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Sun is bashing Eclipse contributors! [message #459022]

Thu, 28 July 2005 12:20

Eclipse User

Originally posted by: nospam.eclipse.org

Look at this - Sun is bashing anyone who contributes to the Eclipse
project!

http://weblogs.java.net/blog/kirillcool/archive/2005/07/ecli pse_the_mil.html

Re: Sun is bashing Eclipse contributors! [message #459030 is a reply to message #459022]

Thu, 28 July 2005 18:34

Eclipse User

What is important is not what they are thinking of!
Java at current level is nothing but a bunch of junky technology.
I don't see many real *commercial* applications developed in Java!
It's because those people don't understand or inability to make
things work. They are just execusing their inability!

Unless GUI technology that give commercial developers right packages,
Java is hopeless. Currently, SWT is the only look-promissing one. I can see
some quality concerned organizations switching to SWT (from crap Swing)!

As long as it can meet the quality standards, who develops
and how it is developed don't matter. I regret that Microsoft
pulled out from Java. MS could been the savior of Java.

Cheers.

"Phlogistic" <nospam@eclipse.org> wrote in message
news:9cb9791d54ff7171af050738a8ce8409$1@www.eclipse.org...
> Look at this - Sun is bashing anyone who contributes to the Eclipse
> project!
>
> http://weblogs.java.net/blog/kirillcool/archive/2005/07/ecli pse_the_mil.html
>
>

Re: Sun is bashing Eclipse contributors! [message #459031 is a reply to message #459030]

Thu, 28 July 2005 19:20

Eclipse User

Joe Smith wrote:
> What is important is not what they are thinking of!
> Java at current level is nothing but a bunch of junky technology.
> I don't see many real *commercial* applications developed in Java!
> It's because those people don't understand or inability to make
> things work. They are just execusing their inability!
>
> Unless GUI technology that give commercial developers right packages,
> Java is hopeless. Currently, SWT is the only look-promissing one. I can see
> some quality concerned organizations switching to SWT (from crap Swing)!
>
> As long as it can meet the quality standards, who develops
> and how it is developed don't matter. I regret that Microsoft
> pulled out from Java. MS could been the savior of Java.
>
> Cheers.
>
>
>
> "Phlogistic" <nospam@eclipse.org> wrote in message
> news:9cb9791d54ff7171af050738a8ce8409$1@www.eclipse.org...
>> Look at this - Sun is bashing anyone who contributes to the Eclipse
>> project!
>>
>> http://weblogs.java.net/blog/kirillcool/archive/2005/07/ecli pse_the_mil.html
>>
>>
>
>

All you have to do is to look for better non-Sun layout managers and
LAF's and know how to thread these GUI processes.

Example. http://www.jgoodies.com/

I use them and they work out quite nicely. Have a different screenshots
at my website for free and pro versions of JHackerAppManager. It also
can use non-Sun LAF's. Just takes a little imagination.

--

Thanks in Advance...
IchBin, Pocono Lake, Pa, USA http://weconsultants.servebeer.com
____________________________________________________________ ______________

' If there is one, Knowledge is the "Fountain of Youth"'
-William E. Taylor, Regular Guy (1952-)

Re: Sun is bashing Eclipse contributors! [message #459063 is a reply to message #459022]

Fri, 29 July 2005 15:37

Eclipse User

Phlogistic wrote:
> Look at this - Sun is bashing anyone who contributes to the Eclipse
> project!
>
> http://weblogs.java.net/blog/kirillcool/archive/2005/07/ecli pse_the_mil.html
>

Are you sure you posted the right link? All he says is that IBM wants to
get the money back they put into Eclipse like Sun wants to get the
money back they put into NetBeans.

Re: Sun is bashing Eclipse contributors! [message #459068 is a reply to message #459031]

Sat, 30 July 2005 09:44

Eclipse User

"IchBin" <weconsul@ptd.net> wrote in message
news:dcbp7s$8ak$1@news.eclipse.org...
>

Here's a crucial question;
Have you commercially successful with casual Windows users with the GUI?
No more Swing please. I am dizzy now. I've been swining over 8 years!

Best regards.

>
> All you have to do is to look for better non-Sun layout managers and LAF's
> and know how to thread these GUI processes.
>
> Example. http://www.jgoodies.com/
>
> I use them and they work out quite nicely. Have a different screenshots at
> my website for free and pro versions of JHackerAppManager. It also can use
> non-Sun LAF's. Just takes a little imagination.
>
> --
>
> Thanks in Advance...
> IchBin, Pocono Lake, Pa, USA http://weconsultants.servebeer.com
> ____________________________________________________________ ______________
>
> ' If there is one, Knowledge is the "Fountain of Youth"'
> -William E. Taylor, Regular Guy (1952-)

Re: Sun is bashing Eclipse contributors! [message #459069 is a reply to message #459068]

Sat, 30 July 2005 21:10

Eclipse User

Joe Smith wrote:
> "IchBin" <weconsul@ptd.net> wrote in message
> news:dcbp7s$8ak$1@news.eclipse.org...
>
> Here's a crucial question;
> Have you commercially successful with casual Windows users with the GUI?
> No more Swing please. I am dizzy now. I've been swining over 8 years!
>
> Best regards.
>
>
>> All you have to do is to look for better non-Sun layout managers and LAF's
>> and know how to thread these GUI processes.
>>
>> Example. http://www.jgoodies.com/
>>
>> I use them and they work out quite nicely. Have a different screenshots at
>> my website for free and pro versions of JHackerAppManager. It also can use
>> non-Sun LAF's. Just takes a little imagination.
>>
>> --
>>
>> Thanks in Advance...
>> IchBin, Pocono Lake, Pa, USA http://weconsultants.servebeer.com
>> ____________________________________________________________ ______________
>>
>> ' If there is one, Knowledge is the "Fountain of Youth"'
>> -William E. Taylor, Regular Guy (1952-)
>
>
Sorry Joe, when you are tired you are tired. I feel your pain. Something
new will give you a different direction.

--

Thanks in Advance...
IchBin, Pocono Lake, Pa, USA http://weconsultants.servebeer.com
____________________________________________________________ ______________

' If there is one, Knowledge is the "Fountain of Youth"'
-William E. Taylor, Regular Guy (1952-)

Re: Sun is bashing Eclipse contributors! [message #459070 is a reply to message #459030]

Sun, 31 July 2005 12:05

Eclipse User

(Posting the first time in here, hope it'll work . . .)

> Unless GUI technology that give commercial developers right packages,
> Java is hopeless. Currently, SWT is the only look-promissing one. I can
> see
> some quality concerned organizations switching to SWT (from crap Swing)!

So true. While I have always enjoyed to write programs in the Java language,
which I find way more pleasant than C++, Swing never gave me the feeling to
do something ``real." I'm currently learning SWT and JFace, hoping to be
able to benefit both from Java and native UI widgets. SWT seems heaven-sent
to me, and I hope it'll replace the good ole AWT forever. I'm deeply
impressed by how beautiful Eclipse has become.

Ph.

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