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How to evaluate Eclipse Papyrus? [message #470262] Fri, 17 July 2009 13:34 Go to next message
Matthias Albert is currently offline Matthias AlbertFriend
Messages: 7
Registered: July 2009
Junior Member
Hi,

I am very interested in the incubating Papyrus project. I have used
several standalone UML tools at work as well as Eclipse for C++ embedded
development.

Since I am missing a Papyrus update site or downloadable features, I
tried to get the Papyrus code from Eclipse und to test it. So far
without success.

Unfortunately, I am only occasionally writing Java code, I have no
experience in plugin development.

I tried to follow http://wiki.eclipse.org/Papyrus_Developer_Guide.

What I did is:

- set up a dedicated workspace

- connected via Subversion to
http://dev.eclipse.org/svnroot/modeling/org.eclipse.mdt.papy rus/

- retrieved the projects via "import team project file":
Papyrus-ALL-pserver.psf. Lots of plugin projects were imported.

- set up a Papyrus update site project with two features:
org.eclipse.papyrus.uml and org.eclipse.papyrus.core

Now I have an unresolved dependency: Bundle
org.eclipse.papyrus.tabbedproperties.uml_0.0.0 failed to resolve.:
Missing required plug-in org.eclipse.emf.eef.runtime_0.0.0.

Can anybody provide some help how to get this missing plugin, please?

Thanks
Matthias
Re: How to evaluate Eclipse Papyrus? [message #470264 is a reply to message #470262] Mon, 20 July 2009 14:10 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Emilien Perico is currently offline Emilien PericoFriend
Messages: 36
Registered: July 2009
Member
Hi Matthias,

My answers below:

Matthias Albert a écrit :
> Hi,
>
> I am very interested in the incubating Papyrus project. I have used
> several standalone UML tools at work as well as Eclipse for C++ embedded
> development.
>
> Since I am missing a Papyrus update site or downloadable features,

It is not yet available but it will be in next few month.
I
> tried to get the Papyrus code from Eclipse und to test it. So far
> without success.
>
> Unfortunately, I am only occasionally writing Java code, I have no
> experience in plugin development.
>
> I tried to follow http://wiki.eclipse.org/Papyrus_Developer_Guide.
>
> What I did is:
>
> - set up a dedicated workspace
>
> - connected via Subversion to
> http://dev.eclipse.org/svnroot/modeling/org.eclipse.mdt.papy rus/
>
> - retrieved the projects via "import team project file":
> Papyrus-ALL-pserver.psf. Lots of plugin projects were imported.
>
> - set up a Papyrus update site project with two features:
> org.eclipse.papyrus.uml and org.eclipse.papyrus.core

You can also run your plugins in a runtime platform:
Run > Run configuration: add a new Eclipse application
>
> Now I have an unresolved dependency: Bundle
> org.eclipse.papyrus.tabbedproperties.uml_0.0.0 failed to resolve.:
> Missing required plug-in org.eclipse.emf.eef.runtime_0.0.0.
>
> Can anybody provide some help how to get this missing plugin, please?

You did the right things. To get this dependency, you need to check out
org.eclipse.emf.eef.runtime in eclipse cvs:
dev.eclipse.org/cvsroot/modeling/org.eclipse.emf/org.eclipse .eef

>
> Thanks
> Matthias
>
Regards,

Emilien
>
Re: How to evaluate Eclipse Papyrus? [message #484954 is a reply to message #470264] Wed, 09 September 2009 21:23 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Dmitry Semikin is currently offline Dmitry SemikinFriend
Messages: 8
Registered: July 2009
Junior Member
Hi, Emilien.

I would like to evaluate eclipse papyrus either. As update site still is
not available, I've tried to build papyrus from source. I've completed the
steps described in previous two posts (including getting source of
...emf.eef.runtime). But automatic build still results in multiple errors
(1304). The most of them are in the org.eclipse.papyrus.def, but some are
in the org.eclipse.papyrus.diagram.statemachine and
org.eclipse.papyrus.tabbedproperties.uml I tried to run eclipse
application configuration, but it crashes, when I just start working with
class diagram (create class and try to do something with it - I can give
more details, if needed).

Please, tell me if I miss something in building papyrus, as I'm not too
familiar with java development at all and for eclipse in particular.

Thanks in advance.

Dmitry.
Re: How to evaluate Eclipse Papyrus? [message #485001 is a reply to message #484954] Thu, 10 September 2009 08:39 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Emilien Perico is currently offline Emilien PericoFriend
Messages: 36
Registered: July 2009
Member
Hi Dmitry,

Some information:

- org.eclipse.papyrus.def: compilation errors come from the xpand
templates but it doesn't affect Papyrus execution.

- org.eclipse.papyrus.diagram.statemachine: this plugin is still
experimental and contains remaining errors. I advice you to close it for
now because it's not usable yet.

- org.eclipse.papyrus.tabbedproperties.uml: this one need emf.eef plugin
but requires a specific revision of it. We plan to update
tabbedproperties plugin to work with the head of eef sources, a task is
opened for this. You can close the plugin too. You could work with
advanced properties tab to manage element properties.

You should be able to launch Papyrus in an Eclipse runtime and create
some diagrams.

Regards,

Emilien

Dmitry Semikin a écrit :
> Hi, Emilien.
>
> I would like to evaluate eclipse papyrus either. As update site still is
> not available, I've tried to build papyrus from source. I've completed
> the steps described in previous two posts (including getting source of
> ..emf.eef.runtime). But automatic build still results in multiple errors
> (1304). The most of them are in the org.eclipse.papyrus.def, but some
> are in the org.eclipse.papyrus.diagram.statemachine and
> org.eclipse.papyrus.tabbedproperties.uml I tried to run eclipse
> application configuration, but it crashes, when I just start working
> with class diagram (create class and try to do something with it - I can
> give more details, if needed).
>
> Please, tell me if I miss something in building papyrus, as I'm not too
> familiar with java development at all and for eclipse in particular.
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Dmitry.
>
Re: How to evaluate Eclipse Papyrus? [message #485177 is a reply to message #485001] Thu, 10 September 2009 17:23 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Dmitry Semikin is currently offline Dmitry SemikinFriend
Messages: 8
Registered: July 2009
Junior Member
The application crashes when I hover (even not click) "navigate..." option
in the pop-up menu on any element of diagram... is it ok? (just in case: I
work in Ubuntu 9.10 with open jdk)
Re: How to evaluate Eclipse Papyrus? [message #495424 is a reply to message #470262] Wed, 04 November 2009 18:59 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Werner Keil is currently offline Werner KeilFriend
Messages: 1085
Registered: July 2009
Senior Member
Hi,

I also found Papyrus during ESE and gave it a try recently.
We use StarUML in a very large model dominated project with significant BOM
(UML) model size and special requirements like translating model items
betwen languages.

While some features look good even compared to StarUML, I found the diagram
part still needs improvement (as of 1.12 version)
StarUML has problems when items are inserted into one diagram and cannot
automatically update others, but Papyrus I found so far completely unable to
do this.

If properties or other items are added in the model browser, no diagram
shows them. and if you add stuff in diagram A, the browser's updated, but
never any other diagram.
This applies to all attributes including links or relations between objects.

Is this a known problem, or should I file a Bugzilla issue?

Thanks,
Werner
Re: How to evaluate Eclipse Papyrus? [message #495746 is a reply to message #495424] Thu, 05 November 2009 21:30 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Raphael Faudou is currently offline Raphael FaudouFriend
Messages: 105
Registered: July 2009
Senior Member
Hi Werner,

There is confusion between two different tools once again : Papyrus 1,
that was developped by the CEA team and Eclipse MDT papyrus, which is a
recent component hosted by the Eclipse foundation to provide a fully
usable modeling tool including full UML and SysML implementations. This
tool merges experiences from three projects : Papyrus 1, TOPCASED UML,
and Moskitt.

This mailing list concerns the new papyrus, which is planned to be
delivered for 0.7.0 release on next Helios train.
You can find all information here : http://wiki.eclipse.org/MDT/Papyrus
regards
raphaël

Werner Keil a écrit :
> Hi,
>
> I also found Papyrus during ESE and gave it a try recently.
> We use StarUML in a very large model dominated project with significant
> BOM (UML) model size and special requirements like translating model
> items betwen languages.
>
> While some features look good even compared to StarUML, I found the
> diagram part still needs improvement (as of 1.12 version)
> StarUML has problems when items are inserted into one diagram and cannot
> automatically update others, but Papyrus I found so far completely
> unable to do this.
>
> If properties or other items are added in the model browser, no diagram
> shows them. and if you add stuff in diagram A, the browser's updated,
> but never any other diagram.
> This applies to all attributes including links or relations between
> objects.
>
> Is this a known problem, or should I file a Bugzilla issue?
>
> Thanks,
> Werner
Re: How to evaluate Eclipse Papyrus? [message #496000 is a reply to message #495746] Fri, 06 November 2009 23:15 Go to previous message
Werner Keil is currently offline Werner KeilFriend
Messages: 1085
Registered: July 2009
Senior Member
Hi Raphaël,

Thanks a lot for the update. Since potential replacement of StarUML by our
Business Object Modeling team may certainly wait until then I guess we could
keep an eye on it as part of the Helios release train.

Werner
Re: How to evaluate Eclipse Papyrus? [message #586568 is a reply to message #470262] Mon, 20 July 2009 14:10 Go to previous message
Emilien Perico is currently offline Emilien PericoFriend
Messages: 36
Registered: July 2009
Member
Hi Matthias,

My answers below:

Matthias Albert a écrit :
> Hi,
>
> I am very interested in the incubating Papyrus project. I have used
> several standalone UML tools at work as well as Eclipse for C++ embedded
> development.
>
> Since I am missing a Papyrus update site or downloadable features,

It is not yet available but it will be in next few month.
I
> tried to get the Papyrus code from Eclipse und to test it. So far
> without success.
>
> Unfortunately, I am only occasionally writing Java code, I have no
> experience in plugin development.
>
> I tried to follow http://wiki.eclipse.org/Papyrus_Developer_Guide
>
> What I did is:
>
> - set up a dedicated workspace
>
> - connected via Subversion to
> http://dev.eclipse.org/svnroot/modeling/org.eclipse.mdt.papy rus/
>
> - retrieved the projects via "import team project file":
> Papyrus-ALL-pserver.psf. Lots of plugin projects were imported.
>
> - set up a Papyrus update site project with two features:
> org.eclipse.papyrus.uml and org.eclipse.papyrus.core

You can also run your plugins in a runtime platform:
Run > Run configuration: add a new Eclipse application
>
> Now I have an unresolved dependency: Bundle
> org.eclipse.papyrus.tabbedproperties.uml_0.0.0 failed to resolve.:
> Missing required plug-in org.eclipse.emf.eef.runtime_0.0.0.
>
> Can anybody provide some help how to get this missing plugin, please?

You did the right things. To get this dependency, you need to check out
org.eclipse.emf.eef.runtime in eclipse cvs:
dev.eclipse.org/cvsroot/modeling/org.eclipse.emf/org.eclipse .eef

>
> Thanks
> Matthias
>
Regards,

Emilien
>
Re: How to evaluate Eclipse Papyrus? [message #590913 is a reply to message #470264] Wed, 09 September 2009 21:23 Go to previous message
Dmitry Semikin is currently offline Dmitry SemikinFriend
Messages: 8
Registered: July 2009
Junior Member
Hi, Emilien.

I would like to evaluate eclipse papyrus either. As update site still is
not available, I've tried to build papyrus from source. I've completed the
steps described in previous two posts (including getting source of
...emf.eef.runtime). But automatic build still results in multiple errors
(1304). The most of them are in the org.eclipse.papyrus.def, but some are
in the org.eclipse.papyrus.diagram.statemachine and
org.eclipse.papyrus.tabbedproperties.uml I tried to run eclipse
application configuration, but it crashes, when I just start working with
class diagram (create class and try to do something with it - I can give
more details, if needed).

Please, tell me if I miss something in building papyrus, as I'm not too
familiar with java development at all and for eclipse in particular.

Thanks in advance.

Dmitry.
Re: How to evaluate Eclipse Papyrus? [message #590924 is a reply to message #484954] Thu, 10 September 2009 08:39 Go to previous message
Emilien Perico is currently offline Emilien PericoFriend
Messages: 36
Registered: July 2009
Member
Hi Dmitry,

Some information:

- org.eclipse.papyrus.def: compilation errors come from the xpand
templates but it doesn't affect Papyrus execution.

- org.eclipse.papyrus.diagram.statemachine: this plugin is still
experimental and contains remaining errors. I advice you to close it for
now because it's not usable yet.

- org.eclipse.papyrus.tabbedproperties.uml: this one need emf.eef plugin
but requires a specific revision of it. We plan to update
tabbedproperties plugin to work with the head of eef sources, a task is
opened for this. You can close the plugin too. You could work with
advanced properties tab to manage element properties.

You should be able to launch Papyrus in an Eclipse runtime and create
some diagrams.

Regards,

Emilien

Dmitry Semikin a écrit :
> Hi, Emilien.
>
> I would like to evaluate eclipse papyrus either. As update site still is
> not available, I've tried to build papyrus from source. I've completed
> the steps described in previous two posts (including getting source of
> ..emf.eef.runtime). But automatic build still results in multiple errors
> (1304). The most of them are in the org.eclipse.papyrus.def, but some
> are in the org.eclipse.papyrus.diagram.statemachine and
> org.eclipse.papyrus.tabbedproperties.uml I tried to run eclipse
> application configuration, but it crashes, when I just start working
> with class diagram (create class and try to do something with it - I can
> give more details, if needed).
>
> Please, tell me if I miss something in building papyrus, as I'm not too
> familiar with java development at all and for eclipse in particular.
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Dmitry.
>
Re: How to evaluate Eclipse Papyrus? [message #590936 is a reply to message #485001] Thu, 10 September 2009 17:23 Go to previous message
Dmitry Semikin is currently offline Dmitry SemikinFriend
Messages: 8
Registered: July 2009
Junior Member
The application crashes when I hover (even not click) "navigate..." option
in the pop-up menu on any element of diagram... is it ok? (just in case: I
work in Ubuntu 9.10 with open jdk)
Re: How to evaluate Eclipse Papyrus? [message #594952 is a reply to message #470262] Wed, 04 November 2009 18:59 Go to previous message
Werner Keil is currently offline Werner KeilFriend
Messages: 1085
Registered: July 2009
Senior Member
Hi,

I also found Papyrus during ESE and gave it a try recently.
We use StarUML in a very large model dominated project with significant BOM
(UML) model size and special requirements like translating model items
betwen languages.

While some features look good even compared to StarUML, I found the diagram
part still needs improvement (as of 1.12 version)
StarUML has problems when items are inserted into one diagram and cannot
automatically update others, but Papyrus I found so far completely unable to
do this.

If properties or other items are added in the model browser, no diagram
shows them. and if you add stuff in diagram A, the browser's updated, but
never any other diagram.
This applies to all attributes including links or relations between objects.

Is this a known problem, or should I file a Bugzilla issue?

Thanks,
Werner
Re: How to evaluate Eclipse Papyrus? [message #594958 is a reply to message #495424] Thu, 05 November 2009 21:30 Go to previous message
Raphael Faudou is currently offline Raphael FaudouFriend
Messages: 105
Registered: July 2009
Senior Member
Hi Werner,

There is confusion between two different tools once again : Papyrus 1,
that was developped by the CEA team and Eclipse MDT papyrus, which is a
recent component hosted by the Eclipse foundation to provide a fully
usable modeling tool including full UML and SysML implementations. This
tool merges experiences from three projects : Papyrus 1, TOPCASED UML,
and Moskitt.

This mailing list concerns the new papyrus, which is planned to be
delivered for 0.7.0 release on next Helios train.
You can find all information here : http://wiki.eclipse.org/MDT/Papyrus
regards
raphaël

Werner Keil a écrit :
> Hi,
>
> I also found Papyrus during ESE and gave it a try recently.
> We use StarUML in a very large model dominated project with significant
> BOM (UML) model size and special requirements like translating model
> items betwen languages.
>
> While some features look good even compared to StarUML, I found the
> diagram part still needs improvement (as of 1.12 version)
> StarUML has problems when items are inserted into one diagram and cannot
> automatically update others, but Papyrus I found so far completely
> unable to do this.
>
> If properties or other items are added in the model browser, no diagram
> shows them. and if you add stuff in diagram A, the browser's updated,
> but never any other diagram.
> This applies to all attributes including links or relations between
> objects.
>
> Is this a known problem, or should I file a Bugzilla issue?
>
> Thanks,
> Werner
Re: How to evaluate Eclipse Papyrus? [message #594963 is a reply to message #495746] Fri, 06 November 2009 23:15 Go to previous message
Werner Keil is currently offline Werner KeilFriend
Messages: 1085
Registered: July 2009
Senior Member
Hi Raphaël,

Thanks a lot for the update. Since potential replacement of StarUML by our
Business Object Modeling team may certainly wait until then I guess we could
keep an eye on it as part of the Helios release train.

Werner
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