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Constructive criticism [message #565956] Thu, 27 October 2005 13:03
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Susan sent me this e-mail, where someone suggests improvements to our
website. This individual didn't know about Phoenix, but it was an
interesting exercise to look through the suggestions to see if Phoenix
is on track.

For those of you who want to check up on us, visit The Downloads section is pretty much
complete, as are portions of "membership". The front page, however, is
simple a bogus draft.

> - Navigation: highlight the currently selected menu item, indicate to
> the user where he is

This may or may not make it into Phoenix for 1.0.

> - Navigation: why not do a submenu-like structure for the menu? (When
> clicking community, the local navigation with all resources could be
> placed directly below the global "community" navigation entry.)

This is addressed by Phoenix.

> - Navigation (big change): global navigation horizontally in banner,

This is addressed by Phoenix.

> local navigation on left side as-is and sublocal navigation as-is in
> the frame.

Three levels of nested navigation are available in Phoenix (see
Downloads). Frames are removed in Phoenix.

> - Navigation: why is "home" smaller than the rest of the nav?

This is addressed by Phoenix.

> - Landing page (
> - too much information (actually too much text) on the first page
> - missing overview[1]
> - no clear structuration into subprojects
> - Translations? Planned?

This is addressed by Phoenix.

> And a general issue:
> - Replace all fixed font sizes with relative ones. (10pt->1em) This
> makes the fonts scalable over all platforms and increases accessibility.

This is addressed by Phoenix. We're using em as our unit of measure,
and all fonts are in a CSS. Please see It
is a work in progress.

> About fonts in general: Font sizes are very good for clarifying on
> structure, but small fonts before bigger fonts after big fonts are quite
> irritating (happening on front page in the welcome section).

As per above, we'll be using standard <h1> .. <h6> with appropriate font
sizes and styles throughout the site.

> Extra:
> - Make the pages valid HTML 4.01 (strict).

This is *not* going to happen. If only one or two people authored the
site, we could aim for strict, but we have hundreds of authors with
varying knowledge on web design. For phoenix we are using XHTML 1.0

> Use CSS, drop the frames..

As above.

> [1] This is one of my main issues with the website. A (new) user landing
> on the index page expects some information about eclipse. A general
> overview (why not graphical?!) over the eclipse structure with all the
> projects and what they are would be very helpful. (Don't ask how long it
> took for me to understand what you understand by "Eclipse", "Eclipse
> project", "Eclipse tools" or how "JDT" comes into it..)

I've started a data-driven process by which we define categories (or
groups) for projects based on their topic, so that our userbase need not
understand the Project structure of Eclipse. Please see for a draft. Susan,
I believe this type of view would be useful for the Projects page.

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