse.org and look around? If that's what you did, I'm not sure
how you missed the multiple paths to the forums:
1) "Users" link at the top "menu" of the main page, which goes to the
page that includes, among other things, a "Forums" link.
2) The top-right quick-access navigation bar with an icon that links to
the forums.
3) The "New to Eclipse?" icon and link right in the center-top of the
page, which has a summary of useful information for new users, including
multiple links to the forums.
Maybe you have some concrete ideas for how to make the forums easier to
find; you certainly didn't express any. If you do, please enter an
enhancement request in Bugzilla in the Foundation > Community > Website
category.
You complain about not being able to post links; that's a simple policy
to help prevent spamming in the forums. Once you've posted a sufficient
number of messages, you'll be able to post links all you want. Don't
whine, please think about why that policy may be in place.
Don't complain here about DZone; it's a separate site that, frankly,
I've never used in 10+ years as an Eclipse user. Complaints about
whatever.com should go to whatever.com. Again, this seems pretty
obvious, even to someone new to the Eclipse community.
Having to create an account to post in the forums is standard practice;
Eclipse forums share the login infrastructure with it's Bugzilla system.
It's a nice arrangement for the many people who participate in both
bug/feature entry and forums. If you have concrete ideas for how the
presentation of that could be improved, again please enter them into
Bugzilla. The Eclipse webmasters are very open to discussing ideas, but
probably not to complaining and whining without positive suggestions.
Finally, it sounds like you have a question about C/C++. As Russell
already pointed out, there's a forum group dedicated to C/C++
development in Eclipse. If you had looked at the "sticky" topics at the
top of the Newcomers forum, you would have known that.
Eric
On 8/1/11 11:59 AM, afatase wrote:
> Hmm. I'm not allowed to post links because I'm new. Therefore, I'll have
> to hand-mangle the links, all of which are essential to my discussion.
>
> OK, that didn't work. Hmm...I see that BBCode is on. I'll just turn it
> off...Hmm. No dice. It can't be turned off. Impossible. Is the Eclipse
> community completely jaded about such impossible UI situations? It would
> explain some things...
>
> OK, I'll replace "wtf!" with "wtf!" That'll work.
>
> I'm about to spew some nastiness. Eclipse is seriously getting in the
> way of my new job, despite the fact that my company tried really hard to
> pre-configure it for me. Let's start by looking at the documentation.
> Well, trust me: I've looked at it. Therefore, I need community support:
>
> wtf!//wiki.eclipse.org/Eclipsepedia:Community_Portal -- This page is
> located here: wtf!//eclipse.org/community/news/eclipsenews.php
>
> Not much to see here. Ah. A link to community.
>
> wtf!//eclipse.org/community/sources.php -- 404 file not found
>
> Hm. OK, let's try wtf!//www.eclipse.org/users. Looks promising, brings
> me to wtf!//www.eclipse.org/community/portals.php. Of course I look at
> "Community Sites." Let's see what these sites are:
>
> BIRT Exchange - wtf!//www.birt-exchange.com/
> Community site for Java developers to share code, report designs and
> ideas. Eclipse Developer Journal - wtf!//eclipse.sys-con.com/
> An on-line Eclipse magazine hosted by SYS-Con Media. Eclipse Mac -
> wtf!//groups-beta.google.com/group/eclipse-mac/
> A virtual user group of Eclipse users who run Eclipse on Mac OS X.
> Eclipse Plugins - wtf!//www.eclipse-plugins.info
> A registry of Eclipse plug-ins, created by Urbaan. EclipseSource -
> wtf!//eclipsesource.com/en/eclipse/
> A rich collection of Eclipse resources, provided by EclipseSource. The
> site includes links to information for beginners, tips and tricks,
> public workshops, blogs and much more! Eclipse Wiki -
> wtf!//wiki.eclipse.org
> A wiki with lots of tips, tricks and useful information about Eclipse.
> EclipseZone - wtf!//www.eclipsezone.com/
> An online community by and for Eclipse users everywhere - hosted by
> JavaLobby. IBM developerWorks - Eclipse Resources -
> wtf!//www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/opensource/top-projects/eclipse.html
> IBM's developerWorks hosts a variety of tutorials, articles and related
> information on Eclipse. IBM Research - wtf!//www.research.ibm.com/eclipse/
> Visit this site to read about Eclipse-related technical projects,
> programs, workshops and other such activities going on at IBM Research.
> improve-technologies -
> wtf!//www.improve-technologies.com/pages/Java/IDE/Eclipse/index.html
> A French language collection of eclipse information and the host to a
> plug-in directory, articles, tutorials and more! JavaTools Community -
> wtf!//community.java.net/javatools/
> A gathering place for those interested in Java Development Tools.
>
> So, the only thing on that list that seems even remotely applicable to
> my situation is wtf!//eclipse.dzone.com/. Now that I'm here, what are my
> options? Not much. WTF are zones and microzones? Ah. There's a block of
> forum posts. Let's get to the forums by clicking on one of the posts.
> Maybe my odyssey is at an end!
>
> Now I see that this DZone thing isn't really about Eclipse very much. It
> tells me to "Go ahead and say it!", but first I have to somehow create
> an account. Normally, I'd see a button near the login button called
> "Create Account," but not in this case. Therefore, I click on the login
> button, expecting to be redirected to the "create account" page. I guess
> that's too much to ask for: Instead, I get: "You have entered an invalid
> username or password. Please press the back button, enter the correct
> details and try again. Don't forget that the password is case sensitive.
> Forgotten your password? Click here!"
>
> I open a few tabs in search of ways to hack into that site. I find this
> link: wtf!//www.dzone.com/links/users/register.html. Ah, HA!
>
> Guess what I see? Error: 404 - Page Not Found
>
> OK, so that whole thing was a dead end. I therefore did a Google search
> for "Eclipse Forum" and found wtf!//www.eclipse.org/forums/, which led
> me here, and which forced me to give an email address and create a
> Bugzilla account for some bizarre reason, after which I had to do the
> search again to get back to the forum.
>
> Problems with Eclipse? Yes, many, but how about the massive cloud of
> confusion surrounding Eclipse? All I want to know is how to make it so
> that Eclipse doesn't tell me stupid things about standard library calls,
> such as:
>
> Invalid arguments '
> Candidates are:
> void * memcpy(void *, const void *, ?)
> '
>
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| Re: Tales from a frustrated newish Eclipse user [message #707543 is a reply to message #707404] |
Mon, 01 August 2011 19:50 |
afatase
Messages: 4
Registered: August 2011 |
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I didn't mean any offense to anyone, except maybe the Webmaster (I've never seen so many dead links on an "official" site) and the Eclipse UI designers.
You seem to have got the impression, Eric, that I'm new to various things other than Eclipse. I've actually been a programmer before the Internet, before Bugzilla, before Eclipse, etc. Most importantly, I'm enough of a programmer to not be coerced into thinking that horrible UI design is something that I should put up with. If you can't see the problems with Eclipse, I hardly know what to say. Well, here are a couple examples, besides my example about how Eclipse always thinks it's right, even when it itself knows that it's wrong.
You're going to tell me that I can tailor the UI as much as I want. I dare you to try to get rid of all dialoges concerning CVS and Git. Yes, I've been through every single project, workspace, menu, window, editor, whatever configuration, and I'm still constantly seeing CVS and Git. I simply don't use those SCM tools, because I have better ones.
Speaking of that, (example #3) Why do I care about projects, workspaces, perspectives, views, etc., etc., etc.? Answer: I don't. The idea is to give the user some basic functionality, then guide that user into enabling features that he/she actually wants.
Am I going to write a Bugzilla bug about this? What would it say? "Complete and utter lack of attention to usability?" Should I post that? I'm ready...
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| Re: Tales from a frustrated newish Eclipse user [message #707556 is a reply to message #707543] |
Mon, 01 August 2011 20:02 |
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On 01-Aug-11 13:50, afatase wrote:
> I didn't mean any offense to anyone, except maybe the Webmaster (I've
> never seen so many dead links on an "official" site) and the Eclipse UI
> designers.
>
> You seem to have got the impression, Eric, that I'm new to various
> things other than Eclipse. I've actually been a programmer before the
> Internet, before Bugzilla, before Eclipse, etc. Most importantly, I'm
> enough of a programmer to not be coerced into thinking that horrible UI
> design is something that I should put up with. If you can't see the
> problems with Eclipse, I hardly know what to say. Well, here are a
> couple examples, besides my example about how Eclipse always thinks it's
> right, even when it itself knows that it's wrong.
>
> You're going to tell me that I can tailor the UI as much as I want. I
> dare you to try to get rid of all dialoges concerning CVS and Git. Yes,
> I've been through every single project, workspace, menu, window, editor,
> whatever configuration, and I'm still constantly seeing CVS and Git. I
> simply don't use those SCM tools, because I have better ones.
>
> Speaking of that, (example #3) Why do I care about projects, workspaces,
> perspectives, views, etc., etc., etc.? Answer: I don't. The idea is to
> give the user some basic functionality, then guide that user into
> enabling features that he/she actually wants.
>
> Am I going to write a Bugzilla bug about this? What would it say?
> "Complete and utter lack of attention to usability?" Should I post that?
> I'm ready...
No, you probably shouldn't go to the trouble. None of us will listen.
I've been an Eclipse user for 6 years. I sometimes still feel like a
newbie, but I can't say I recognize anything of what you have said. I
think what's in your face is that your company is forcing you to use
Eclipse and you don't like it. I get that and I sympathize. Maybe find a
better gig elsewhere?
Otherwise, ask specific questions here and in the CDT forum, use
Bugzilla, don't be a troll and you'll get the best help available from us.
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| Re: Tales from a frustrated newish Eclipse user [message #707566 is a reply to message #707404] |
Mon, 01 August 2011 20:15 |
David Kerber
Messages: 100
Registered: July 2009 |
Senior Member |
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[This followup was posted to eclipse.newcomer and a copy was sent to the
cited author.]
In article <j16hst$583$1@news.eclipse.org>, forums-noreply@eclipse.org
says...
>
> Hmm. I'm not allowed to post links because I'm new. Therefore, I'll have to hand-mangle the links, all of which are essential to my discussion.
>
> OK, that didn't work. Hmm...I see that BBCode is on. I'll just turn it off...Hmm. No dice. It can't be turned off. Impossible. Is the Eclipse community completely jaded about such impossible UI situations? It would explain some things...
>
> OK, I'll replace "wtf!" with "wtf!" That'll work.
>
> I'm about to spew some nastiness. Eclipse is seriously getting in the way of my new job, despite the fact that my company tried really hard to pre-configure it for me. Let's start by looking at the documentation. Well, trust me: I've looked at it. Therefore, I need community support:
Sounds like the configuration that your company set up for your copy of
Eclipse has some serious problems.
>
> wtf!//wiki.eclipse.org/Eclipsepedia:Community_Portal -- This page is located here: wtf!//eclipse.org/community/news/eclipsenews.php
>
> Not much to see here. Ah. A link to community.
>
> wtf!//eclipse.org/community/sources.php -- 404 file not found
>
> Hm. OK, let's try wtf!//www.eclipse.org/users. Looks promising, brings me to wtf!//www.eclipse.org/community/portals.php. Of course I look at "Community Sites." Let's see what these sites are:
>
> BIRT Exchange - wtf!//www.birt-exchange.com/
> Community site for Java developers to share code, report designs and ideas.
> Eclipse Developer Journal - wtf!//eclipse.sys-con.com/
> An on-line Eclipse magazine hosted by SYS-Con Media.
> Eclipse Mac - wtf!//groups-beta.google.com/group/eclipse-mac/
> A virtual user group of Eclipse users who run Eclipse on Mac OS X.
> Eclipse Plugins - wtf!//www.eclipse-plugins.info
> A registry of Eclipse plug-ins, created by Urbaan.
> EclipseSource - wtf!//eclipsesource.com/en/eclipse/
> A rich collection of Eclipse resources, provided by EclipseSource. The site includes links to information for beginners, tips and tricks, public workshops, blogs and much more!
> Eclipse Wiki - wtf!//wiki.eclipse.org
> A wiki with lots of tips, tricks and useful information about Eclipse.
> EclipseZone - wtf!//www.eclipsezone.com/
> An online community by and for Eclipse users everywhere - hosted by JavaLobby.
> IBM developerWorks - Eclipse Resources - wtf!//www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/opensource/top-projects/eclipse.html
> IBM's developerWorks hosts a variety of tutorials, articles and related information on Eclipse.
> IBM Research - wtf!//www.research.ibm.com/eclipse/
> Visit this site to read about Eclipse-related technical projects, programs, workshops and other such activities going on at IBM Research.
> improve-technologies - wtf!//www.improve-technologies.com/pages/Java/IDE/Eclipse/index.html
> A French language collection of eclipse information and the host to a plug-in directory, articles, tutorials and more!
> JavaTools Community - wtf!//community.java.net/javatools/
> A gathering place for those interested in Java Development Tools.
>
> So, the only thing on that list that seems even remotely applicable to my situation is wtf!//eclipse.dzone.com/. Now that I'm here, what are my options? Not much. WTF are zones and microzones? Ah. There's a block of forum posts. Let's get to the forums by clicking on one of the posts. Maybe my odyssey is at an end!
>
> Now I see that this DZone thing isn't really about Eclipse very much. It tells me to "Go ahead and say it!", but first I have to somehow create an account. Normally, I'd see a button near the login button called "Create Account," but not in this case. Therefore, I click on the login button, expecting to be redirected to the "create account" page. I guess that's too much to ask for: Instead, I get: "You have entered an invalid username or password. Please press the
back button, enter the correct details and try again. Don't forget that the password is case sensitive. Forgotten your password? Click here!"
>
> I open a few tabs in search of ways to hack into that site. I find this link: wtf!//www.dzone.com/links/users/register.html. Ah, HA!
>
> Guess what I see? Error: 404 - Page Not Found
I've never used any of those sites for Eclipse support. I only use this
one, but through a newsreader rather than the web-based ones. Much
simpler and cleaner.
>
> OK, so that whole thing was a dead end. I therefore did a Google search for "Eclipse Forum" and found wtf!//www.eclipse.org/forums/, which led me here, and which forced me to give an email address and create a Bugzilla account for some bizarre reason, after which I had to do the search again to get back to the forum.
>
> Problems with Eclipse? Yes, many, but how about the massive cloud of confusion surrounding Eclipse? All I want to know is how to make it so that Eclipse doesn't tell me stupid things about standard library calls, such as:
>
> Invalid arguments '
> Candidates are:
> void * memcpy(void *, const void *, ?)
Try asking this in the CDT forum; I only do Java in Eclipse (which is
its forte).
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| Re: Tales from a frustrated newish Eclipse user [message #707568 is a reply to message #707543] |
Mon, 01 August 2011 20:17 |
David Kerber
Messages: 100
Registered: July 2009 |
Senior Member |
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[This followup was posted to eclipse.newcomer and a copy was sent to the
cited author.]
In article <j16vei$jb6$1@news.eclipse.org>, forums-noreply@eclipse.org
says...
>
> I didn't mean any offense to anyone, except maybe the Webmaster (I've never seen so many dead links on an "official" site) and the Eclipse UI designers.
>
> You seem to have got the impression, Eric, that I'm new to various things other than Eclipse. I've actually been a programmer before the Internet, before Bugzilla, before Eclipse, etc. Most importantly, I'm enough of a programmer to not be coerced into thinking that horrible UI design is something that I should put up with. If you can't see the problems with Eclipse, I hardly know what to say. Well, here are a couple examples, besides my example about how Eclipse
always thinks it's right, even when it itself knows that it's wrong.
>
> You're going to tell me that I can tailor the UI as much as I want. I dare you to try to get rid of all dialoges concerning CVS and Git. Yes, I've been through every single project, workspace, menu, window, editor, whatever configuration, and I'm still constantly seeing CVS and Git. I simply don't use those SCM tools, because I have better ones.
Then remove them. Or ask your company for a configuration that doesn't
have them installed to begin with; they're not in a default Eclipse
installation.
>
> Speaking of that, (example #3) Why do I care about projects, workspaces, perspectives, views, etc., etc., etc.? Answer: I don't. The idea is to give the user some basic functionality, then guide that user into enabling features that he/she actually wants.
>
> Am I going to write a Bugzilla bug about this? What would it say? "Complete and utter lack of attention to usability?" Should I post that? I'm ready...
I'd suggest installing a base Eclipse configuration, and seeing if that
suits you better.
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| (no subject) [message #707707 is a reply to message #707568] |
Tue, 02 August 2011 00:29 |
Wim Jongman
Messages: 423
Registered: July 2009 |
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Hay Afatase,
I agree with you. You should try Netbeans it is way better.
Develop desktop, mobile and web applications with Java, PHP, C/C++ and more.
It runs on Windows, Linux, Mac OS X and Solaris. NetBeans IDE is open-source
and free.
http://www.netbeans.com
Tell them we said hi.
Regards,
Wim
> I'm starting to think that Java programmers are too immature to be able to
joke about coding and stuff. I could make fun of you, but I choose not to.
>
> You guys totally missed my main points in every possible way. I guess I'll
have to get really explicit, as if you're a compiler. Here's the point:
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> It's about the UI being all self-centered and not relatable to outsiders.
That's my Main Point. My side point is that your community is even less
inviting to newcomers than Eclipse itself.
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> Those are my points. I'm not asking for help. I don't need help. I can just
use Emacs or Codewright or whatever, and paste it into Eclipse as needed. Too
bad that I often have to do stuff like that, and too bad that Eclipse even
opens a file in gwrite or something for no reason, like just because it's not
in my "workspace" OR "working set" or "project" or "view" or.......
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| Re: (no subject) [message #707748 is a reply to message #707568] |
Tue, 02 August 2011 02:28 |
afatase
Messages: 4
Registered: August 2011 |
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Wim: Yes, Beans is a great architecture, for what it is. If I am someday assigned to write a big end-user Java client/server app, I'll probably look up EJB and Swing and stuff. However, I can't see that ever happening to me. If it's up to me, I'll probably use Apache, MySQL, PHP, and that's about it. (Note that I'm not a C++ snob. Unlike C and Java programmers, I don't learn to use a hammer and think that I can somehow bang all of reality into place.) I could do that Beans job, but it's very unexciting to me. Thanks anyway 
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| Re: Tales from a frustrated newish Eclipse user [message #708101 is a reply to message #707404] |
Tue, 02 August 2011 13:11 |
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afatase wrote on Mon, 01 August 2011 11:59Hmm. I'm not allowed to post links because I'm new. Therefore, I'll have to hand-mangle the links, all of which are essential to my discussion.
OK, I'll replace "http:" with "wtf!" That'll work.
Indeed, as some have mentioned, newcomers are not permitted to post links, because we've all had our fill of sneakers, viagra, rolex watches, mortgages and foreign spouses.
However, your wtf! scheme was very clever, and you got the message across.
I'm sorry if you've had problems with the Eclipse website. We're always looking at ways to improve it, so I'll skim through your comments to see what I can do. Unfortunately, as you know, we charge you zero dollars for our software, and with the economy being what it is, budgets are really tight.
If you can articulate some concrete, constructive change requests "from a newcomer's perspective" and open bug reports at wtf!bugs.eclipse.org (you already have a Bugzilla ID now) that would be most appreciated.
Thanks for taking the time to submit some feedback, even if it did come across as slightly abrasive.
Denis Roy
Eclipse Webmaster -- webmaster@eclipse.org
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| Re: Tales from a frustrated newish Eclipse user [message #708114 is a reply to message #708101] |
Tue, 02 August 2011 13:15 |
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Whoa! Just how many of these foreign spouses can I get?! Do they have
skills?
On 02-Aug-11 07:11, Denis Roy wrote:
> afatase wrote on Mon, 01 August 2011 11:59
>> Hmm. I'm not allowed to post links because I'm new. Therefore, I'll
>> have to hand-mangle the links, all of which are essential to my
>> discussion.
>>
>> OK, I'll replace "http:" with "wtf!" That'll work.
>
>
> Indeed, as some have mentioned, newcomers are not permitted to post
> links, because we've all had our fill of sneakers, viagra, rolex
> watches, mortgages and foreign spouses.
>
> However, your wtf! scheme was very clever, and you got the message across.
>
> I'm sorry if you've had problems with the Eclipse website. We're always
> looking at ways to improve it, so I'll skim through your comments to see
> what I can do. Unfortunately, as you know, we charge you zero dollars
> for our software, and with the economy being what it is, budgets are
> really tight.
>
> If you can articulate some concrete, constructive change requests "from
> a newcomer's perspective" and open bug reports at wtf!bugs.eclipse.org
> (you already have a Bugzilla ID now) that would be most appreciated.
>
> Thanks for taking the time to submit some feedback, even if it did come
> across as slightly abrasive.
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