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| JBuilder to Eclipse migration [message #48436] |
Wed, 04 June 2003 05:27  |
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Originally posted by: raughton.amadeus.net
I would like to benefit from other people's experience in the feasibility
of replacing JBuilder with Eclipse for Java development in a large
company. The main motive of course is to save money. The type of
development is quite varied with both client and server side development.
What are the issues involved with taking Java applications which have been
developed using JBuilder and then using Eclipse as the IDE to make changes
and new developments ?
A large subject, no doubt, but any comments would be appreciated.
There are also many Swing applications. Given that Eclipse is based on
SWT, I have read about limitations in developing Eclipse plug-ins using
Swing. Are there also any limitations in updating or developing Swing
applications using Eclipse ?
Thanks in anticipation.
Richard
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| Re: JBuilder to Eclipse migration [message #49626 is a reply to message #48436] |
Wed, 04 June 2003 22:28  |
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The main thing is ... what version of JBuilder are you using? Are you
using it to develope EJBs?
If you aren't doing EJB development, then it is a no brainer. If you are
using EJBs, well it's just a little more work ... but still a no
brainer. I know I'm a little biased, but when I first started using
JBuilder (switching to a new company), I pretty much went insane and had
to use Eclipse.
The main problem you'll have is people saying "but in JBuilder I did it
this way" ... "but in JBuilder it looked like this" ... etc. This is to
be expected, but people should just not fight it ... and go with the
flow. It really is a far superior tool. For one thing, JBuilder
attempted to share their "project" files amoungst a team ... and for the
most part this just didn't work. And if you did manage to get it working
it broke pretty easily.
Anyway, I'm working with 40+ developers, all who were on JBuilder about
5 months ago and we've made the transistion wholesale, and for the most
part everyone's happy.
There are some new plug-ins supporting swing ... don't know much about
them ... but this one looks good:
http://www.assisiplugins.com/index_start.html
anyway ... there's bound to be support for this sooner than later.
--
Marcus
Richard Aughton wrote:
> I would like to benefit from other people's experience in the feasibility
> of replacing JBuilder with Eclipse for Java development in a large
> company. The main motive of course is to save money. The type of
> development is quite varied with both client and server side development.
>
> What are the issues involved with taking Java applications which have been
> developed using JBuilder and then using Eclipse as the IDE to make changes
> and new developments ?
> A large subject, no doubt, but any comments would be appreciated.
>
> There are also many Swing applications. Given that Eclipse is based on
> SWT, I have read about limitations in developing Eclipse plug-ins using
> Swing. Are there also any limitations in updating or developing Swing
> applications using Eclipse ?
>
> Thanks in anticipation.
>
> Richard
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| Re: JBuilder to Eclipse migration [message #53999 is a reply to message #48436] |
Tue, 10 June 2003 19:04 |
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Originally posted by: kduffey.marketron.com
I can tell you our company is doing the same now. For both money reasons and
the rapid cycle of Eclipse fixes and enhancements that takes JBuilder almost
a year to do, and at that often doesn't support some of the things Eclipse
adds.
So far, it took one of our developers a few weeks time to get everything
working, including JBoss plugin, building, editing, etc. However, I have
been using Eclipse for other projects with no problem. I use Ant to do the
builds, and I am not actually using the IDE for debugging much, although
sometimes I attempt it. I just haven't figured out how to use an IDE
debugger yet, System.out seems to work for me. :D
"Richard Aughton" <raughton@amadeus.net> wrote in message
news:bbke1v$grs$1@rogue.oti.com...
> I would like to benefit from other people's experience in the feasibility
> of replacing JBuilder with Eclipse for Java development in a large
> company. The main motive of course is to save money. The type of
> development is quite varied with both client and server side development.
>
> What are the issues involved with taking Java applications which have been
> developed using JBuilder and then using Eclipse as the IDE to make changes
> and new developments ?
> A large subject, no doubt, but any comments would be appreciated.
>
> There are also many Swing applications. Given that Eclipse is based on
> SWT, I have read about limitations in developing Eclipse plug-ins using
> Swing. Are there also any limitations in updating or developing Swing
> applications using Eclipse ?
>
> Thanks in anticipation.
>
> Richard
>
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| Re: JBuilder to Eclipse migration [message #54006 is a reply to message #53999] |
Tue, 10 June 2003 19:48 |
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Originally posted by: stein.m.eliassen.start.no
Kevin wrote:
> So far, it took one of our developers a few weeks time to get everything
> working, including JBoss plugin, building, editing, etc. However, I have
> been using Eclipse for other projects with no problem. I use Ant to do the
> builds, and I am not actually using the IDE for debugging much, although
> sometimes I attempt it. I just haven't figured out how to use an IDE
> debugger yet, System.out seems to work for me. :D
>
Kevin,
Using the debugger has it advantages because you can modify some code
while stepping through an application and save the changes and continue
stepping without restarting the application, it saves a lot of time.
Another nice thing is to have the debugger activated when some special
exception occures, like a NullPointerException somewhere in your
code-base because you forgot to initialize some field.
But you probably knew this already...
Stein
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| Re: JBuilder to Eclipse migration [message #54113 is a reply to message #53999] |
Wed, 11 June 2003 03:38 |
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Originally posted by: bob.objfac.com
I know a lot of bright programmers who get along fine with System.out. ;-}
Somewhere along the line I got addicted to debuggers, but sometimes I admit
they slow me down.
Bob
"Kevin" <kduffey@marketron.com> wrote in message
news:bc5o5d$gvl$1@rogue.oti.com...
> I can tell you our company is doing the same now. For both money reasons
and
> the rapid cycle of Eclipse fixes and enhancements that takes JBuilder
almost
> a year to do, and at that often doesn't support some of the things Eclipse
> adds.
>
> So far, it took one of our developers a few weeks time to get everything
> working, including JBoss plugin, building, editing, etc. However, I have
> been using Eclipse for other projects with no problem. I use Ant to do the
> builds, and I am not actually using the IDE for debugging much, although
> sometimes I attempt it. I just haven't figured out how to use an IDE
> debugger yet, System.out seems to work for me. :D
>
>
>
> "Richard Aughton" <raughton@amadeus.net> wrote in message
> news:bbke1v$grs$1@rogue.oti.com...
> > I would like to benefit from other people's experience in the
feasibility
> > of replacing JBuilder with Eclipse for Java development in a large
> > company. The main motive of course is to save money. The type of
> > development is quite varied with both client and server side
development.
> >
> > What are the issues involved with taking Java applications which have
been
> > developed using JBuilder and then using Eclipse as the IDE to make
changes
> > and new developments ?
> > A large subject, no doubt, but any comments would be appreciated.
> >
> > There are also many Swing applications. Given that Eclipse is based on
> > SWT, I have read about limitations in developing Eclipse plug-ins using
> > Swing. Are there also any limitations in updating or developing Swing
> > applications using Eclipse ?
> >
> > Thanks in anticipation.
> >
> > Richard
> >
>
>
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