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[IBM CONTRIB] - Request for Usability Reports [message #45059]

Thu, 23 September 2004 12:18

Eclipse User

Originally posted by: ilias.lazaridis.com

Can someone who has used the initial contribution of IBM tell me, how
usable it is?

I mean:
- can i simply install it
- can i quickly start to be productive with it

or should i better wait and use some other tools for now.

Thanks for any information.

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Re: [IBM CONTRIB] - Request for Usability Reports [message #45072 is a reply to message #45059]

Thu, 23 September 2004 14:09

Eclipse User

Originally posted by: davegabol.eircom.net

Hi,

I had no trouble installing it by following the "getting started" guide. I
think I remember that one of the files you had to unzip separately wasn't
where it was supposed to be, and I had to track it down somewhere in the
distribution. But otherwise, no problems.

As for usability, things have been a bit frantic personally since I
downloaded the distro. So I haven't had time to play.

Dave.

"ilias" <ilias@lazaridis.com> wrote in message
news:ciusns$9hm$5@eclipse.org...
> Can someone who has used the initial contribution of IBM tell me, how
> usable it is?
>
> I mean:
> - can i simply install it
> - can i quickly start to be productive with it
>
> or should i better wait and use some other tools for now.
>
> Thanks for any information.
>
> .
>
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Re: [IBM CONTRIB] - Request for Usability Reports [message #45105 is a reply to message #45059]

Thu, 23 September 2004 15:55

Eclipse User

Am Thu, 23 Sep 2004 19:18:14 +0300 hat ilias <ilias@lazaridis.com>
geschrieben:

> Can someone who has used the initial contribution of IBM tell me, how
> usable it is?
>
> I mean:
> - can i simply install it
> - can i quickly start to be productive with it
>
> or should i better wait and use some other tools for now.
>
> Thanks for any information.

1) Yes, it is very simple - just follow download/install instructions 1:1.

2) Yes, if you can live with:

1. Very very large memory consumption/memory leaks - I'm trying to work
with 512 MB without success, only 1 Gig can help. Especially often
copy/paste/replace operations are very costly.
2. Very high CPU requirements - under 2000 MHz is sleeping / cafee
drinking time.
3. No bugfixing/support at all.
4. Unable to resolve custom tag libraries/included jsp fragments/etc.
5. Your jsp fragments should have *.jspf names (notice 'f' at end). If I
say 'should', I mean 'must' ;)
6. format/identation only with tabs
.... and many other bugs ...

But I'm working daily with it and I'm happy - cause of
1. *Very* good jsp parser engine which is working without any
configuration on any jsp file
2. Very good java/html/js online help via <ctrl> + <space>
3. Rock stable (but with very big memory leaks) xml/jsp/html/js editors.
4. 'TODO' support in jsp's
.... and many other features ... for free ...

AND - I have tryed Lomboz/MyEclipse - WDT from IBM beat them all in
simplicity/quality.

Kind regards,
Andrei

Re: [IBM CONTRIB] - Request for Usability Reports [message #45167 is a reply to message #45059]

Fri, 24 September 2004 11:28

Eclipse User

Originally posted by: rajbsaini.yahoo.com

ilias wrote:
> Can someone who has used the initial contribution of IBM tell me, how
> usable it is?
>
> I mean:
> - can i simply install it
> - can i quickly start to be productive with it
>
> or should i better wait and use some other tools for now.
>
> Thanks for any information.

I had installed it and have been using for a week.

XML editor is very good and have source and design mode which is very useful

I have not played much with JSP editor, but it is also usable.

If you develop on Tomcat, this is only server currently supported.
Tomcat is automatically, started/stoped and ur application is opened
automatically inside the internal or external browser.

J2EE Project explorer is nice. But there are not many option to have
flexible project structure.

J2EE prespective does not open at all as there are is a bug.

I could not explore the Data tools as it does not support PostgreSQL
which I use for development.

I dont see high memory usage. On a Machine with Celron 1.7 Gz, 512 MB
RAM it was usable.

Raj

>
> .
>

Re: [IBM CONTRIB] - Request for Usability Reports [message #45491 is a reply to message #45059]

Sat, 25 September 2004 14:33

Eclipse User

Originally posted by: ilias.lazaridis.com

ilias wrote:

> Can someone who has used the initial contribution of IBM tell me, how
> usable it is?
>
> I mean:
> - can i simply install it
> - can i quickly start to be productive with it

Thanks all for the reports.

They gave me the relevant information.

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Re: [IBM CONTRIB] - Request for Usability Reports [message #45546 is a reply to message #45105]

Sat, 25 September 2004 16:38

Eclipse User

Originally posted by: rsk.email.arizona.edu

Andrei,
MyEclipse integrated the WTP editors since 3.8.0, with 3.8.2 due out
Sunday night I would encourage you to give it another try. There are
literally hundreds of bug fixes against the WTP editors and
optimizations all around that will make 3.8.2 an incredibly solid release.

Best,
Riyad

Andrei Loskutov wrote:
> Am Thu, 23 Sep 2004 19:18:14 +0300 hat ilias <ilias@lazaridis.com>
> geschrieben:
>
>> Can someone who has used the initial contribution of IBM tell me, how
>> usable it is?
>>
>> I mean:
>> - can i simply install it
>> - can i quickly start to be productive with it
>>
>> or should i better wait and use some other tools for now.
>>
>> Thanks for any information.
>
>
> 1) Yes, it is very simple - just follow download/install instructions 1:1.
>
> 2) Yes, if you can live with:
>
> 1. Very very large memory consumption/memory leaks - I'm trying to work
> with 512 MB without success, only 1 Gig can help. Especially often
> copy/paste/replace operations are very costly.
> 2. Very high CPU requirements - under 2000 MHz is sleeping / cafee
> drinking time.
> 3. No bugfixing/support at all.
> 4. Unable to resolve custom tag libraries/included jsp fragments/etc.
> 5. Your jsp fragments should have *.jspf names (notice 'f' at end). If
> I say 'should', I mean 'must' ;)
> 6. format/identation only with tabs
> ... and many other bugs ...
>
> But I'm working daily with it and I'm happy - cause of
> 1. *Very* good jsp parser engine which is working without any
> configuration on any jsp file
> 2. Very good java/html/js online help via <ctrl> + <space>
> 3. Rock stable (but with very big memory leaks) xml/jsp/html/js editors.
> 4. 'TODO' support in jsp's
> ... and many other features ... for free ...
>
> AND - I have tryed Lomboz/MyEclipse - WDT from IBM beat them all in
> simplicity/quality.
>
> Kind regards,
> Andrei
>
>

Re: [IBM CONTRIB] - Request for Usability Reports [message #45576 is a reply to message #45546]

Sat, 25 September 2004 16:53

Eclipse User

Originally posted by: ilias.lazaridis.com

Riyad Kalla wrote:

> Andrei,
> MyEclipse integrated the WTP editors since 3.8.0, with 3.8.2 due out
> Sunday night I would encourage you to give it another try. There are
> literally hundreds of bug fixes against the WTP editors and
> optimizations all around that will make 3.8.2 an incredibly solid release.

I would suggest to ignore this commercial product (MyEclipse), until WTP
is fixed by the core team.

further details:

HTML WYSIWYG tool
http://www.eclipse.org/newsportal/article.php?id=1310&gr oup=eclipse.webtools

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