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Re: possible VE involvement? [message #486268 is a reply to message #486110] |
Thu, 17 September 2009 03:18 |
Jin Missing name Messages: 100 Registered: July 2009 |
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Hi, Gilbert, thanks for reply:) I guess there will be not any response.
The status for VE is:
1. many many bugs. The stability, performance and usability should be
improved before you propose a new features. However, from some words on the
page, I guess, some ones may like to add new basic framework codes into the
VE.(something like VE for everything, not just for swt/swing).
2. not community based. no plan, not discussion, no bugzilla(for
development). Even the download link has been broken several days ago, and
nobody care?...
3. vicious circle from 1. and 2.
although, as a community enthusiast, I just make a sound.
best regards,
Jin
"Gilbert Mirenque" <formatzeh@gmx.de> д
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Re: possible VE involvement? [message #486738 is a reply to message #486268] |
Fri, 18 September 2009 20:27 |
Yves YANG Messages: 688 Registered: July 2009 |
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Hi Jin,
Any contribution is more than welcome. Please let me know which part you
want to do first.
<jin.phd@gmail.com> wrote in message news:h8s9mv$dtf$1@build.eclipse.org...
> Hi, Gilbert, thanks for reply:) I guess there will be not any response.
>
> The status for VE is:
> 1. many many bugs. The stability, performance and usability should be
> improved before you propose a new features. However, from some words on
> the page, I guess, some ones may like to add new basic framework codes
> into the VE.(something like VE for everything, not just for swt/swing).
Please give more explanations.
> 2. not community based. no plan, not discussion, no bugzilla(for
> development). Even the download link has been broken several days ago, and
> nobody care?...
We are now just preparing the build 1.4. And afterwards, we need to collec
the requirements and define a next release plan.
Best regards
Yves YANG
> 3. vicious circle from 1. and 2.
>
> although, as a community enthusiast, I just make a sound.
>
> best regards,
> Jin
>
>
>
> "Gilbert Mirenque" <formatzeh@gmx.de>
> д
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Re: possible VE involvement? [message #486805 is a reply to message #486738] |
Sat, 19 September 2009 10:34 |
Jin Missing name Messages: 100 Registered: July 2009 |
Senior Member |
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Hi, yang, yeap, I just email you:) I'm glad to discuss the future of VE here
with you. two parts as followed,
---
> ... However, from some words on the page, I guess, some ones may like to
> add new basic framework codes into the VE.(something like VE for
> everything, not just for swt/swing).
for this sentence, in fact, I want to say that it is best not to think more
addtional features before that we can provide a satisfactory SWT UI Visual
Java Editor for Eclipse community.
some words from the website of VE clued here
"
In particular, the Visual Editor Project intends to be useful for creating
GUI builders for other languages such as C/C++ and alternate widget sets,
including those that are not supported under Java.
"
One thing that I know, is that you are doing the XWT development under e4.
One question is, do you consider to integrate XWT into VE?
---
my thoughts:
1. rebuild the community
it is not needed to forced to answer every questions in the first time like
the EMF team. We should keep most of development activities open to
community.
2. fixing bugs.
If you don't violently change the framework of VE, I will triage(review) all
bugs under the Windows platform and general one from scratch, and fix or
mark them. Hovever, if the frameworkw is planned to be changed, I think this
step may not be useful anymore.
3. stability
minimize dependencies(now emf and gef. jem seem related to WTP? suggest to
resolve this problem).
make more addtional features optional.
The performance should be visited again.
4. enhance the usability
unify newcomer/veteran workflow(and add tooling support), tabbed property...
5. litte addtions before stability
be cautious to add more .
interesting topics like partial nebula widgets support, more RCP support,
modeled UI support?( RCP)
I just like the project leader(you?) could do some plans and arranges for
all committers and contributors. We don't need to wait anything:)
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Re: possible VE involvement? [message #487361 is a reply to message #486805] |
Tue, 22 September 2009 21:12 |
Yves YANG Messages: 688 Registered: July 2009 |
Senior Member |
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<jin.phd@gmail.com> wrote in message news:h92c10$ika$1@build.eclipse.org...
> Hi, yang, yeap, I just email you:) I'm glad to discuss the future of VE
> here with you. two parts as followed,
>
> ---
>> ... However, from some words on the page, I guess, some ones may like to
>> add new basic framework codes into the VE.(something like VE for
>> everything, not just for swt/swing).
>
> for this sentence, in fact, I want to say that it is best not to think
> more addtional features before that we can provide a satisfactory SWT UI
> Visual Java Editor for Eclipse community.
> some words from the website of VE clued here
> "
> In particular, the Visual Editor Project intends to be useful for creating
> GUI builders for other languages such as C/C++ and alternate widget sets,
> including those that are not supported under Java.
> "
1. We should focus on the open bugs.
2. If someone want to contribute some new features, it is welcome.
>
> One thing that I know, is that you are doing the XWT development under e4.
> One question is, do you consider to integrate XWT into VE?
>
Yes. It is definitively a priority feature.
Best regards
Yves YANG
>
>
> ---
>
> my thoughts:
>
> 1. rebuild the community
> it is not needed to forced to answer every questions in the first time
> like the EMF team. We should keep most of development activities open to
> community.
>
>
> 2. fixing bugs.
> If you don't violently change the framework of VE, I will triage(review)
> all bugs under the Windows platform and general one from scratch, and fix
> or mark them. Hovever, if the frameworkw is planned to be changed, I think
> this step may not be useful anymore.
>
>
> 3. stability
> minimize dependencies(now emf and gef. jem seem related to WTP? suggest to
> resolve this problem).
> make more addtional features optional.
> The performance should be visited again.
>
>
> 4. enhance the usability
> unify newcomer/veteran workflow(and add tooling support), tabbed
> property...
>
>
>
> 5. litte addtions before stability
> be cautious to add more .
> interesting topics like partial nebula widgets support, more RCP support,
> modeled UI support?( RCP)
>
>
> I just like the project leader(you?) could do some plans and arranges for
> all committers and contributors. We don't need to wait anything:)
>
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Re: possible VE involvement? [message #617424 is a reply to message #486110] |
Thu, 17 September 2009 03:18 |
Jin Missing name Messages: 100 Registered: July 2009 |
Senior Member |
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Hi, Gilbert, thanks for reply:) I guess there will be not any response.
The status for VE is:
1. many many bugs. The stability, performance and usability should be
improved before you propose a new features. However, from some words on the
page, I guess, some ones may like to add new basic framework codes into the
VE.(something like VE for everything, not just for swt/swing).
2. not community based. no plan, not discussion, no bugzilla(for
development). Even the download link has been broken several days ago, and
nobody care?...
3. vicious circle from 1. and 2.
although, as a community enthusiast, I just make a sound.
best regards,
Jin
"Gilbert Mirenque" <formatzeh@gmx.de> д
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Re: possible VE involvement? [message #617435 is a reply to message #486268] |
Fri, 18 September 2009 20:27 |
Yves YANG Messages: 688 Registered: July 2009 |
Senior Member |
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Hi Jin,
Any contribution is more than welcome. Please let me know which part you
want to do first.
<jin.phd@gmail.com> wrote in message news:h8s9mv$dtf$1@build.eclipse.org...
> Hi, Gilbert, thanks for reply:) I guess there will be not any response.
>
> The status for VE is:
> 1. many many bugs. The stability, performance and usability should be
> improved before you propose a new features. However, from some words on
> the page, I guess, some ones may like to add new basic framework codes
> into the VE.(something like VE for everything, not just for swt/swing).
Please give more explanations.
> 2. not community based. no plan, not discussion, no bugzilla(for
> development). Even the download link has been broken several days ago, and
> nobody care?...
We are now just preparing the build 1.4. And afterwards, we need to collec
the requirements and define a next release plan.
Best regards
Yves YANG
> 3. vicious circle from 1. and 2.
>
> although, as a community enthusiast, I just make a sound.
>
> best regards,
> Jin
>
>
>
> "Gilbert Mirenque" <formatzeh@gmx.de>
> д
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Re: possible VE involvement? [message #617436 is a reply to message #486738] |
Sat, 19 September 2009 10:34 |
Jin Missing name Messages: 100 Registered: July 2009 |
Senior Member |
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Hi, yang, yeap, I just email you:) I'm glad to discuss the future of VE here
with you. two parts as followed,
---
> ... However, from some words on the page, I guess, some ones may like to
> add new basic framework codes into the VE.(something like VE for
> everything, not just for swt/swing).
for this sentence, in fact, I want to say that it is best not to think more
addtional features before that we can provide a satisfactory SWT UI Visual
Java Editor for Eclipse community.
some words from the website of VE clued here
"
In particular, the Visual Editor Project intends to be useful for creating
GUI builders for other languages such as C/C++ and alternate widget sets,
including those that are not supported under Java.
"
One thing that I know, is that you are doing the XWT development under e4.
One question is, do you consider to integrate XWT into VE?
---
my thoughts:
1. rebuild the community
it is not needed to forced to answer every questions in the first time like
the EMF team. We should keep most of development activities open to
community.
2. fixing bugs.
If you don't violently change the framework of VE, I will triage(review) all
bugs under the Windows platform and general one from scratch, and fix or
mark them. Hovever, if the frameworkw is planned to be changed, I think this
step may not be useful anymore.
3. stability
minimize dependencies(now emf and gef. jem seem related to WTP? suggest to
resolve this problem).
make more addtional features optional.
The performance should be visited again.
4. enhance the usability
unify newcomer/veteran workflow(and add tooling support), tabbed property...
5. litte addtions before stability
be cautious to add more .
interesting topics like partial nebula widgets support, more RCP support,
modeled UI support?( RCP)
I just like the project leader(you?) could do some plans and arranges for
all committers and contributors. We don't need to wait anything:)
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Re: possible VE involvement? [message #617437 is a reply to message #486805] |
Tue, 22 September 2009 21:12 |
Yves YANG Messages: 688 Registered: July 2009 |
Senior Member |
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<jin.phd@gmail.com> wrote in message news:h92c10$ika$1@build.eclipse.org...
> Hi, yang, yeap, I just email you:) I'm glad to discuss the future of VE
> here with you. two parts as followed,
>
> ---
>> ... However, from some words on the page, I guess, some ones may like to
>> add new basic framework codes into the VE.(something like VE for
>> everything, not just for swt/swing).
>
> for this sentence, in fact, I want to say that it is best not to think
> more addtional features before that we can provide a satisfactory SWT UI
> Visual Java Editor for Eclipse community.
> some words from the website of VE clued here
> "
> In particular, the Visual Editor Project intends to be useful for creating
> GUI builders for other languages such as C/C++ and alternate widget sets,
> including those that are not supported under Java.
> "
1. We should focus on the open bugs.
2. If someone want to contribute some new features, it is welcome.
>
> One thing that I know, is that you are doing the XWT development under e4.
> One question is, do you consider to integrate XWT into VE?
>
Yes. It is definitively a priority feature.
Best regards
Yves YANG
>
>
> ---
>
> my thoughts:
>
> 1. rebuild the community
> it is not needed to forced to answer every questions in the first time
> like the EMF team. We should keep most of development activities open to
> community.
>
>
> 2. fixing bugs.
> If you don't violently change the framework of VE, I will triage(review)
> all bugs under the Windows platform and general one from scratch, and fix
> or mark them. Hovever, if the frameworkw is planned to be changed, I think
> this step may not be useful anymore.
>
>
> 3. stability
> minimize dependencies(now emf and gef. jem seem related to WTP? suggest to
> resolve this problem).
> make more addtional features optional.
> The performance should be visited again.
>
>
> 4. enhance the usability
> unify newcomer/veteran workflow(and add tooling support), tabbed
> property...
>
>
>
> 5. litte addtions before stability
> be cautious to add more .
> interesting topics like partial nebula widgets support, more RCP support,
> modeled UI support?( RCP)
>
>
> I just like the project leader(you?) could do some plans and arranges for
> all committers and contributors. We don't need to wait anything:)
>
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