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Using Eclipse for a non-IDE application [message #50310] Tue, 25 March 2003 17:09 Go to next message
Eclipse UserFriend
Originally posted by: cm.fast.no

eclipse.technology group,

I'm evaluating using Eclipse for a non-IDE client application. The
application will provide a set of task-oriented user-interfaces for
managing some server software, but it needs to be extensible as new
functionality is deployed on the server-side. The tasks are quite
independent and the application could resemble a Microsoft Outlook
type application in it's simplest from.

Eclipse seems very attractive for several reasons, including it's
plug-in framework, brandability, cross-platform support, native system
look & feel, etc. To learn more about how Eclipse would suit my
needs, I decided on making a simple "Hello World" plug-in and try to
remove all traces of Eclipse being used as an IDE.

Writing the "Hello World" plug-in and deploying it was easy (I used
the tutorial in the documentation), but I'm having some difficulty
removing all traces of Eclipse being an IDE. I've tried to reduce the
set of plugins to a minumum and my current set is as follows (I'm
using using Eclipse RC2 on Windows):

Apache Lucene (org.apache.lucene)
Core Boot (org.eclipse.core.boot)
Core Resource Management (org.eclipse.core.resources)
Core Runtime (org.eclipse.core.runtime)
Default Text Editor (org.eclipse.ui.editors)
Eclipse Platform (org.eclipse.platform)
Eclipse UI (org.eclipse.ui)
Help Application Server (org.eclipse.helt.appserver)
Help System Core (org.eclipse.help)
Install/Update Core (org.eclipse.update.core)
JFace (org.eclipse.jface)
JFace Text (org.eclipse.jface.text)
Standard Widget Toolkit (org.eclipse.swt)
Text (org.eclipse.text)
Text Editor Framework (org.eclipse.ui.workbench.texteditor)
Views (org.eclipse.ui.views)
Workbench (org.eclipse.ui..workbench)
Xerces Based XML Parser (org.apache.xerces)
Eclipse Hello World Excample (foo.bar.helloworld)

In particular, I'm having problems removing the Project menu and the
File -> New -> Project and File -> Import / Export entries. I've
tried Windows -> Customize Perspective... to remove the latter entries
from the File menu, but they don't seem to go away. Anyone know why?

In general, any feedback, information or starting points on stripping
down Eclipse and using it for a non-IDE applications is very much
appreciated. If you don't think it's suiteable for non-IDE
applications (yet?), that would be very valuable, too.

Thanks in advance and for your time.


Christian
Re: Using Eclipse for a non-IDE application [message #50479 is a reply to message #50310] Wed, 26 March 2003 09:05 Go to previous messageGo to next message
No real name is currently offline No real nameFriend
Messages: 8
Registered: July 2009
Junior Member
Hi Christian,

we use eclipse for a non-IDE application. And I think eclipse brings
much features that are very usefull for any application. You dont have
to code this features for yourself.

In the 2.1 version there you can only remove the project menu in the
source code (as far as I know). But this should change in 2.2.

Martin


Christian Moen wrote:
> eclipse.technology group,
>
> I'm evaluating using Eclipse for a non-IDE client application. The
> application will provide a set of task-oriented user-interfaces for
> managing some server software, but it needs to be extensible as new
> functionality is deployed on the server-side. The tasks are quite
> independent and the application could resemble a Microsoft Outlook
> type application in it's simplest from.
>
> Eclipse seems very attractive for several reasons, including it's
> plug-in framework, brandability, cross-platform support, native
system
> look & feel, etc. To learn more about how Eclipse would suit my
> needs, I decided on making a simple "Hello World" plug-in and try to
> remove all traces of Eclipse being used as an IDE.
>
> Writing the "Hello World" plug-in and deploying it was easy (I used
> the tutorial in the documentation), but I'm having some difficulty
> removing all traces of Eclipse being an IDE. I've tried to reduce
the
> set of plugins to a minumum and my current set is as follows (I'm
> using using Eclipse RC2 on Windows):
>
> Apache Lucene (org.apache.lucene)
> Core Boot (org.eclipse.core.boot)
> Core Resource Management (org.eclipse.core.resources)
> Core Runtime (org.eclipse.core.runtime)
> Default Text Editor (org.eclipse.ui.editors)
> Eclipse Platform (org.eclipse.platform)
> Eclipse UI (org.eclipse.ui)
> Help Application Server (org.eclipse.helt.appserver)
> Help System Core (org.eclipse.help)
> Install/Update Core (org.eclipse.update.core)
> JFace (org.eclipse.jface)
> JFace Text (org.eclipse.jface.text)
> Standard Widget Toolkit (org.eclipse.swt)
> Text (org.eclipse.text)
> Text Editor Framework (org.eclipse.ui.workbench.texteditor)
> Views (org.eclipse.ui.views)
> Workbench (org.eclipse.ui..workbench)
> Xerces Based XML Parser (org.apache.xerces)
> Eclipse Hello World Excample (foo.bar.helloworld)
>
> In particular, I'm having problems removing the Project menu and the
> File -> New -> Project and File -> Import / Export entries. I've
> tried Windows -> Customize Perspective... to remove the latter
entries
> from the File menu, but they don't seem to go away. Anyone know
why?
>
> In general, any feedback, information or starting points on
stripping
> down Eclipse and using it for a non-IDE applications is very much
> appreciated. If you don't think it's suiteable for non-IDE
> applications (yet?), that would be very valuable, too.
>
> Thanks in advance and for your time.
>
>
> Christian
Re: Using Eclipse for a non-IDE application [message #50507 is a reply to message #50479] Wed, 26 March 2003 11:32 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Eclipse UserFriend
Originally posted by: cm.fast.no

"Martin Dulisch" <mdulisch@s-und-n.de> wrote in message
news:b5rqba$886$1@rogue.oti.com...
> Hi Christian,
>
> we use eclipse for a non-IDE application. And I think eclipse brings
> much features that are very usefull for any application. You dont have
> to code this features for yourself.
>
> In the 2.1 version there you can only remove the project menu in the
> source code (as far as I know). But this should change in 2.2.

Can you tell me a bit more about your application and how it benefits from
using Eclipse? Do you have any suggestions on how I should proceed with
evaluating using Eclipse? For example, do you know about any freely
available non-IDE applications I can look at that uses Eclipse? Do you know
about any documentation on this topic? Thanks.

Regards,


Christian
Re: Using Eclipse for a non-IDE application [message #50535 is a reply to message #50310] Wed, 26 March 2003 12:01 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Frank Radermacher is currently offline Frank RadermacherFriend
Messages: 33
Registered: July 2009
Member
Hi Christian,

look at equinox and this link.

http://www.genuitec.com/products/eclipseapplicationframework .pdf

Frank
Re: Using Eclipse for a non-IDE application [message #50563 is a reply to message #50507] Wed, 26 March 2003 13:54 Go to previous message
No real name is currently offline No real nameFriend
Messages: 8
Registered: July 2009
Junior Member
Christian Moen wrote:
> Can you tell me a bit more about your application and how it
benefits
> from using Eclipse? Do you have any suggestions on how I should

We use the UI-framework: views, editors, perspectives, arrangement of
views

We also use the text editor framework. That saved us a lot of work.

Martin
Re: Using Eclipse for a non-IDE application [message #592120 is a reply to message #50310] Wed, 26 March 2003 09:05 Go to previous message
No real name is currently offline No real nameFriend
Messages: 8
Registered: July 2009
Junior Member
Hi Christian,

we use eclipse for a non-IDE application. And I think eclipse brings
much features that are very usefull for any application. You dont have
to code this features for yourself.

In the 2.1 version there you can only remove the project menu in the
source code (as far as I know). But this should change in 2.2.

Martin


Christian Moen wrote:
> eclipse.technology group,
>
> I'm evaluating using Eclipse for a non-IDE client application. The
> application will provide a set of task-oriented user-interfaces for
> managing some server software, but it needs to be extensible as new
> functionality is deployed on the server-side. The tasks are quite
> independent and the application could resemble a Microsoft Outlook
> type application in it's simplest from.
>
> Eclipse seems very attractive for several reasons, including it's
> plug-in framework, brandability, cross-platform support, native
system
> look & feel, etc. To learn more about how Eclipse would suit my
> needs, I decided on making a simple "Hello World" plug-in and try to
> remove all traces of Eclipse being used as an IDE.
>
> Writing the "Hello World" plug-in and deploying it was easy (I used
> the tutorial in the documentation), but I'm having some difficulty
> removing all traces of Eclipse being an IDE. I've tried to reduce
the
> set of plugins to a minumum and my current set is as follows (I'm
> using using Eclipse RC2 on Windows):
>
> Apache Lucene (org.apache.lucene)
> Core Boot (org.eclipse.core.boot)
> Core Resource Management (org.eclipse.core.resources)
> Core Runtime (org.eclipse.core.runtime)
> Default Text Editor (org.eclipse.ui.editors)
> Eclipse Platform (org.eclipse.platform)
> Eclipse UI (org.eclipse.ui)
> Help Application Server (org.eclipse.helt.appserver)
> Help System Core (org.eclipse.help)
> Install/Update Core (org.eclipse.update.core)
> JFace (org.eclipse.jface)
> JFace Text (org.eclipse.jface.text)
> Standard Widget Toolkit (org.eclipse.swt)
> Text (org.eclipse.text)
> Text Editor Framework (org.eclipse.ui.workbench.texteditor)
> Views (org.eclipse.ui.views)
> Workbench (org.eclipse.ui..workbench)
> Xerces Based XML Parser (org.apache.xerces)
> Eclipse Hello World Excample (foo.bar.helloworld)
>
> In particular, I'm having problems removing the Project menu and the
> File -> New -> Project and File -> Import / Export entries. I've
> tried Windows -> Customize Perspective... to remove the latter
entries
> from the File menu, but they don't seem to go away. Anyone know
why?
>
> In general, any feedback, information or starting points on
stripping
> down Eclipse and using it for a non-IDE applications is very much
> appreciated. If you don't think it's suiteable for non-IDE
> applications (yet?), that would be very valuable, too.
>
> Thanks in advance and for your time.
>
>
> Christian
Re: Using Eclipse for a non-IDE application [message #592135 is a reply to message #50479] Wed, 26 March 2003 11:32 Go to previous message
Eclipse UserFriend
Originally posted by: cm.fast.no

"Martin Dulisch" <mdulisch@s-und-n.de> wrote in message
news:b5rqba$886$1@rogue.oti.com...
> Hi Christian,
>
> we use eclipse for a non-IDE application. And I think eclipse brings
> much features that are very usefull for any application. You dont have
> to code this features for yourself.
>
> In the 2.1 version there you can only remove the project menu in the
> source code (as far as I know). But this should change in 2.2.

Can you tell me a bit more about your application and how it benefits from
using Eclipse? Do you have any suggestions on how I should proceed with
evaluating using Eclipse? For example, do you know about any freely
available non-IDE applications I can look at that uses Eclipse? Do you know
about any documentation on this topic? Thanks.

Regards,


Christian
Re: Using Eclipse for a non-IDE application [message #592142 is a reply to message #50310] Wed, 26 March 2003 12:01 Go to previous message
Frank Radermacher is currently offline Frank RadermacherFriend
Messages: 33
Registered: July 2009
Member
Hi Christian,

look at equinox and this link.

http://www.genuitec.com/products/eclipseapplicationframework .pdf

Frank
Re: Using Eclipse for a non-IDE application [message #592146 is a reply to message #50507] Wed, 26 March 2003 13:54 Go to previous message
No real name is currently offline No real nameFriend
Messages: 8
Registered: July 2009
Junior Member
Christian Moen wrote:
> Can you tell me a bit more about your application and how it
benefits
> from using Eclipse? Do you have any suggestions on how I should

We use the UI-framework: views, editors, perspectives, arrangement of
views

We also use the text editor framework. That saved us a lot of work.

Martin
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