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| Eclipse vs. Borland JBuilder [message #55436] |
Thu, 12 June 2003 11:25  |
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Originally posted by: v.niekerk.freeler.nl
Hi,
I have just downloaded JBuilder 9 Personal Edition, and would like to
know with what version of JBuilder Eclipse can be compared, when
speaking of possibilities? Personal, Developer or Enterprise?
Thanks
Huub
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| Re: Eclipse vs. Borland JBuilder [message #55675 is a reply to message #55543] |
Thu, 12 June 2003 14:43  |
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Originally posted by: kduffey.marketron.com
We should note that the WSAD that costs comparative to JBuilder Enterprise
DOES have these features. Eclipse comes with some 60+ plugins. WSAD has over
550 plugins, so you can imagine what they have added. Also, Rational's XDE
has many hundred plugins (so I read) and is yet another "IDE" choice built
upon Eclipse that can be used.
There is at least one, if not two GUI plugins being done right now for
Eclipse. One is free, I think the other may cost money, but I forget to be
honest.
For a direct comparison of the free versoin to the standard version of
JBuilder 8, that may be pretty close. However, Eclipse, IMHO, has a lot more
to offer. It is free, it has a lot more free plugins available and being
written for it, you can easily extend Eclipse, and probably most importantly
it has over 175 vendors behind it, all adding in their own free or
commercial plugins on top of Eclipse. Even more so, there are sub projects
using Eclipse under way. A new one for web specific J2EE development, which
I would be could tie in to the free Eclipse IDE is just starting out. Look
in these newsgroups for the new group, eclipse.webtools. Another kewl
project is Equinox. It aims to add OSGi capable service bundles to the
system, as well as making Eclipse truly dynamic by removing the limitation
of static plugin resolution and deployment. Equinox aims to add runtime
load/unload/reload plugin features, which for dev purposes alone should be
great, and it may remove the need to run a separate workbench to test
plugins. You should be able to reload a plugin you are working on in place
without spawning another workbench, but that I am not 100% sure of. There
are other sub projects of interest as well. Look at all the eclipse. groups
or look on the site to read about them. Join up and help out.
"Johan Compagner" <jcompagner@j-com.nl> wrote in message
news:bcaak8$ckt$1@rogue.oti.com...
> There are no enterprise tools in eclipse itself (then you have to look at
WSAD of IBM)
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> I believe that personal en developer are pretty much the same stuff of
borland
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> the only big difference is that eclipse doesn't have a GUI builder and no
> build in JSP/XML/Servlet support yet.
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> johan
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> "Huub" <v.niekerk@freeler.nl> wrote in message
news:bca6il$8j4$1@rogue.oti.com...
> > Hi,
> >
> > I have just downloaded JBuilder 9 Personal Edition, and would like to
> > know with what version of JBuilder Eclipse can be compared, when
> > speaking of possibilities? Personal, Developer or Enterprise?
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Huub
> >
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| Re: Eclipse vs. Borland JBuilder [message #55836 is a reply to message #55675] |
Thu, 12 June 2003 17:31 |
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Originally posted by: vkyr.nospam-ision.net
Some comments/additions follow here:
> We should note that the WSAD that costs comparative to JBuilder Enterprise
> DOES have these features. Eclipse comes with some 60+ plugins. WSAD has
over
> 550 plugins, so you can imagine what they have added. Also, Rational's XDE
> has many hundred plugins (so I read) and is yet another "IDE" choice built
> upon Eclipse that can be used.
There are some more falling into this category like for example:
- http://www.myeclipseide.com/
- Lomboz
- Sysdeo/JBoss-Ide/... etc.
> There is at least one, if not two GUI plugins being done right now for
> Eclipse. One is free, I think the other may cost money, but I forget to be
> honest.
AFAIK, the useful looking pieces are moving all towards commercial versions.
> For a direct comparison of the free versoin to the standard version of
> JBuilder 8, that may be pretty close.
Well, that's outdated now, I use since three weeks the final JB9 Ent., JB9
offers some more capabilities through out all of it's available SKUs. Also
as the initial poster indicated, the free JB9 personal has been now
available for downloads. So I think JB9 Personal/Dev is now somehow closer
to Eclipse +/- some little things.
> However, Eclipse, IMHO, has a lot more
> to offer. It is free, it has a lot more free plugins available and being
Well, for JB there are also more than 337 OpenTools available, beside
commercial third party tools. So all in all there isn't much difference here
between JB, Eclipse and possibly some of the others like Netbeans and IDEA.
> written for it, you can easily extend Eclipse, and probably most
importantly
> it has over 175 vendors behind it, all adding in their own free or
> commercial plugins on top of Eclipse. Even more so, there are sub projects
> using Eclipse under way. A new one for web specific J2EE development,
which
> I would be could tie in to the free Eclipse IDE is just starting out. Look
> in these newsgroups for the new group, eclipse.webtools. Another kewl
> project is Equinox. It aims to add OSGi capable service bundles to the
> system, as well as making Eclipse truly dynamic by removing the limitation
> of static plugin resolution and deployment. Equinox aims to add runtime
> load/unload/reload plugin features, which for dev purposes alone should be
> great, and it may remove the need to run a separate workbench to test
> plugins. You should be able to reload a plugin you are working on in place
> without spawning another workbench, but that I am not 100% sure of. There
> are other sub projects of interest as well. Look at all the eclipse.
groups
> or look on the site to read about them. Join up and help out.
>
IMO, the big Eclipse benefit is it's open source character and some of the
fresh new or ...lets better say... improved conceptual design ideas behind
it. You can dig into it's sources, which sometimes is the only way to
understand the concepts behind an IDE/Open environment. - However, even
Eclipse is very powerful, it's often not so intuitively and easily to use
than some of the other more modern RAD UI oriented IDEs (namely JB and
IDEA). But after some learning phase (as with every other complex
development environment too...) and knowing of it's hidden
goodies/productivity features, Eclipse offers a good and strong dev
environment.
-vkyr
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| Re: Eclipse vs. Borland JBuilder [message #69688 is a reply to message #55436] |
Sun, 29 June 2003 16:02 |
| Eclipse User |
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Originally posted by: heffelf.nospam.yahoo.com
On Thu, 12 Jun 2003 17:25:12 +0200, Huub wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I have just downloaded JBuilder 9 Personal Edition, and would like to
> know with what version of JBuilder Eclipse can be compared, when
> speaking of possibilities? Personal, Developer or Enterprise?
>
> Thanks
>
> Huub
I know this thread is kind of old, but I would like to add my opinion on
this.
The one problem I see with JBuilder Enterprise (I have no experience with
the other editions) is that it is *very* resource intensive.
I have seen JBuilder take 20+ minutes to do a build, and
Eclipse take under 10 seconds to do the exact same build on the same
hardware. JBuilder might be a fine IDE, but it requires
a fast CPU and a lot of memory to be able to use it productively.
The one advantage I see JBuilder has over Eclipse for J2EE
development is the ability of generating CMP Entity Beans
from database tables, but I've read there is an open source
tool called Middlegen that can do the same thing. Even if
this wasn't the case, just that one advantage does not justify
the price tag of JBuilder Enterprise.
Eclipse with the Lomboz plugin provides everything we need for
J2EE development, except for the aforementioned "nice to have".
David
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