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Why is PDT 2 worse than PDT 1? [message #534598]

Wed, 19 May 2010 11:47

Eclipse User

I use eclipse PDT 1.x daily, and have done so for the last couple of years, when PDT2 first came out I was quick to upgrade and try it out.. Unfortunately I found the code hinting/assist to be much slower and inconsistent/unreliable most of the time, so i thought okay, must be a bad first release, and went back to PDT1 for the time being.

The other day, I decided to give PDT2 another chance and was once again annoyed to find its still horrendously slow with terrible code hinting/assist in comparison to PDT 1.. what gives?! It feels like Im using a different editor!

And Ive tried this on both my home and work pc, both of which should be more than capable of running it (AMD 64bit 4200x2, 2gig RAM). Im also pretty sure its not eclipse responsible, as ive run PDT 1 on the latest eclipse with no problems

Re: Why is PDT 2 worse than PDT 1? [message #534609 is a reply to message #534598]

Wed, 19 May 2010 11:59

Eclipse User

Admittedly I'm a newb. I find PDT 2 to be a bit clunky and it doesn't feel ready for prime time. I don't know if it was something I did during the install process, but running with the debugger appears to lock constantly, running a debug begins to pop errors within eclipse, and at other times, it is so slow to type, that it can hang for more than 2 minutes (just trying to type).

In most cases I have to shut down and do a -clean. Is PDT 1 that much cleaner?

Re: Why is PDT 2 worse than PDT 1? [message #534611 is a reply to message #534598]

Wed, 19 May 2010 12:05

Eclipse User

may I ask if you used Eclipse PDT 2.2 already?

PDT 2 was delivered 1.5 years ago...

http://www.eclipse.org/pdt/downloads/

anyway, thanks for sharing,
Roy

Re: Why is PDT 2 worse than PDT 1? [message #534617 is a reply to message #534609]

Wed, 19 May 2010 12:13

Eclipse User

Roy: This is a fresh install, from the pdt site a week or two ago (ive been trying to give it a chance)

Jason: I havent had debugging problems in either but here are my perceived differences:

code hinting for custom classes
PDT 1: if method has correct phpdoc (i.e. @return Business) - INSTANT
PDT 2: If method has correct phpdoc - 2 or 3 seconds if (and thats a big if!) it picks up on it at all! Interestingly, it now occasionally picks up on the code hinting in places i know pdt 1 wont (i.e. in views), so it makes me wonder if theyve completely rewritten how the code assist engine works for pdt 2?

and yes, i get that occasional temporary lock up in pdt 2 every now and then (garbage collecting?)

ive tried the eclipse performance tweaking articles to allow eclipse to use more ram and stuff, doesnt really make much difference tbh

[Updated on: Wed, 19 May 2010 12:37] by Moderator

Re: Why is PDT 2 worse than PDT 1? [message #534661 is a reply to message #534617]

Wed, 19 May 2010 14:40

Eclipse User

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Hi Matt,

>=20
> code hinting for custom classes
> PDT 1: if method has correct phpdoc (i.e. @return Business) - INSTANT
> PDT 2: If method has correct phpdoc - 2 or 3 seconds if (and thats a bi=
g
> if!) it picks up on it at all! Interestingly, it now occasionally picks=

> up on the code hinting in places i know pdt 1 wont (i.e. in views), so
> it makes me wonder if theyve completely rewritten how the code assist
> engine works for pdt 2?
>=20

Pls look at this:
https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=3D293333

The performance is better after H2 indexer was inmplemented, but it's sti=
ll slow ;(

Only one thing which I can recommend for you is exclude all dirs and file=
s ( which aren't really necessary ) from build path.

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Re: Why is PDT 2 worse than PDT 1? [message #534662 is a reply to message #534617]

Wed, 19 May 2010 15:06

Eclipse User

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Hi Matt,

Pls look at this bug:
https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=3D293333

The performance is better after H2 indexer was implemented, but it's stil=
l slow ;(

Only one thing, which I can recommend for you, is exclude all dirs and fi=
les ( which aren't really necessary ) from build path.

>=20
> code hinting for custom classes
> PDT 1: if method has correct phpdoc (i.e. @return Business) - INSTANT
> PDT 2: If method has correct phpdoc - 2 or 3 seconds if (and thats a bi=
g
> if!) it picks up on it at all! Interestingly, it now occasionally picks=

> up on the code hinting in places i know pdt 1 wont (i.e. in views), so
> it makes me wonder if theyve completely rewritten how the code assist
> engine works for pdt 2?
>=20

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Re: Why is PDT 2 worse than PDT 1? [message #534664 is a reply to message #534611]

Wed, 19 May 2010 15:22

Eclipse User

Holy Crap. Is this true. If I go to Installed Software and look at Eclipse IDE for PHP Developers, it states the version as 1.2.2.2100216-1730. Id is epp.package.php.

I swore I was on 2.2 but an upgrade is in order. If I'm looking at the wrong place for version, please let me know.

Thanks

Re: Why is PDT 2 worse than PDT 1? [message #534666 is a reply to message #534664]

Wed, 19 May 2010 15:25

Eclipse User

Upon further review, there appears to be some differences in version. How exactly can one go about finding out the exact version of PDT one is running.

Thanks
Jason

Re: Why is PDT 2 worse than PDT 1? [message #534672 is a reply to message #534598]

Wed, 19 May 2010 15:36

Eclipse User

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Hi Matt,

Pls look at this bug:
https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=3D293333

The performance is better after H2 indexer was implemented, but it's stil=
l slow ;(

Only one thing, which I can recommend for you, is exclude all dirs and fi=
les ( which aren't really necessary ) from build path.

>=20
> The other day, I decided to give PDT2 another chance and was once again=

> annoyed to find its still horrendously slow with terrible code
> hinting/assist in comparison to PDT 1.. what gives?! It feels like Im
> using a different editor!
>=20
> And Ive tried this on both my home and work pc, both of which should be=

> more than capable of running it (AMD 64bit 4200x2, 2gig RAM). Im also
> pretty sure its not eclipse responsible, as ive run PDT 1 on the latest=

> eclipse with no problems
>=20

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Re: Why is PDT 2 worse than PDT 1? [message #534741 is a reply to message #534672]

Thu, 20 May 2010 04:29

Eclipse User

thanks but the link doesnt work?

another thing thats not as good in pdt 2, is it'll only bring up the tooltip with the method parameters in if when you're mid typing the method, you hit control space, which is next to useless if you're coming back to add parameters to a function as you would have to type the whole thing out again to get the tooltip suggestions

in pdt 1, all you have to do is type the opening bracket of the method, or type a comma to insert a new parameter and the suggestions will auto come up.

[Updated on: Thu, 20 May 2010 04:34] by Moderator

Re: Why is PDT 2 worse than PDT 1? [message #534812 is a reply to message #534741]

Thu, 20 May 2010 08:18

Eclipse User

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it wokrs without problems

On 20. 5. 2010 10:29, Matt wrote:
> thanks but the link doesnt work?

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Re: Why is PDT 2 worse than PDT 1? [message #534924 is a reply to message #534812]

Thu, 20 May 2010 12:18

Eclipse User

"'3D293333' is not a valid bug number."

Re: Why is PDT 2 worse than PDT 1? [message #534926 is a reply to message #534812]

Thu, 20 May 2010 12:21

Eclipse User

without problems - lucky you ;)

I check the project frequently for updates - I had the luck, some time
ago, to grab a 2.2 version that runs - acceptable. Newer updates brake
the debugger, syntax highlighting or throw strange java errors (known
errors..) - time comes closer to the announced stable release - let's
not give up the hope and - I am not going to buy zend studio :P

Am 20.05.2010 07:18, schrieb sNop:
> it wokrs without problems
>
> On 20. 5. 2010 10:29, Matt wrote:
>> thanks but the link doesnt work?
>

Re: Why is PDT 2 worse than PDT 1? [message #535540 is a reply to message #534926]

Mon, 24 May 2010 07:12

Eclipse User

also i get MASSIVE amounts of type lag if the file is more than a few thousand lines log, no matter what/where im typing

Re: Why is PDT 2 worse than PDT 1? [message #537103 is a reply to message #534617]

Tue, 01 June 2010 06:50

Eclipse User

I was experiencing the same problems with docblocks:- delays and also function docblocks being doubly-nested and not picking up parameters.

Found it when moving from PDT1 to PDT2.2 to evaluate the changes in 2.2 -- but found the solution.

Removed my project from Eclipse (DON'T DELETE THE FILES); then deleted the .project and .buildpath files from the folder on the hard disk; then create a new project in PDT with the same name...

Ta da! Now works

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