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JGoodies Form layout / SWTForms? [message #48029]

Tue, 29 January 2008 21:58

Eclipse User

Hi,

Was wondering if Nubula could be an incubator for a SWT port of the
JGoodies Form layout?

A SWT version of the layout manager exists
http://ffxml.net/swtforms.html so the effort is really one of
maintenance/bug fixing.

Whilst I'm happy with SWT FormLayout, I do see some issues with it that
JGoodies addresses - ie the lack of platform independent units that
SWTForms does have (dialog units) to ensure widgets are spaced/laid with
the appropriate proportional widths/heights etc...

Cheers,
Grant

Re: JGoodies Form layout / SWTForms? [message #48433 is a reply to message #48029]

Fri, 01 February 2008 12:24

Eclipse User

Hi Grant,

I think Nebula would be a good place for something like that. But we
would need a volunteer to contribute and maintain the code. At Nebula,
we don't have any full-time resources.

regards,
-Chris

Grant Slender wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Was wondering if Nubula could be an incubator for a SWT port of the
> JGoodies Form layout?
>
> A SWT version of the layout manager exists
> http://ffxml.net/swtforms.html so the effort is really one of
> maintenance/bug fixing.
>
> Whilst I'm happy with SWT FormLayout, I do see some issues with it that
> JGoodies addresses - ie the lack of platform independent units that
> SWTForms does have (dialog units) to ensure widgets are spaced/laid with
> the appropriate proportional widths/heights etc...
>
> Cheers,
> Grant

Re: JGoodies Form layout / SWTForms? [message #48455 is a reply to message #48433]

Sat, 02 February 2008 04:50

Eclipse User

Would I be able to be a maintainer for this?

I would be happy to at least refactor the code to suit Nebula naming and
manage bug/issues and minor improvements where possible.

Cheers,
Grant

Chris Gross wrote:
> Hi Grant,
>
> I think Nebula would be a good place for something like that. But we
> would need a volunteer to contribute and maintain the code. At Nebula,
> we don't have any full-time resources.
>
> regards,
> -Chris
>
> Grant Slender wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> Was wondering if Nubula could be an incubator for a SWT port of the
>> JGoodies Form layout?
>>
>> A SWT version of the layout manager exists
>> http://ffxml.net/swtforms.html so the effort is really one of
>> maintenance/bug fixing.
>>
>> Whilst I'm happy with SWT FormLayout, I do see some issues with it
>> that JGoodies addresses - ie the lack of platform independent units
>> that SWTForms does have (dialog units) to ensure widgets are
>> spaced/laid with the appropriate proportional widths/heights etc...
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Grant

Re: JGoodies Form layout / SWTForms? [message #48575 is a reply to message #48455]

Mon, 04 February 2008 12:42

Eclipse User

I've implemented my own version of JGoodies' FormLayout as well--I'd be
willing to help maintain this too.

Matthew Hall

Grant Slender wrote:
> Would I be able to be a maintainer for this?
>
> I would be happy to at least refactor the code to suit Nebula naming and
> manage bug/issues and minor improvements where possible.
>
> Cheers,
> Grant
>
> Chris Gross wrote:
>> Hi Grant,
>>
>> I think Nebula would be a good place for something like that. But we
>> would need a volunteer to contribute and maintain the code. At
>> Nebula, we don't have any full-time resources.
>>
>> regards,
>> -Chris
>>
>> Grant Slender wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Was wondering if Nubula could be an incubator for a SWT port of the
>>> JGoodies Form layout?
>>>
>>> A SWT version of the layout manager exists
>>> http://ffxml.net/swtforms.html so the effort is really one of
>>> maintenance/bug fixing.
>>>
>>> Whilst I'm happy with SWT FormLayout, I do see some issues with it
>>> that JGoodies addresses - ie the lack of platform independent units
>>> that SWTForms does have (dialog units) to ensure widgets are
>>> spaced/laid with the appropriate proportional widths/heights etc...
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Grant

Re: JGoodies Form layout / SWTForms? [message #48718 is a reply to message #48575]

Tue, 05 February 2008 11:26

Eclipse User

Please write an email to the Nebula mailing list and then we'll start
the process there.

Are there no legal issues with using the JGoodies code? Can it be EPL
licensed?

-Chris

Matthew Hall wrote:
> I've implemented my own version of JGoodies' FormLayout as well--I'd be
> willing to help maintain this too.
>
> Matthew Hall
>
> Grant Slender wrote:
>> Would I be able to be a maintainer for this?
>>
>> I would be happy to at least refactor the code to suit Nebula naming
>> and manage bug/issues and minor improvements where possible.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Grant
>>
>> Chris Gross wrote:
>>> Hi Grant,
>>>
>>> I think Nebula would be a good place for something like that. But
>>> we would need a volunteer to contribute and maintain the code. At
>>> Nebula, we don't have any full-time resources.
>>>
>>> regards,
>>> -Chris
>>>
>>> Grant Slender wrote:
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> Was wondering if Nubula could be an incubator for a SWT port of the
>>>> JGoodies Form layout?
>>>>
>>>> A SWT version of the layout manager exists
>>>> http://ffxml.net/swtforms.html so the effort is really one of
>>>> maintenance/bug fixing.
>>>>
>>>> Whilst I'm happy with SWT FormLayout, I do see some issues with it
>>>> that JGoodies addresses - ie the lack of platform independent units
>>>> that SWTForms does have (dialog units) to ensure widgets are
>>>> spaced/laid with the appropriate proportional widths/heights etc...
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Grant

Re: JGoodies Form layout / SWTForms? [message #48778 is a reply to message #48718]

Tue, 05 February 2008 11:39

Eclipse User

My code is a cleanroom implementation of the JGoodies API, with some
SWT-centric tweaks. There are no legal barriers--I'm a committer on
plat-ui and have the authority to license the contribution as EPL.

Matthew

Chris Gross wrote:
> Please write an email to the Nebula mailing list and then we'll start
> the process there.
>
> Are there no legal issues with using the JGoodies code? Can it be EPL
> licensed?
>
> -Chris
>
> Matthew Hall wrote:
>> I've implemented my own version of JGoodies' FormLayout as well--I'd
>> be willing to help maintain this too.
>>
>> Matthew Hall
>>
>> Grant Slender wrote:
>>> Would I be able to be a maintainer for this?
>>>
>>> I would be happy to at least refactor the code to suit Nebula naming
>>> and manage bug/issues and minor improvements where possible.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Grant
>>>
>>> Chris Gross wrote:
>>>> Hi Grant,
>>>>
>>>> I think Nebula would be a good place for something like that. But
>>>> we would need a volunteer to contribute and maintain the code. At
>>>> Nebula, we don't have any full-time resources.
>>>>
>>>> regards,
>>>> -Chris
>>>>
>>>> Grant Slender wrote:
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> Was wondering if Nubula could be an incubator for a SWT port of the
>>>>> JGoodies Form layout?
>>>>>
>>>>> A SWT version of the layout manager exists
>>>>> http://ffxml.net/swtforms.html so the effort is really one of
>>>>> maintenance/bug fixing.
>>>>>
>>>>> Whilst I'm happy with SWT FormLayout, I do see some issues with it
>>>>> that JGoodies addresses - ie the lack of platform independent
>>>>> units that SWTForms does have (dialog units) to ensure widgets are
>>>>> spaced/laid with the appropriate proportional widths/heights etc...
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> Grant

Re: JGoodies Form layout / SWTForms? [message #48879 is a reply to message #48778]

Tue, 05 February 2008 15:52

Eclipse User

Matthew,

If you are willing to contribute your code and maintain it, then I think
that is probably the better option. I'd only take the existing SWTForms,
refactor for Nebula and manage and bugs fixs/contributions people make.

Your approach is better.

Let me know if you need/want any help.

Regards,
Grant

Matthew Hall wrote:
> My code is a cleanroom implementation of the JGoodies API, with some
> SWT-centric tweaks. There are no legal barriers--I'm a committer on
> plat-ui and have the authority to license the contribution as EPL.
>
> Matthew
>
>
> Chris Gross wrote:
>> Please write an email to the Nebula mailing list and then we'll start
>> the process there.
>>
>> Are there no legal issues with using the JGoodies code? Can it be EPL
>> licensed?
>>
>> -Chris
>>
>> Matthew Hall wrote:
>>> I've implemented my own version of JGoodies' FormLayout as well--I'd
>>> be willing to help maintain this too.
>>>
>>> Matthew Hall
>>>
>>> Grant Slender wrote:
>>>> Would I be able to be a maintainer for this?
>>>>
>>>> I would be happy to at least refactor the code to suit Nebula naming
>>>> and manage bug/issues and minor improvements where possible.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Grant
>>>>
>>>> Chris Gross wrote:
>>>>> Hi Grant,
>>>>>
>>>>> I think Nebula would be a good place for something like that. But
>>>>> we would need a volunteer to contribute and maintain the code. At
>>>>> Nebula, we don't have any full-time resources.
>>>>>
>>>>> regards,
>>>>> -Chris
>>>>>
>>>>> Grant Slender wrote:
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Was wondering if Nubula could be an incubator for a SWT port of
>>>>>> the JGoodies Form layout?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A SWT version of the layout manager exists
>>>>>> http://ffxml.net/swtforms.html so the effort is really one of
>>>>>> maintenance/bug fixing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Whilst I'm happy with SWT FormLayout, I do see some issues with it
>>>>>> that JGoodies addresses - ie the lack of platform independent
>>>>>> units that SWTForms does have (dialog units) to ensure widgets are
>>>>>> spaced/laid with the appropriate proportional widths/heights etc...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>> Grant

Re: JGoodies Form layout / SWTForms? [message #48908 is a reply to message #48778]

Tue, 05 February 2008 17:00

Eclipse User

This might be a good opportunity to reach out to Karsten Lentzsch (the
JGoodies guy) for his participation. Some time ago he offered some
feedback on layout APIs, and offered to port his own FormLayout to SWT.
Most of his bugs were marked wontfix (for valid reasons) which may
have soured his perception of the Eclipse community.

Notwithstanding, Karsten seems very passionate about UI design and
usability, and I'll bet he'd give us plenty of help if invited.

Matthew

Matthew Hall wrote:
> My code is a cleanroom implementation of the JGoodies API, with some
> SWT-centric tweaks. There are no legal barriers--I'm a committer on
> plat-ui and have the authority to license the contribution as EPL.
>
> Matthew
>
>
> Chris Gross wrote:
>> Please write an email to the Nebula mailing list and then we'll start
>> the process there.
>>
>> Are there no legal issues with using the JGoodies code? Can it be EPL
>> licensed?
>>
>> -Chris
>>
>> Matthew Hall wrote:
>>> I've implemented my own version of JGoodies' FormLayout as well--I'd
>>> be willing to help maintain this too.
>>>
>>> Matthew Hall
>>>
>>> Grant Slender wrote:
>>>> Would I be able to be a maintainer for this?
>>>>
>>>> I would be happy to at least refactor the code to suit Nebula naming
>>>> and manage bug/issues and minor improvements where possible.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Grant
>>>>
>>>> Chris Gross wrote:
>>>>> Hi Grant,
>>>>>
>>>>> I think Nebula would be a good place for something like that. But
>>>>> we would need a volunteer to contribute and maintain the code. At
>>>>> Nebula, we don't have any full-time resources.
>>>>>
>>>>> regards,
>>>>> -Chris
>>>>>
>>>>> Grant Slender wrote:
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Was wondering if Nubula could be an incubator for a SWT port of
>>>>>> the JGoodies Form layout?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A SWT version of the layout manager exists
>>>>>> http://ffxml.net/swtforms.html so the effort is really one of
>>>>>> maintenance/bug fixing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Whilst I'm happy with SWT FormLayout, I do see some issues with it
>>>>>> that JGoodies addresses - ie the lack of platform independent
>>>>>> units that SWTForms does have (dialog units) to ensure widgets are
>>>>>> spaced/laid with the appropriate proportional widths/heights etc...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>> Grant

Re: JGoodies Form layout / SWTForms? [message #48970 is a reply to message #48908]

Wed, 06 February 2008 04:20

Eclipse User

Seems like a good idea - perhaps wait till we open the sub-project and
get a start on at least porting the most recent version of JGoodies and
then seek his involvement?

Either way, you have my interest in supporting the project.

Regards,
Grant

Matthew Hall wrote:
> This might be a good opportunity to reach out to Karsten Lentzsch (the
> JGoodies guy) for his participation. Some time ago he offered some
> feedback on layout APIs, and offered to port his own FormLayout to SWT.
> Most of his bugs were marked wontfix (for valid reasons) which may have
> soured his perception of the Eclipse community.
>
> Notwithstanding, Karsten seems very passionate about UI design and
> usability, and I'll bet he'd give us plenty of help if invited.
>
> Matthew
>
> Matthew Hall wrote:

Re: JGoodies Form layout / SWTForms? [message #57893 is a reply to message #48970]

Wed, 13 August 2008 17:50

Eclipse User

You may want to consider MIG layout which I have found to be quite nice
for SWT layouts.

Grant Slender wrote:
> Seems like a good idea - perhaps wait till we open the sub-project and
> get a start on at least porting the most recent version of JGoodies and
> then seek his involvement?
>
> Either way, you have my interest in supporting the project.
>
> Regards,
> Grant
>
> Matthew Hall wrote:
>> This might be a good opportunity to reach out to Karsten Lentzsch (the
>> JGoodies guy) for his participation. Some time ago he offered some
>> feedback on layout APIs, and offered to port his own FormLayout to
>> SWT. Most of his bugs were marked wontfix (for valid reasons) which
>> may have soured his perception of the Eclipse community.
>>
>> Notwithstanding, Karsten seems very passionate about UI design and
>> usability, and I'll bet he'd give us plenty of help if invited.
>>
>> Matthew
>>
>> Matthew Hall wrote:

Re: JGoodies Form layout / SWTForms? [message #57918 is a reply to message #48970]

Wed, 13 August 2008 17:51

Eclipse User