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[teneo] delete help for newbie [message #500923] Mon, 30 November 2009 10:29 Go to next message
Allon Moritz is currently offline Allon MoritzFriend
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I know this topic is addressed many times but I still have no luck.
In my model I have a price category which can have sub price categories as children...when I create a subcategory and then try to delete it, I get the following exception:
Quote:
Unable to determine collection owner identifier for orphan-delete processing


can somebody give me a hint how to solve this....thanks!
Re: [teneo] delete help for newbie [message #500939 is a reply to message #500923] Mon, 30 November 2009 11:42 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Martin Taal is currently offline Martin TaalFriend
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Hi Allon,
To get some more info, can you print the complete stacktrace and a code snippet which does the delete?

gr. Martin

Allon Moritz wrote:
> I know this topic is addressed many times but I still have no luck.
> In my model I have a price category which can have sub price categories
> as children...when I create a subcategory and then try to delete it, I
> get the following exception:
> Quote:
>> Unable to determine collection owner identifier for orphan-delete
>> processing
>
>
> can somebody give me a hint how to solve this....thanks!


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Re: [teneo] delete help for newbie [message #501062 is a reply to message #500939] Mon, 30 November 2009 20:45 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I have attached the ecore model file as well....I'm quite desperate because from my point of view the model is a very standard one....

here is the code snippet (I figured out that the parent of the productcategory is never set, no clue why, so it will always try to remove the object from the resource)
for (EObject obj : selectedObjects) {
			if (obj instanceof ProductCategory) {
				ProductCategory p = (ProductCategory) obj;
				if (p.getParent() == null)
					DBFactory.getProductsResource().getContents().remove(p);
				else
					p.getParent().getSubCategorys().remove(p);
			}
		}

and here is the code how I load the resource
ORDERS_RESOURCE = (HibernateResource) resourceSet
					.createResource(URI.createURI("hibernate://?"
							+ HibernateResource.SESSION_CONTROLLER_PARAM
							+ "=ShopDB&query1=FROM Order "));
			ORDERS_RESOURCE.load(Collections.EMPTY_MAP);


and here the stack trace
Quote:

org.hibernate.AssertionFailure: Unable to determine collection owner identifier for orphan-delete processing
at org.hibernate.engine.Collections.processDereferencedCollecti on(Collections.java:101)
at org.hibernate.engine.Collections.processUnreachableCollectio n(Collections.java:62)
at org.hibernate.event.def.AbstractFlushingEventListener.flushC ollections(AbstractFlushingEventListener.java:241)
at org.hibernate.event.def.AbstractFlushingEventListener.flushE verythingToExecutions(AbstractFlushingEventListener.java:100 )
at org.hibernate.event.def.DefaultFlushEventListener.onFlush(De faultFlushEventListener.java:49)
at org.hibernate.impl.SessionImpl.flush(SessionImpl.java:1028)
at org.hibernate.impl.SessionImpl.managedFlush(SessionImpl.java :366)
at org.hibernate.transaction.JDBCTransaction.commit(JDBCTransac tion.java:137)
at org.eclipse.emf.teneo.hibernate.HbSessionWrapper.commitTrans action(HbSessionWrapper.java:84)
at com.test.core.DBFactory$ResourceSaver.notifyChanged(DBFactor y.java:142)
at org.eclipse.emf.common.notify.impl.BasicNotifierImpl.eNotify (BasicNotifierImpl.java:280)
at org.eclipse.emf.common.notify.impl.NotificationImpl.dispatch (NotificationImpl.java:1033)
at org.eclipse.emf.common.notify.impl.DelegatingNotifyingListIm pl.remove(DelegatingNotifyingListImpl.java:709)
at org.eclipse.emf.common.util.DelegatingEList.remove(Delegatin gEList.java:506)
at com.test.ui.actions.DeleteProductCategoryAction.run(DeletePr oductCategoryAction.java:22)
at com.test.ui.actions.EObjectAction.run(EObjectAction.java:81)
at org.eclipse.ui.internal.PluginAction.runWithEvent(PluginActi on.java:251)
at org.eclipse.jface.action.ActionContributionItem.handleWidget Selection(ActionContributionItem.java:584)
at org.eclipse.jface.action.ActionContributionItem.access$2(Act ionContributionItem.java:501)
at org.eclipse.jface.action.ActionContributionItem$5.handleEven t(ActionContributionItem.java:411)
at org.eclipse.swt.widgets.EventTable.sendEvent(EventTable.java :84)
at org.eclipse.swt.widgets.Widget.sendEvent(Widget.java:1003)
at org.eclipse.swt.widgets.Display.runDeferredEvents(Display.ja va:3880)
at org.eclipse.swt.widgets.Display.readAndDispatch(Display.java :3473)
at org.eclipse.ui.internal.Workbench.runEventLoop(Workbench.jav a:2405)
at org.eclipse.ui.internal.Workbench.runUI(Workbench.java:2369)
at org.eclipse.ui.internal.Workbench.access$4(Workbench.java:22 21)
at org.eclipse.ui.internal.Workbench$5.run(Workbench.java:500)
at org.eclipse.core.databinding.observable.Realm.runWithDefault (Realm.java:332)
at org.eclipse.ui.internal.Workbench.createAndRunWorkbench(Work bench.java:493)
at org.eclipse.ui.PlatformUI.createAndRunWorkbench(PlatformUI.j ava:149)
at com.test.ui.Application.start(Application.java:20)
at org.eclipse.equinox.internal.app.EclipseAppHandle.run(Eclips eAppHandle.java:194)
at org.eclipse.core.runtime.internal.adaptor.EclipseAppLauncher .runApplication(EclipseAppLauncher.java:110)
at org.eclipse.core.runtime.internal.adaptor.EclipseAppLauncher .start(EclipseAppLauncher.java:79)
at org.eclipse.core.runtime.adaptor.EclipseStarter.run(EclipseS tarter.java:368)
at org.eclipse.core.runtime.adaptor.EclipseStarter.run(EclipseS tarter.java:179)
at sun.reflect.NativeMethodAccessorImpl.invoke0(Native Method)
at sun.reflect.NativeMethodAccessorImpl.invoke(Unknown Source)
at sun.reflect.DelegatingMethodAccessorImpl.invoke(Unknown Source)
at java.lang.reflect.Method.invoke(Unknown Source)
at org.eclipse.equinox.launcher.Main.invokeFramework(Main.java: 559)
at org.eclipse.equinox.launcher.Main.basicRun(Main.java:514)
at org.eclipse.equinox.launcher.Main.run(Main.java:1311)
at org.eclipse.equinox.launcher.Main.main(Main.java:1287)

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Re: [teneo] delete help for newbie [message #501065 is a reply to message #501062] Mon, 30 November 2009 20:49 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I couldn't attach a file so here is my plain ecore file
<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>
<ecore:EPackage xmi:version="2.0"
    xmlns:xmi="http://www.omg.org/XMI" xmlns:xsi="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema-instance"
    xmlns:ecore="http://www.eclipse.org/emf/2002/Ecore" name="shop"
    nsURI="http://shop" nsPrefix="shop">
  <eClassifiers xsi:type="ecore:EClass" name="Product">
    <eStructuralFeatures xsi:type="ecore:EAttribute" name="name" eType="ecore:EDataType http://www.eclipse.org/emf/2002/Ecore#//EString"/>
    <eStructuralFeatures xsi:type="ecore:EAttribute" name="number" eType="ecore:EDataType http://www.eclipse.org/emf/2002/Ecore#//EIntegerObject"/>
    <eStructuralFeatures xsi:type="ecore:EAttribute" name="description" eType="ecore:EDataType http://www.eclipse.org/emf/2002/Ecore#//EString"/>
    <eStructuralFeatures xsi:type="ecore:EReference" name="productCategory" eType="#//ProductCategory"
        eOpposite="#//ProductCategory/products"/>
    <eStructuralFeatures xsi:type="ecore:EReference" name="priceCategory" eType="#//PriceCategory"/>
  </eClassifiers>
  <eClassifiers xsi:type="ecore:EClass" name="Customer">
    <eStructuralFeatures xsi:type="ecore:EAttribute" name="surname" eType="ecore:EDataType http://www.eclipse.org/emf/2002/Ecore#//EString"/>
    <eStructuralFeatures xsi:type="ecore:EAttribute" name="familyName" eType="ecore:EDataType http://www.eclipse.org/emf/2002/Ecore#//EString"/>
    <eStructuralFeatures xsi:type="ecore:EAttribute" name="telephoneNr" eType="ecore:EDataType http://www.eclipse.org/emf/2002/Ecore#//EString"/>
    <eStructuralFeatures xsi:type="ecore:EAttribute" name="address" eType="ecore:EDataType http://www.eclipse.org/emf/2002/Ecore#//EString"/>
    <eStructuralFeatures xsi:type="ecore:EAttribute" name="hotel" eType="ecore:EDataType http://www.eclipse.org/emf/2002/Ecore#//EString"/>
    <eStructuralFeatures xsi:type="ecore:EAttribute" name="comments" upperBound="-1"
        eType="ecore:EDataType http://www.eclipse.org/emf/2002/Ecore#//EString"/>
  </eClassifiers>
  <eClassifiers xsi:type="ecore:EClass" name="ProductCategory">
    <eStructuralFeatures xsi:type="ecore:EAttribute" name="name" eType="ecore:EDataType http://www.eclipse.org/emf/2002/Ecore#//EString"/>
    <eStructuralFeatures xsi:type="ecore:EReference" name="products" upperBound="-1"
        eType="#//Product" containment="true" eOpposite="#//Product/productCategory"/>
    <eStructuralFeatures xsi:type="ecore:EReference" name="subCategorys" upperBound="-1"
        eType="#//ProductCategory" containment="true" eOpposite="#//ProductCategory/parent"/>
    <eStructuralFeatures xsi:type="ecore:EReference" name="parent" eType="#//ProductCategory"
        eOpposite="#//ProductCategory/subCategorys"/>
  </eClassifiers>
  <eClassifiers xsi:type="ecore:EClass" name="PriceCategory">
    <eStructuralFeatures xsi:type="ecore:EAttribute" name="name" eType="ecore:EDataType http://www.eclipse.org/emf/2002/Ecore#//EString"
        iD="true"/>
    <eStructuralFeatures xsi:type="ecore:EAttribute" name="prices" unique="false"
        upperBound="-1" eType="ecore:EDataType http://www.eclipse.org/emf/2002/Ecore#//EDouble"/>
  </eClassifiers>
  <eClassifiers xsi:type="ecore:EClass" name="Order">
    <eStructuralFeatures xsi:type="ecore:EAttribute" name="number" eType="ecore:EDataType http://www.eclipse.org/emf/2002/Ecore#//EString"
        defaultValueLiteral=""/>
    <eStructuralFeatures xsi:type="ecore:EReference" name="transactions" upperBound="-1"
        eType="#//Transaction" containment="true" eOpposite="#//Transaction/order"/>
    <eStructuralFeatures xsi:type="ecore:EReference" name="customer" eType="#//Customer"
        resolveProxies="false"/>
    <eStructuralFeatures xsi:type="ecore:EAttribute" name="comments" upperBound="-1"
        eType="ecore:EDataType http://www.eclipse.org/emf/2002/Ecore#//EString"/>
  </eClassifiers>
  <eClassifiers xsi:type="ecore:EClass" name="Transaction">
    <eStructuralFeatures xsi:type="ecore:EAttribute" name="number" eType="ecore:EDataType http://www.eclipse.org/emf/2002/Ecore#//EString"/>
    <eStructuralFeatures xsi:type="ecore:EReference" name="order" eType="#//Order"
        eOpposite="#//Order/transactions"/>
    <eStructuralFeatures xsi:type="ecore:EReference" name="product" eType="#//Product"/>
    <eStructuralFeatures xsi:type="ecore:EAttribute" name="startDate" eType="ecore:EDataType http://www.eclipse.org/emf/2002/Ecore#//EDate"/>
    <eStructuralFeatures xsi:type="ecore:EAttribute" name="endDate" eType="ecore:EDataType http://www.eclipse.org/emf/2002/Ecore#//EDate"/>
    <eStructuralFeatures xsi:type="ecore:EAttribute" name="price" eType="ecore:EDataType http://www.eclipse.org/emf/2002/Ecore#//EDouble"/>
    <eStructuralFeatures xsi:type="ecore:EAttribute" name="paidDate" eType="ecore:EDataType http://www.eclipse.org/emf/2002/Ecore#//EDate"/>
  </eClassifiers>
</ecore:EPackage>

Re: [teneo] delete help for newbie [message #501070 is a reply to message #501065] Mon, 30 November 2009 21:18 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Martin Taal is currently offline Martin TaalFriend
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Hi Allon,
It fails when handling a collection which has orphan-delete, which is probably a containment=true ereference. It fails
because the owner of the collection does not have an id set.
What options/properties do you set when initializing the datastore?

I will probably test this tomorrow morning (Central European Time). Can you export your database to xml and send it to
me? The datastore has an exportdatastore method to export the complete database.

gr. Martin

Allon Moritz wrote:
> I couldn't attach a file so here is my plain ecore file
>
> <?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>
> <ecore:EPackage xmi:version="2.0"
> xmlns:xmi="http://www.omg.org/XMI"
> xmlns:xsi="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema-instance"
> xmlns:ecore="http://www.eclipse.org/emf/2002/Ecore" name="shop"
> nsURI="http://shop" nsPrefix="shop">
> <eClassifiers xsi:type="ecore:EClass" name="Product">
> <eStructuralFeatures xsi:type="ecore:EAttribute" name="name"
> eType="ecore:EDataType http://www.eclipse.org/emf/2002/Ecore#//EString"/>
> <eStructuralFeatures xsi:type="ecore:EAttribute" name="number"
> eType="ecore:EDataType
> http://www.eclipse.org/emf/2002/Ecore#//EIntegerObject"/>
> <eStructuralFeatures xsi:type="ecore:EAttribute" name="description"
> eType="ecore:EDataType http://www.eclipse.org/emf/2002/Ecore#//EString"/>
> <eStructuralFeatures xsi:type="ecore:EReference"
> name="productCategory" eType="#//ProductCategory"
> eOpposite="#//ProductCategory/products"/>
> <eStructuralFeatures xsi:type="ecore:EReference" name="priceCategory"
> eType="#//PriceCategory"/>
> </eClassifiers>
> <eClassifiers xsi:type="ecore:EClass" name="Customer">
> <eStructuralFeatures xsi:type="ecore:EAttribute" name="surname"
> eType="ecore:EDataType http://www.eclipse.org/emf/2002/Ecore#//EString"/>
> <eStructuralFeatures xsi:type="ecore:EAttribute" name="familyName"
> eType="ecore:EDataType http://www.eclipse.org/emf/2002/Ecore#//EString"/>
> <eStructuralFeatures xsi:type="ecore:EAttribute" name="telephoneNr"
> eType="ecore:EDataType http://www.eclipse.org/emf/2002/Ecore#//EString"/>
> <eStructuralFeatures xsi:type="ecore:EAttribute" name="address"
> eType="ecore:EDataType http://www.eclipse.org/emf/2002/Ecore#//EString"/>
> <eStructuralFeatures xsi:type="ecore:EAttribute" name="hotel"
> eType="ecore:EDataType http://www.eclipse.org/emf/2002/Ecore#//EString"/>
> <eStructuralFeatures xsi:type="ecore:EAttribute" name="comments"
> upperBound="-1"
> eType="ecore:EDataType
> http://www.eclipse.org/emf/2002/Ecore#//EString"/>
> </eClassifiers>
> <eClassifiers xsi:type="ecore:EClass" name="ProductCategory">
> <eStructuralFeatures xsi:type="ecore:EAttribute" name="name"
> eType="ecore:EDataType http://www.eclipse.org/emf/2002/Ecore#//EString"/>
> <eStructuralFeatures xsi:type="ecore:EReference" name="products"
> upperBound="-1"
> eType="#//Product" containment="true"
> eOpposite="#//Product/productCategory"/>
> <eStructuralFeatures xsi:type="ecore:EReference" name="subCategorys"
> upperBound="-1"
> eType="#//ProductCategory" containment="true"
> eOpposite="#//ProductCategory/parent"/>
> <eStructuralFeatures xsi:type="ecore:EReference" name="parent"
> eType="#//ProductCategory"
> eOpposite="#//ProductCategory/subCategorys"/>
> </eClassifiers>
> <eClassifiers xsi:type="ecore:EClass" name="PriceCategory">
> <eStructuralFeatures xsi:type="ecore:EAttribute" name="name"
> eType="ecore:EDataType http://www.eclipse.org/emf/2002/Ecore#//EString"
> iD="true"/>
> <eStructuralFeatures xsi:type="ecore:EAttribute" name="prices"
> unique="false"
> upperBound="-1" eType="ecore:EDataType
> http://www.eclipse.org/emf/2002/Ecore#//EDouble"/>
> </eClassifiers>
> <eClassifiers xsi:type="ecore:EClass" name="Order">
> <eStructuralFeatures xsi:type="ecore:EAttribute" name="number"
> eType="ecore:EDataType http://www.eclipse.org/emf/2002/Ecore#//EString"
> defaultValueLiteral=""/>
> <eStructuralFeatures xsi:type="ecore:EReference" name="transactions"
> upperBound="-1"
> eType="#//Transaction" containment="true"
> eOpposite="#//Transaction/order"/>
> <eStructuralFeatures xsi:type="ecore:EReference" name="customer"
> eType="#//Customer"
> resolveProxies="false"/>
> <eStructuralFeatures xsi:type="ecore:EAttribute" name="comments"
> upperBound="-1"
> eType="ecore:EDataType
> http://www.eclipse.org/emf/2002/Ecore#//EString"/>
> </eClassifiers>
> <eClassifiers xsi:type="ecore:EClass" name="Transaction">
> <eStructuralFeatures xsi:type="ecore:EAttribute" name="number"
> eType="ecore:EDataType http://www.eclipse.org/emf/2002/Ecore#//EString"/>
> <eStructuralFeatures xsi:type="ecore:EReference" name="order"
> eType="#//Order"
> eOpposite="#//Order/transactions"/>
> <eStructuralFeatures xsi:type="ecore:EReference" name="product"
> eType="#//Product"/>
> <eStructuralFeatures xsi:type="ecore:EAttribute" name="startDate"
> eType="ecore:EDataType http://www.eclipse.org/emf/2002/Ecore#//EDate"/>
> <eStructuralFeatures xsi:type="ecore:EAttribute" name="endDate"
> eType="ecore:EDataType http://www.eclipse.org/emf/2002/Ecore#//EDate"/>
> <eStructuralFeatures xsi:type="ecore:EAttribute" name="price"
> eType="ecore:EDataType http://www.eclipse.org/emf/2002/Ecore#//EDouble"/>
> <eStructuralFeatures xsi:type="ecore:EAttribute" name="paidDate"
> eType="ecore:EDataType http://www.eclipse.org/emf/2002/Ecore#//EDate"/>
> </eClassifiers>
> </ecore:EPackage>
>
>


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With Regards, Martin Taal

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Office: Hardwareweg 4, 3821 BV Amersfoort
Postal: Nassaulaan 7, 3941 EC Doorn
The Netherlands
Cell: +31 (0)6 288 48 943
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Re: [teneo] delete help for newbie [message #501157 is a reply to message #501070] Tue, 01 December 2009 11:09 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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here is the code
			Properties props = new Properties();
			props.setProperty(Environment.DRIVER,
					"org.apache.derby.jdbc.ClientDriver");
			props.setProperty(Environment.URL,
					"jdbc:derby://localhost:1527/ShopDB;create=true");
			props.setProperty(Environment.DIALECT,
					org.hibernate.dialect.DerbyDialect.class.getName());
			props.setProperty(Environment.SHOW_SQL, "true");
			HbDataStore hbds = (HbDataStore) HbHelper.INSTANCE
					.createRegisterDataStore("ShopDB");
			hbds.setProperties(props);
			hbds.setEPackages(new EPackage[] { ShopPackage.eINSTANCE });
			hbds.initialize();

			sessionController = new SessionController();
			sessionController.setHbDataStore(hbds);
			SessionController.registerSessionController("ShopDB",
					sessionController);
Re: [teneo] delete help for newbie [message #501229 is a reply to message #501157] Tue, 01 December 2009 15:37 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Hi Allon,
I have included your ecore package into a testcase. But before I spend time on building test data. Is it possible for
you to send me the data of your database or the code to create it?

gr. Martin

Allon Moritz wrote:
> here is the code
>
> Properties props = new Properties();
> props.setProperty(Environment.DRIVER,
> "org.apache.derby.jdbc.ClientDriver");
> props.setProperty(Environment.URL,
> "jdbc:derby://localhost:1527/ShopDB;create=true");
> props.setProperty(Environment.DIALECT,
> org.hibernate.dialect.DerbyDialect.class.getName());
> props.setProperty(Environment.SHOW_SQL, "true");
> HbDataStore hbds = (HbDataStore) HbHelper.INSTANCE
> .createRegisterDataStore("ShopDB");
> hbds.setProperties(props);
> hbds.setEPackages(new EPackage[] { ShopPackage.eINSTANCE });
> hbds.initialize();
>
> sessionController = new SessionController();
> sessionController.setHbDataStore(hbds);
> SessionController.registerSessionController("ShopDB",
> sessionController);
>


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With Regards, Martin Taal

Springsite/Elver.org
Office: Hardwareweg 4, 3821 BV Amersfoort
Postal: Nassaulaan 7, 3941 EC Doorn
The Netherlands
Cell: +31 (0)6 288 48 943
Tel: +31 (0)84 420 2397
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Re: [teneo] delete help for newbie [message #501242 is a reply to message #501229] Tue, 01 December 2009 16:15 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I probably figured out where the problem was.....at the moment the former exception is gone but a new one appeared saying something like that the deleted object will be resaved next time.... I do some investigation and will report back Very Happy

thanks for your help!! Cool
Re: [teneo] delete help for newbie [message #501249 is a reply to message #501242] Tue, 01 December 2009 16:20 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Martin Taal is currently offline Martin TaalFriend
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Hi Allon,
I am still curious to see what happened :-). Can you tell me what went wrong?

The other error happens when you delete something but do not remove it from its parent or that you still refer to the
deleted object from other objects.

gr. Martin

Allon Moritz wrote:
> I probably figured out where the problem was.....at the moment the
> former exception is gone but a new one appeared saying something like
> that the deleted object will be resaved next time.... I do some
> investigation and will report back :d
> thanks for your help!! 8)


--

With Regards, Martin Taal

Springsite/Elver.org
Office: Hardwareweg 4, 3821 BV Amersfoort
Postal: Nassaulaan 7, 3941 EC Doorn
The Netherlands
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Re: [teneo] delete help for newbie [message #501303 is a reply to message #501249] Tue, 01 December 2009 19:26 Go to previous message
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sent you a message with the app and some explanations
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