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[Announce] Modeling Generics with Ecore [message #63524] Fri, 01 December 2006 14:44 Go to next message
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Originally posted by: merks.ca.ibm.com

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Hi,

Marcelo and I have proposed two long talks related to our activities of
exploiting Java 5.0 in EMF 2.3.

This proposal for the modeling track will explore the changes we are
making (at this very moment and will commit for M4) to model generics
directly in Ecore:

http://eclipsezilla.eclipsecon.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3845

That's right, very soon you'll be able to model generics directly in
Ecore! ;-)

This other proposal for the Java track will detail our experiences with
Java 5.0 in general:

http://eclipsezilla.eclipsecon.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3812

If you are interested in these things, please vote. I've been told that
voting can continue until the selections are made, so if you have
trouble voting after today's submission deadline please let us know and
we'll help ensure that the polls are kept open...


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Hi,<br>
<br>
Marcelo and I have proposed two long talks related to our activities of
exploiting Java 5.0 in EMF 2.3.&nbsp; <br>
<br>
This proposal for the modeling track will explore the changes we are
making (at this very moment and will commit for M4) to model generics
directly in Ecore:<br>
<blockquote><a
href="http://eclipsezilla.eclipsecon.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3845">http://eclipsezilla.eclipsecon.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3845</a><br>
</blockquote>
That's right, very soon you'll be able to model generics directly in
Ecore!&nbsp; ;-)<br>
<br>
This other proposal for the Java track will detail our experiences with
Java 5.0 in general:<br>
<blockquote><a
href="http://eclipsezilla.eclipsecon.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3812">http://eclipsezilla.eclipsecon.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3812</a><br>
</blockquote>
If you are interested in these things, please vote.&nbsp; I've been told
that voting can continue until the selections are made, so if you have
trouble voting after today's submission deadline please let us know and
we'll help ensure that the polls are kept open...<br>
<br>
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Re: [Announce] Modeling Generics with Ecore [message #63546 is a reply to message #63524] Fri, 01 December 2006 17:46 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Eclipse UserFriend
Originally posted by: liam.morley.baesystems.com

One thing that I'd like to do with EMF/java5 is to be able to specify a
return type that is a subclass of a return type specified in a super class.
But I think what might be the most desired thing I'd like to see (as has
already been mentioned) is typesafe lists. No more Eclipse compiler warnings
in the generated code! Ahh, I'm looking forward to it. I'm confused, though-
are we voting for features we want implemented, or are we voting for java5
support in general? Or are we voting for this to be presented at EclipseCon?

Good work, guys, I'm glad that this is on the table. (My boss will be glad
too.)
Liam Morley



"Ed Merks" <merks@ca.ibm.com> wrote in message
news:ekpf59$liq$1@utils.eclipse.org...
Hi,

Marcelo and I have proposed two long talks related to our activities of
exploiting Java 5.0 in EMF 2.3.

This proposal for the modeling track will explore the changes we are making
(at this very moment and will commit for M4) to model generics directly in
Ecore:

http://eclipsezilla.eclipsecon.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3845

That's right, very soon you'll be able to model generics directly in Ecore!
;-)

This other proposal for the Java track will detail our experiences with Java
5.0 in general:

http://eclipsezilla.eclipsecon.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3812

If you are interested in these things, please vote. I've been told that
voting can continue until the selections are made, so if you have trouble
voting after today's submission deadline please let us know and we'll help
ensure that the polls are kept open...
Re: [Announce] Modeling Generics with Ecore [message #63569 is a reply to message #63546] Fri, 01 December 2006 18:20 Go to previous message
Eclipse UserFriend
Originally posted by: merks.ca.ibm.com

Liam,

I'm just asking people interested in the talks to vote for them. It
makes me feel like a politician though. ;-)

I want to be sure I understand the return type issue. You can already
do that for your EOperations but now Java will actually compile them.
We still don't plan to support derived features directly in EMF,
although UML does support that type of thing (which seems to be
increasingly popular with folks) so it may specialize that support now
that generics are available. Note that such specializing of the return
type would only be possible for single valued features because EList<X>
is not related to EList<Y> no matter now X and Y are related.

You can of course vote for bugzillas as well, but why waste a vote on
the Java 5.0 support when we are already doing it. ;-)


Liam Morley wrote:
> One thing that I'd like to do with EMF/java5 is to be able to specify a
> return type that is a subclass of a return type specified in a super class.
> But I think what might be the most desired thing I'd like to see (as has
> already been mentioned) is typesafe lists. No more Eclipse compiler warnings
> in the generated code! Ahh, I'm looking forward to it. I'm confused, though-
> are we voting for features we want implemented, or are we voting for java5
> support in general? Or are we voting for this to be presented at EclipseCon?
>
> Good work, guys, I'm glad that this is on the table. (My boss will be glad
> too.)
> Liam Morley
>
>
>
> "Ed Merks" <merks@ca.ibm.com> wrote in message
> news:ekpf59$liq$1@utils.eclipse.org...
> Hi,
>
> Marcelo and I have proposed two long talks related to our activities of
> exploiting Java 5.0 in EMF 2.3.
>
> This proposal for the modeling track will explore the changes we are making
> (at this very moment and will commit for M4) to model generics directly in
> Ecore:
>
> http://eclipsezilla.eclipsecon.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3845
>
> That's right, very soon you'll be able to model generics directly in Ecore!
> ;-)
>
> This other proposal for the Java track will detail our experiences with Java
> 5.0 in general:
>
> http://eclipsezilla.eclipsecon.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3812
>
> If you are interested in these things, please vote. I've been told that
> voting can continue until the selections are made, so if you have trouble
> voting after today's submission deadline please let us know and we'll help
> ensure that the polls are kept open...
>
>
>
Re: [Announce] Modeling Generics with Ecore [message #596456 is a reply to message #63524] Fri, 01 December 2006 17:46 Go to previous message
Liam Morley is currently offline Liam MorleyFriend
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One thing that I'd like to do with EMF/java5 is to be able to specify a
return type that is a subclass of a return type specified in a super class.
But I think what might be the most desired thing I'd like to see (as has
already been mentioned) is typesafe lists. No more Eclipse compiler warnings
in the generated code! Ahh, I'm looking forward to it. I'm confused, though-
are we voting for features we want implemented, or are we voting for java5
support in general? Or are we voting for this to be presented at EclipseCon?

Good work, guys, I'm glad that this is on the table. (My boss will be glad
too.)
Liam Morley



"Ed Merks" <merks@ca.ibm.com> wrote in message
news:ekpf59$liq$1@utils.eclipse.org...
Hi,

Marcelo and I have proposed two long talks related to our activities of
exploiting Java 5.0 in EMF 2.3.

This proposal for the modeling track will explore the changes we are making
(at this very moment and will commit for M4) to model generics directly in
Ecore:

http://eclipsezilla.eclipsecon.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3845

That's right, very soon you'll be able to model generics directly in Ecore!
;-)

This other proposal for the Java track will detail our experiences with Java
5.0 in general:

http://eclipsezilla.eclipsecon.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3812

If you are interested in these things, please vote. I've been told that
voting can continue until the selections are made, so if you have trouble
voting after today's submission deadline please let us know and we'll help
ensure that the polls are kept open...
Re: [Announce] Modeling Generics with Ecore [message #596462 is a reply to message #63546] Fri, 01 December 2006 18:20 Go to previous message
Ed Merks is currently offline Ed MerksFriend
Messages: 31770
Registered: July 2009
Senior Member
Liam,

I'm just asking people interested in the talks to vote for them. It
makes me feel like a politician though. ;-)

I want to be sure I understand the return type issue. You can already
do that for your EOperations but now Java will actually compile them.
We still don't plan to support derived features directly in EMF,
although UML does support that type of thing (which seems to be
increasingly popular with folks) so it may specialize that support now
that generics are available. Note that such specializing of the return
type would only be possible for single valued features because EList<X>
is not related to EList<Y> no matter now X and Y are related.

You can of course vote for bugzillas as well, but why waste a vote on
the Java 5.0 support when we are already doing it. ;-)


Liam Morley wrote:
> One thing that I'd like to do with EMF/java5 is to be able to specify a
> return type that is a subclass of a return type specified in a super class.
> But I think what might be the most desired thing I'd like to see (as has
> already been mentioned) is typesafe lists. No more Eclipse compiler warnings
> in the generated code! Ahh, I'm looking forward to it. I'm confused, though-
> are we voting for features we want implemented, or are we voting for java5
> support in general? Or are we voting for this to be presented at EclipseCon?
>
> Good work, guys, I'm glad that this is on the table. (My boss will be glad
> too.)
> Liam Morley
>
>
>
> "Ed Merks" <merks@ca.ibm.com> wrote in message
> news:ekpf59$liq$1@utils.eclipse.org...
> Hi,
>
> Marcelo and I have proposed two long talks related to our activities of
> exploiting Java 5.0 in EMF 2.3.
>
> This proposal for the modeling track will explore the changes we are making
> (at this very moment and will commit for M4) to model generics directly in
> Ecore:
>
> http://eclipsezilla.eclipsecon.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3845
>
> That's right, very soon you'll be able to model generics directly in Ecore!
> ;-)
>
> This other proposal for the Java track will detail our experiences with Java
> 5.0 in general:
>
> http://eclipsezilla.eclipsecon.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3812
>
> If you are interested in these things, please vote. I've been told that
> voting can continue until the selections are made, so if you have trouble
> voting after today's submission deadline please let us know and we'll help
> ensure that the polls are kept open...
>
>
>


Ed Merks
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